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Android Game Devs Worry Over Ease of Copying

The Guardian reports on problems faced by game makers on Android Market. Some independent developers are finding that their games are too easily copied and sold by competitors, and they say Google isn't reacting quickly enough to reports of infringement. Quoting: "One of my customers emailed me three weeks ago, and informed me that another company was selling a version of my app – pirated and uploaded as their own. Of course I contacted Google right away. It took Google two days to take the app down. This publisher was also selling other versions of pirated games. I contacted the original developers of those games but they were still being sold a week later. You'd think [Google] might have a hotline for things like that! I would also note that the publisher selling the pirated games is still trading on the Android Market. They didn't even get their account suspended. ... Why are these accounts still allowed to be trading? It's negligent as far as I'm concerned."

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  1. i wonder by jcombel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    how the person who feels he is being victimized here would feel if his app was instantly removed via a hotline telephone call by someone with a false DMCA claim?

    1. Re:i wonder by Dormann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does this even need a telephone hotline? If a red flag arose when any submitted app was 90% similar to an existing app from another developer, wouldn't the minimal human intervention required from Google eliminate this problem?

    2. Re:i wonder by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What does that have to do with anything? If Google conducts an investigation on the issue and decides to take action, then doesn't it naturally follow that they would ban the developer for his gross misconduct? There doesn't need to be a hotline that would allow anyone to report anyone else and have them instantly barred (nor did the summary suggest such a thing), but if Google goes through an investigative process (which they did here) and determines that the claims have merit (which seems to be the case), then it's their responsibility to handle it appropriately. They didn't.

  2. Cry some more by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google, like Apple, have to review the alleged infringement thoroughly before they can decide to take any action. If they don't, they run the risk of removing a legitimate app that was reported by a competitor, or a troll, or for any number of reasons. This is bad for business, and bad for PR. Unfortunately these investigations take their time, and even though you can throw more people into the pool of investigators, the final resolution is never going to be quick enough for app developers who want the infringing app remove IMMEDIATELY as it potentially costs them sales.

    1. Re:Cry some more by GooberToo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. The offending developer needs to have their account terminated. If they are not doing they, seems pretty clearly they are actively encouraging fraud. Likewise, all pending proceeds need to be forwarded to the original developer. Otherwise, it seems Google is knowingly profiting from a crime. After all, they still made their 30% commission. And what about the users who purchased the application? Do they receive refunds; thusly alleviating Google of their legal liabilities? Do they refer these customers to the original developer's application?

  3. plagiarism by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not just copyright infringement. This is plagiarism and misappropriation. Criminals are claiming other's work as their own. And they are capitalizing on this fraudulent claim to take money that should go to the real authors. This is quite different from random persons copying songs. This is actual theft.

    Be careful with the terminology. Big Media likes the conflation of plagiarism and counterfeiting with mere copying. They want to be able to hit someone who snagged a copy of some tune off a P2P service with the same punishment as these software thieves deserve.

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    Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
  4. Re:Wrong, auto-banning is always stupid by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In particular, our infringer with a sick mother could absolutely find an ambulance chaser to sue google for his own lost legit revenue

    Hardly. If he's doing anything illegal with his account, Google are well within their rights to terminate it. It's their private service, they are probably legally allowed to terminate people for any reason, even outside of abuses of the system.

    I don't get your "my mother was sick, so I'm entitled to break the law" bullshit. Real courts might "take it into account", but the guy is still responsible for his own actions. By doing something illegal, he's just increasing the chances his sick mother won't have anyone around to help her when he goes to jail.

    As for "cheating to test the waters" - wtf? I don't understand your reasoning behind any of this. Who the hell even thinks like that? Would you illegally upload someone else's work and charge people for it? If I was wanting to test the waters, I'd write my own app, or read blogs and ask questions to other developers. I certainly wouldn't start off by doing something illegal. If someone is willing to do that, why would they bother to even write their own software later on?

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    which is totally what she said
  5. Re:Wrong, auto-banning is always stupid by mlingojones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Imagine a developer with legit games too who just posted that infringing game because his mother needs an operation.

    That's not an excuse. Like others have said, if you rob a bank to pay for your mother's operation, you still go to jail.

    Imagine two co-developers have falling out, one registers their new game first, reports the second's game as infringing, and gets the second account banned. Imagine a developer reposts another's game because he owns part but got cheated by the official developer. etc.

    Not the right way to get the other developer to respect your IP rights. Complain to Google and get the game taken down, don't just submit it again.

    Second, you don't want to scare away infringing users who might become legitimate non-infringing users and improve the Android market place.

    Yes you do. "Cheating to test the waters" is a cop-out. Some of us write legitimate software to test the waters.

    Third, Google can actually process future infringement claims more efficiently if infringers continue using the same accounts.

    That makes no sense at all.

    What were you saying about morons?