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Top French Chess Players Suspended For Cheating

cf18 writes "The French chess federation has suspended three top players for violating sporting ethics at a chess olympiad in Siberia last September. The allegation claims while the first member was playing, a second member would watch the game via internet, use software to find the best move, and send it to the third member via SMS. The third member would then sit himself at a particular table in the competition hall. Each table represented an agreed square on the chess board."

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  1. Hand gestures by denshao2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would have been much easier and less obvious than changing seats for every move.

    1. Re:Hand gestures by fishbowl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You wouldn't need a whole lot of signals. It could very easily be as simple as "yes or no" signals. At this level of play you are far beyond "wondering which piece to move where." Problems are much more likely to present themselves in terms of "does this line lead to some tactical trouble that I don't see?" Chess has some pretty weird aspects that stem from its simplicity.

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    2. Re:Hand gestures by IorDMUX · · Score: 4, Funny

      Warning! Parent is worse than a Goatse Troll!

      It's a Rebecca Black Troll!

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    3. Re:Hand gestures by More_Cowbell · · Score: 3, Informative
      Possibly, but it's not like it was how they were caught, so does it matter?
      From TFA:

      The alleged strategy was discovered by French chess federation Vice President Joanna Pomian, who spotted a text message on the mobile phone of one of the three players while the French team was involved in a game.

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    4. Re:Hand gestures by SmilingBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

      They were even dumber. The Independent wrote:

      The alleged manipulations came to light because Mr Marzolo did not have a mobile telephone of his own. As a result of financial problems he had been barred by all mobile companies. His telephone had been loaned to him by another senior player for whom he once worked, Joanna Pomian, the vice president of the federation.

      During the championship, she accidentally discovered a message from Mr Hauchard in Russia which read: "Hurry up and send the moves." She checked the records of the line and found Mr Marzolo had sent 180 messages to the other accused men during the competition. Most consisted of telephone numbers.

  2. Not like other sports. by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 3, Funny

    My first thought, how would steroids help in chess? Guess chess isn't like other sports.

    1. Re:Not like other sports. by snspdaarf · · Score: 3

      So, I guess you really should let the Wookie win?

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  3. Re:naughty naughty by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You've obviously never played MMORPG. :)

    People will PAY EXTRA to cheat depriving themselves of any glory in accomplishment... for the empty bragging rights that come with having something you didn't earn, and which has no inherent real world value.

    But they still do it in droves.

  4. Is chess solved, or were these guys midlevel? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My understanding was that Chess, while significantly less intractable than some games, was still something that you needed a fairly serious computer to play well fast enough to be tournament legal.

    Has the state of the art in fact advanced more significantly than I thought, or were these guys sufficiently low-level players that some quite ordinary software was deemed sufficiently likely to be better? I'd assume that you wouldn't take the risk of being caught cheating unless you were fairly confident that it would boost your odds of winnning, which would imply a belief that you were substantially worse than whatever software they had access to.

    1. Re:Is chess solved, or were these guys midlevel? by JMZero · · Score: 3, Funny

      OK - you're either fantastically stupid or you're just pretending not to understand him (which is also fantastically stupid). Obviously he didn't mean a chain of moves 1,000,000 moves long. He meant the computers consider millions of individual moves. Which they do. Some of those moves might be 10 moves away, the bulk of them will be much closer. And you, despite obviously doing some Googling, apparently haven't given up on the idea that consulting a database is in any way the prime technique a computer chess program uses (beyond the opening).

      All in all, this article has had some of the stupidest, most depressing Slashdot comments I've ever seen. It's like reading the comments on a Youtube video.

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    2. Re:Is chess solved, or were these guys midlevel? by Surt · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can't compare a grandmaster that has a fabulous direct knowledge of 5000-15.000 games to a database that has every important game since the invention of notation in them. My own database at this moment holds over 15 million games, That is far beyond what any human is capable of.

      Wait, so you're an AI that has learned to troll slashdot about chess?

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    3. Re:Is chess solved, or were these guys midlevel? by Jappus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They don't 'see' the position, they have to do math to get it. Having said that, I do use the computer to practice and analyse my games.

      And, pray tell, what do you think the brain does when it "sees" a position? There's no such thing as insight raining down from the heavens like manna. Even your brain needs to first realize how the board looks, then cross-reference that with that else it has seen in the times past and then choose an appropriate action it deems worthwhile.

      The approach to steps 2 and 3 may be slightly different, as the human brain most likely uses more heuristics, but in the end, both computers and brains follow the same logic ... and have to follow the same logic.

      There is no such thing as a free thought, to abuse a popular saying.

  5. Re:How would that work ... by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

    A Grand Master is among us. *bows*

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  6. Re:Computers are better than humans? by cf18 · · Score: 3, Informative
    After submitting the story I found a more detail story from The Independent.

    It mention the chess program used is called "Firebird". From google there are many reference for it in various chess forums as an open source chess engine but I can't find an official page in English.

  7. Re:PATHETIC. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course, parkour is just a fancy form of running away.

  8. Top chess players are douchebags by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I enjoy a good game of chess myself, on occasion. However, at the top level, chess is populated almost entirely by gigantic douchebags. I'm not surprised cheating went on. Look at some of Bobby Fischer's early matches. And hey, Kasparov isn't above cheating, either. His opponent didn't say anything because she knew he'd use his reputation to destroy her and anything she said.

    "An interesting example of taking back moves at the highest level of OTB chess occurred recently at the elite 1994 Linares super tournament. It's claimed that there is video tape showing that PCA World Champion Garry Kasparov, while playing Judit Polgar, moved a knight to a square which would have cost him the exchange. Apparently, even though he had released the piece, he picked it up again and moved it to another square and went on to win the game." Link to more.

    Bobby Fischer, the greatest American player ever, idolized Hitler and hated Jewish people, and cheered 9/11 on his radio show. Sample quote: "This is a wonderful day. Fuck the United States. Cry, you crybabies! Whine, you bastards! Now your time is coming." Don't think he was alone in the chess world, either, he had a lot of friends: as Gudmundur G. ThÃrarinsson, the man who arranged the famous "Cold War" match against Spassky in Iceland, said at Fischer's funeral, "In the fullness of time, history will judge the United States harshly for its treatment of Robert James Fischer."

    I leave with this piece about chess, written in the 1500s.
    "Chess is certainly a pleasing and ingenious amusement, but it seems to have one defect, which is that it is possible to have too much knowledge of it, so that whoever would excel in the game must give a great deal of time to it, as I believe, and as much study as if he would learn some noble science or perform well anything of importance; and yet in the end, for all his pains, he only knows how to play a game. Thus, I think a very unusual thing happens in this, namely that mediocrity is more to be praised than excellence."

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    1. Re:Top chess players are douchebags by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Science isn't in itself any more noble than chess. We have the most advanced science in the world but our society hash't changed much has it?

      Well, it did got rid of smallpox. And polio. And famine. And backbreaking farm work. And cities get clean drinking water and their waste is purified before being released.

      But apart from medicine, plentiful food, clean water, warm houses, comfortable clothes, fast transportation, long-distance communication, contraceptives, weather forecasts, food preservation, insect repellants, electric light, sunglasses, robots, tractors, waste disposal, fire, wheel and beer... what has science ever done for us?

      It disturbs me that Monty Python seems to be such an accurate portrayal of the world.

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