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Microsoft On List of Most Ethical Companies

walterbyrd writes "Microsoft is among the world's most ethical companies, according to a list put together by the Ethisphere Institute in New York. Overall, 110 companies made the prestigious list, including Microsoft and 35 other newcomers. The complete list was reported by Forbes."

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  1. "Most" doesn't mean "very". by Eric+S.+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The bar, after all, is so low.

    1. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Holy shit... Accenture, eBay, NYSE, Symantec...

      Even among large companies, you can find much, much better ones.

      The list lacks Google too -- they have evil sides too, but they are at least trying, unlike most.

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    2. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Kinda like having a "Most Delicious Feces" competition.

    3. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the whole OOXML thing was unethical. Buying off members of a standards body.

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    4. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Symantec? REALLY? At least microsoft actually improves their product from version to version; Symantec looks for ways to make it break worse, and then spends 80% of their budget on marketing to convince every mom and pop that they need Norton, despite the fact that it is consistently one of the WORST pieces of software to install on a computer.

    5. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was just wondering about that too, if Google wasn't nominated, or just didn't make the cut

      Google had "significant" legal action against them in the past 5 years. They nixed their chances by accidentally capturing WiFi data while riding around in their privacy-violating google vans.

      And they probably didn't donate enough to *cough* sufficiently worthy causes (such as the organization making the list)

    6. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by dch24 · · Score: 5, Informative

      bribery, hidden agendas, employee abuse, poor environmental practices

      Did you even try googling any of those? Perhaps you've been so poorly bribed that, abused by Microsoft though you may be, your hidden agenda is to astroturf on tech news sites, polluting them?

      Bribery:

      Hidden Agendas

      Employee Abuse

      Poor Environmental Practices
      Did you mean to suggest Microsoft is a hardware company?

      Or can we count all the useless trash they have pushed out the door, forcing users to reformat their machines as soon as they buy them so they can downgrade to a decent OS, Vista ending up straight in the landfill?

    7. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More than that, having known people who have worked there, it looks to me like Symantec's modus operandi is to buy companies with successful products, lay off all the staff working on the products, force people to train their replacements at an outsourcing firm in India, and provide the absolute minimum amount of support required in order to fulfill their contractual obligations without getting sued, all while progressively breaking the product with every release through poorly tested updates.

      Ethical? Does ethical mean "will sell their customers' and employees' souls for a dollar?" If so, then they're ethical. If Symantec is one of the most ethical companies on the planet, then I'm Mother Teresa.

      And eBay? The company that took the better part of a decade of complaints before they fixed the problem of power sellers abusing the feedback system to pressure buyers to retract negative feedback? The company whose PayPal arm routinely makes decisions about who to allow to use their service based on politics or even random whims, and freezes people's accounts without warning, leaving small businesses on the hook for thousands of dollars in payments that they can no longer afford?

      If eBay is one of the most ethical companies on Earth, I'm the second coming of Jesus Christ.

      Did the people who wrote this story even do the slightest bit of research beyond reading the corporations' PR blurbs when deciding who to list? Seriously?

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    8. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by slashqwerty · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not surprisingly there are a lot of negative comments here, but to play devil's advocate: what practices of Microsoft's are really unethical?

      1. Lying to IBM about having an OS ready. Bill Gates later bragged about this in his 1995 book.
      2. Setting up contracts with vendors that required them to buy Windows licenses for every machine they sell even if the machine did not come with Windows.

        Making their apps use hidden APIs that worked while leaving competing products to use published APIs that were buggy.
      3. Using a fabricated video during the anti-trust trial to make it look like IE could not be removed from the OS.
      4. Bribing other companies to join a standards body and push their complex, unvetted standard through.
      5. 'Donating' to a bunch of Attorneys General campaings which were then followed up with generous settlement offers after the states had already won their case.
      6. 'Donating' $100,000 to the George W. Bush inaugural party which was followed up with a generous settlement offer after the DOJ had already won their case.
      7. Spreading Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) about the competition has long been a standard Microsoft business practice.
      8. Paying SCO some $50 million dollars through foreign back channels (BayStar) while SCO was spreading FUD about Linux.

      Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many, many more.

    9. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe they buy really soft toilet paper.

      Indeed. Deep in the heart of Africa, there is a tree which grows only on a few square miles of land. This tree provides habitats for several species of endangered birds and primates. It's fruit provides for the well-being of a small primitive village. And its pith makes for the finest toilet paper on Earth. So Microsoft has purchased the grove in its entirety and is chopping it down for the well-being of executive rear end.

    10. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what is the criteria for being 'ethical'?

      Not getting caught.

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    11. Re:"Most" doesn't mean "very". by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is quite a pathetic list. Cashback programs are bribery? Better not tell the DoJ, or every credit card company on Earth is going to be in deep shit.

      "Microsoft buys patents". Seriously. Buying things is now unethical is the fevered minds of the MS-haters.

      MS adds support for PDF. This is bad because it helps MS Office compete against Open Office. And God knows, trying to compete against FOSS isn't just unethical, it's a crime against humanity!

      The CEO gets angry and throws a chair. Ergo, MS routinely abuses their employees. This is logical your mind? I doubt even you believe this one.

