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Android Game Devs Worry Over Ease of Copying

The Guardian reports on problems faced by game makers on Android Market. Some independent developers are finding that their games are too easily copied and sold by competitors, and they say Google isn't reacting quickly enough to reports of infringement. Quoting: "One of my customers emailed me three weeks ago, and informed me that another company was selling a version of my app – pirated and uploaded as their own. Of course I contacted Google right away. It took Google two days to take the app down. This publisher was also selling other versions of pirated games. I contacted the original developers of those games but they were still being sold a week later. You'd think [Google] might have a hotline for things like that! I would also note that the publisher selling the pirated games is still trading on the Android Market. They didn't even get their account suspended. ... Why are these accounts still allowed to be trading? It's negligent as far as I'm concerned."

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  1. It's open! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even to piracy.

  2. i wonder by jcombel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    how the person who feels he is being victimized here would feel if his app was instantly removed via a hotline telephone call by someone with a false DMCA claim?

    1. Re:i wonder by Dormann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does this even need a telephone hotline? If a red flag arose when any submitted app was 90% similar to an existing app from another developer, wouldn't the minimal human intervention required from Google eliminate this problem?

    2. Re:i wonder by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What does that have to do with anything? If Google conducts an investigation on the issue and decides to take action, then doesn't it naturally follow that they would ban the developer for his gross misconduct? There doesn't need to be a hotline that would allow anyone to report anyone else and have them instantly barred (nor did the summary suggest such a thing), but if Google goes through an investigative process (which they did here) and determines that the claims have merit (which seems to be the case), then it's their responsibility to handle it appropriately. They didn't.

    3. Re:i wonder by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Platforms can be free for users or free for software authors.

      Apple trades of freedom for users for freedom for software authors. Windows Mobile gave more freedom to users but less to authors. Windows Mobile 7, interestingly moves things more in the direction of Apple. Since I'm a dumb consumer and don't write any software but like to fiddle around I much preferred Windows Mobile with its rampant piracy, modding and hacking scene.

      Of course in the long run platforms which offer more freedom to software authors and less freedom to users will tend to have more software written for them. And that will bring more users - most of whom don't care or even know about "software freedoms". You can see this with Windows and Linux - Windows allowed developers to keep their source code private and make money out of it - i.e. to own it and rent it. Linux encourages (though admittedly doesn't require at least for user mode code) developers to open their source code. That limits what they can charge for it since competitors could undercut them and drive the price to zero.

      It's no coincidence that the least free platforms (for users) - iPhone (compared to Windows Mobile), games consoles (compared to desktop Windows) and Windows (compared to Linux) have more software and are thus more popular than their freer (for users) competition.

      If you want a vision of the future imagine a trusted platform with no unsigned code stamping down on the face of hackers and pirates forever.

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  3. Cry some more by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google, like Apple, have to review the alleged infringement thoroughly before they can decide to take any action. If they don't, they run the risk of removing a legitimate app that was reported by a competitor, or a troll, or for any number of reasons. This is bad for business, and bad for PR. Unfortunately these investigations take their time, and even though you can throw more people into the pool of investigators, the final resolution is never going to be quick enough for app developers who want the infringing app remove IMMEDIATELY as it potentially costs them sales.

    1. Re:Cry some more by GooberToo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. The offending developer needs to have their account terminated. If they are not doing they, seems pretty clearly they are actively encouraging fraud. Likewise, all pending proceeds need to be forwarded to the original developer. Otherwise, it seems Google is knowingly profiting from a crime. After all, they still made their 30% commission. And what about the users who purchased the application? Do they receive refunds; thusly alleviating Google of their legal liabilities? Do they refer these customers to the original developer's application?

  4. Re:File criminal charges by Mr_Plattz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Irrelevant if the 'other party' is based out of communist China who aren't shy to publicly admit they have no appreciation copyright infringements.

  5. plagiarism by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not just copyright infringement. This is plagiarism and misappropriation. Criminals are claiming other's work as their own. And they are capitalizing on this fraudulent claim to take money that should go to the real authors. This is quite different from random persons copying songs. This is actual theft.

    Be careful with the terminology. Big Media likes the conflation of plagiarism and counterfeiting with mere copying. They want to be able to hit someone who snagged a copy of some tune off a P2P service with the same punishment as these software thieves deserve.

