From Redmond With Love

theweatherelectric writes "Continuing the tradition, the Internet Explorer team has congratulated Mozilla on shipping Firefox 4. Given the proposed accelerated release reschedule for Firefox, Mozillians may need to watch their diet in future."

Comments

Nobody is completely bad

[Locke2005]

Once again, the IE folk have proven they are the coolest group in Redmond!

Re:Browser wars, yay! (For real.)

[blair1q]

I'd bet the existence of Firefox means there are about 100 more IE devs employed than there would otherwise be.

The cake's a meager kickback.

Re:Rivalry

[PopeRatzo]

Competition between engineers tends to be good humored banter.

Management hates this sort of thing.

Engineering used to be a career where you could make a good living and have a little dignity. More and more it seems, the people at the top would rather it not be that way. They don't like the notion of a sector of the work force that thinks it's almost as good as the guys who provide the capital. That's why most engineers' working conditions are worse today than they were ten years ago, and their purchasing power has declined. Ask someone who's looked for an engineering job recently. A lot of the fun and a surprising amount of the reward have gone out of it.

No matter how well trained, no matter how important you are, how vital your job, you are still just a worker, and as such, you cannot be allowed to get above your station. This is how ownership thinks.

Re:Rivalry

[10101001 10101001]

Wow, ya think so? So you're saying that the people above the engineers actually make more money and benefits than the people they're above? Get outta here *gay hand wave, cheesy smile*.

Just like the NBA, the NFL, etc. Oh, wait.. Yea, it'd almost seem like in some industries it's recognized that just because you're above someone else doesn't inherently mean you should be paid more. It's almost like, oh, experience, importance, and replace-ability also factor into it. For white collar workers, there's plenty of superstars which are pretty irreplaceable with plenty of experience and importance to the future of a department or a whole company. In the mean time, a newly hired manager might very well be rather replaceable even if he's above those superstars.

In short, why should it be presumed that a manager who is paid reasonable well and has the chance to be promoted in the future as he/she builds experience, importance, and proves his/her irreplaceableness should be paid more than his subordinates? Maybe it makes sense in blue collar work (although even there, I'd tend to disagree at times because in some industries the product sold has plenty of profit and the managers are as much or even more replaceable than a trained blue collar worker), but I can't see how one can presume it in white collar work, especially when the boss and subordinate are in different job classifications. Now, if it were one engineer and a subordinate engineer or one manager and a subordinate manager, I can see more room to presume. But, it's still always down to a case-by-case basis.