      Christ man, the ONLY thing on that list that's really unethical is their corruption of the OOXML standards process. Next time, just leave it at that. Posting all that other stuff just makes you look like you're grasping at straws.

  2. Godwin agrees by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't worry, Hitler received many similar awards too,

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  3. Clearly by mmmmbeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Clearly this is a different meaning of the word "Ethical" than I'm familiar with.

    1. Re:Clearly by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Clearly this is a different meaning of the word "Ethical" than I'm familiar with.

      Yes. This is "ethical" in the same sense as the word "standard" is used to describe OOXML.

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  4. Coincidence by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was attributing this to Forbes malice, then i noted the message at the bottom of the slashdot page: Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

  5. Must have cost.... by engineerofsorts · · Score: 5, Funny

    Must have cost a lot in bribes for M$ to get on the most-ethical list.

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  6. Sure, they're ethical by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    You have to be when you are reporting in to your parole officer weekly.

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  7. No, co's that most WANT you to think them Ethical by mysidia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's a difference.

    Nearly 3,000 companies were nominated--or nominated themselves--to be considered this year. The record-high number of nominations and applications demonstrates companies' desire to be acknowledged for high ethical standards.

    See... companies nominate themselves... I wonder how much money under the table to the think tanks or people paid off it takes to be listed as most ethical? Is it as many as it takes to get OOXML a rubber stamp as an "open" standard?

    Ethisphere reviewed nominations from companies in more than 100 countries and 36 industries. Ethisphere's proprietary rating system, which it calls the Ethics Quotient, is based on a series of multiple-choice questions in a survey that is designed to capture a company's performance in an objective and standardized way.

    Ah, it's proprietary. That means first and foremost "We won't tell the specifics of how this was determined" That's what proprietary means, right? The exact details are secret, and therefore magically valid?

    The winnowing process includes reviewing codes of ethics and litigation and regulatory infraction histories

    Because unethical companies always have successful litigation/regulatory infractions against them, and ethical ones don't? There's no such thing as a regulatory agency being in bed with a corp. Judges are never corrupt. What's unethical is never legal and always breaks regulations, and what's ethical is always legal and never breaks regulations?

    evaluating investment in innovation and sustainable business practices

    Because innovative companies are automatically ethical and companies with "unsustainable" business practices are automatically unethical?

    Any company that has had significant legal trouble over the past five years is dropped.

    Because getting billion dollar fines in 2008 and being found liable for patent infringement is not significant legal troubles?

    Companies that focus on alcohol, tobacco or firearms also get the boot.

    Because it's arbitrarily declared unethical for Alcohol, Tobacco, or Firearms, to exist, or what? That alone totally undermines Ethisphere credibility.

    Firearms are essential for the preservation of human life.

    So is Alcohol.. first of all Alcohol is one of the first antiseptics humans made, has important medical scientific uses; has spurred many innovations. The product is not a bad one, and also, many "green fuel" producers are Alcohol companies (also referred to as Ethanol)

  8. Forbes doesn't do ethical by SecurityGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was a subscriber for a while, until they sent me a renewal notice written to look like a collections notice. A prior orkplace used to routinely be named on a "Best Places to Work" list (not by Forbes, though) to the collective dismay of all who worked there. These sorts of lists don't mean what you think they mean, unless you think they don't mean anything.

  9. Ethical. You keep using that word... by dido · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I do not think it means what you think it means. For a convicted monopolist with a track record of betraying their partners, subverting governments and standards bodies, and all around ruthless behavior to make the list, I wonder if the word 'ethical' means something to them other than what my dictionary says it does. Oddly enough Google, with their 'don't be evil' motto, doesn't seem to have made the list. I know they have committed their share of sins over the years, but it seems that what they have done so far does not hold a candle to even what Microsoft has done over the last decade.

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  10. Re:Forbes is very biased. by walterbyrd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To be fair, Forbes did not compile the list. I think the so-called "think tank" is more to blame.

    As I posted on the site: Ethisphere Institute is one of those so-called "think-tanks" that makes up reports to "prove" anything it's sponsors want "proven." Microsoft makes sizable donation to many such "think-tanks" and all of those "think-tanks" are Microsoft friendly - what a surprise. Just one of the many super ethical things that MS does for us.

  11. This isn't a high appraisal of Microsoft by Reed+Solomon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a low appraisal of EVERYONE ELSE.

    Really though, Microsoft generally doesn't lock down their OS from tinkering (aside from lack of source), and unless windows mobile 7 has changed things you have file manager access and everything in their mobile platform. Android inexplicably doesn't come with a file manager last I checked. Absurd!

    And unlike Sony, they aren't sending cease and desist letters to kinect hackers.

    It is thanks to Microsoft (And IBM) we have the PC after all.

    And they could easily be far worse patent trolls than they currently are.

  12. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the little things that make your post stand out as a shill. You almost had it perfect except for a few sections:

    Microsoft is part of my family

    My stuff works with MS stuff, and I enjoy their offerings.

    I feel pretty educated in the Technology world (note the capitalization)

    I have to say, it was one of the better insidious postings I've seen. Empathizing with the target audience by noting historic controversy, then defending their current direction is a powerful rhetoric device. If you didn't make such over-the-top enthusiastic claims, you might have escaped detection.

    Shill rating: 8.5 out of 10.