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  6. Re:File criminal charges by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This and only this should be what claims of copyright infringement is.

    As others have said, this story is about "plagiarism and misappropriation", ie stealing real sales by selling someone else's software as your own. Copyright infringement doesn't only apply in situations where you feel it's to your own advantage.

    Normal people downloading crap instead of buying them should just be labelled smart people.

    Actually, they're very obviously copyright infringers who are making copies of things without the legal right. It might be "smart" to avoid costs where you can, though if you're breaking the law to do so, it's risky, and seen by many (including myself) as immoral. The record companies are pretty immoral too of course. It's not a black and white decision, but there's nothing particularly noble about infringing copyright.

    For what it's worth, I think of you as just the same type of scum as these guys who are sell other people's software for their own gain. You're saving money by not buying music. You're not getting the same level of financial benefit as these professional pirates, but you still are on the same scale, just at a lower level. I'm not saying you'd buy all of the music/movies/software you download, but presumably if you like any of it enough to keep it, you'd have bought some of that if piracy wasn't an option.

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  7. Re:Wrong, auto-banning is always stupid by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In particular, our infringer with a sick mother could absolutely find an ambulance chaser to sue google for his own lost legit revenue

    Hardly. If he's doing anything illegal with his account, Google are well within their rights to terminate it. It's their private service, they are probably legally allowed to terminate people for any reason, even outside of abuses of the system.

    I don't get your "my mother was sick, so I'm entitled to break the law" bullshit. Real courts might "take it into account", but the guy is still responsible for his own actions. By doing something illegal, he's just increasing the chances his sick mother won't have anyone around to help her when he goes to jail.

    As for "cheating to test the waters" - wtf? I don't understand your reasoning behind any of this. Who the hell even thinks like that? Would you illegally upload someone else's work and charge people for it? If I was wanting to test the waters, I'd write my own app, or read blogs and ask questions to other developers. I certainly wouldn't start off by doing something illegal. If someone is willing to do that, why would they bother to even write their own software later on?

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  8. Re:Wrong, auto-banning is always stupid by mlingojones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Imagine a developer with legit games too who just posted that infringing game because his mother needs an operation.

    That's not an excuse. Like others have said, if you rob a bank to pay for your mother's operation, you still go to jail.

    Imagine two co-developers have falling out, one registers their new game first, reports the second's game as infringing, and gets the second account banned. Imagine a developer reposts another's game because he owns part but got cheated by the official developer. etc.

    Not the right way to get the other developer to respect your IP rights. Complain to Google and get the game taken down, don't just submit it again.

    Second, you don't want to scare away infringing users who might become legitimate non-infringing users and improve the Android market place.

    Yes you do. "Cheating to test the waters" is a cop-out. Some of us write legitimate software to test the waters.

    Third, Google can actually process future infringement claims more efficiently if infringers continue using the same accounts.

    That makes no sense at all.

    What were you saying about morons?

  9. Re:Wrong, auto-banning is always stupid by headkase · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Wow. You really are an idiot in this case. From the examples you gave, are you still in high-school and hijacked or bought a low user id account?

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  10. Re:Wrong, auto-banning is always stupid by mlingojones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As for the "mother's operation" scenario: I doubt Google cares whether someone was trying to pay for their mother's operation or their own drug habit. Nor should they! If I were Google, I would not want infringing content on my store, no matter what the reason. I would feel no qualms about banning someone who tried selling Angry Birds because they needed to pay their mom's medical bills..

    Your whole argument makes no sense. How would punishing infringement ever encourage people to infringe more? How would it "punish the partially or potentially developers much more than the wholesale infringers?" You make a lot of blanket statements, but say absolutely nothing to back them up.

    Google's best move is to get rid of as much infringing content as possible. You could make the case that if an aspect of a game (or even the main subject of the game) is infringing, then Google should be judicious in assessing the situation. For games that are straight-up copies, however — as in, if the game is a straight-up pirated version that's been uploaded as the infringer's original work — then an auto-ban is not at all out of the question.

    And FYI, the reason this is different from Google Video, YouTube, Google Docs, etc, is that here people are making money from infringement. It's a whole different ballgame.