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SABAM Wants Truckers To Pay For Listening To Radio

guruevi writes "SABAM, the Belgian RIAA, wants truckers to start paying for the copyrights to listen to the radio in their cabin (Google translation of Dutch original). SABAM already has a system in place to extract fees from businesses for having radios in the work area for businesses with more than 9 employees, and they find that truckers' cabins are areas of work and thus infringe on their copyrights. The local politicians think this is going too far; they believe truckers need a radio for safety reasons and view a truck cabin as 'an intimate place.'"

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  1. I'd be fine with this, as long as... by NeuralAbyss · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd be fine with this, as long as the beancounters are forced to personally visit every single trucker in person, and attempt to extract their fees.

    I'd imagine they'd soon have a 'close encounter of the truckstop kind'... perfect sort of punishment for this level of arrogance. Next they'll be demanding fees for listening to the radio while driving to work. The publishing industry will stop at nothing to fraudulently demand fees for others' works.

    1. Re:I'd be fine with this, as long as... by jhoegl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I find this interesting.
      It used to be that these companies kissed the ass of Radio stations. Who knows, they still might.
      They gave away the songs, tickets to concerts, everything to the radio stations to play the music during prime time to get their songs out there.
      Now, they are wanting the consumer, the very person that will like or dislike their artists work to pay to even listen to it for the first time?
      Complete 180 by the industry.
      Here is what I propose... play garage band songs, and songs by people who dont want to nickle and dime the consumer to death
      Fuck you big industry and suck my balls.

    2. Re:I'd be fine with this, as long as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The idea they are trying to make us believe is that artist need to be paid, but over 3/4 of the money is going to the labels, not the artist... and really why not keep stealing money form people.

      I live in Belgium, and I am required to pay the tax for the radio (I do not own a radio, nor do I have a car) also, I am required to pay the tax for a TV, when once again I do not own a TV and never watch TV (I think it is filled with too much crap), but as I have a company laptop, I am able to watch TV through the Internet, so I must pay the same tax.

      If we move a bit farther from this, recently the Belgium government changed a bunch of other laws, such as Motorcycle (I do own a motorcycle) must pay the park meter and use car spot to park now, I am fine with this, but then adapt the price and make special parking for bikes, but no, I have to pay the same price as a car, and I have found my bike on the ground twice due to some stupid car trying to take the 3/4 of the spot available.

      It is basically the same everywhere, let's steal money from people, and let's not hold back at any cost because in the end, it is better to make the rich richer!

    3. Re:I'd be fine with this, as long as... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The industry is dying. They're going after any revenue stream they can dream up now.

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    4. Re:I'd be fine with this, as long as... by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Informative

      Truck stops often offer a free shower in their facility with a minimum fuel purchase. Given that fuel prices are high and trucks have rather large fuel tanks, spending $250 on a fill up is not at all uncommon. Thus if you flip things around, it becomes 'free diesel' with the purchase of a '$250 shower'. Just a way of making it sound cute, especially when the facilities aren't exactly up to par.

      And a lot lizard, for those still unsure, is just a prostitute that works a truck stop.

    5. Re:I'd be fine with this, as long as... by deniable · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Two different groups actually. The radio is being chased by individual record companies trying to grab a bigger slice of finite air-time. This is a collection group with a hunting license from the whole industry. These are the people who charge restaurants for playing the radio that the first group are using to push their product.

    6. Re:I'd be fine with this, as long as... by couchslug · · Score: 4, Informative

      "The industry is dying."

      Not fast enough. It needs to be shot in the face.

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    7. Re:I'd be fine with this, as long as... by Krommenaas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Belgian here. The sad thing is, trying to avoid the SABAM fees by only playing rights-free music in your business leads to all kinds of administrative hassle where you are forced to prove the music you play is rights free. Most people who'd be open to this alternative decide not to bother, which is of course the intention of the hassle. It's just another case of politicians serving business interests over their voters' interests.

    8. Re:I'd be fine with this, as long as... by jimicus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, ostensibly the radio was an advertisement for the album. The radio plays one or two songs from the album and people hear it and want to hear more from the album. The problem facing todays music industry is that they seem to be unable to find any artists that can actually put an albums worth of music together, let alone one that has any real staying power. So they are getting desperate and looking anywhere they can for revenue.

      I really think that's vanishingly unlikely. What, the world supply of talented musicians has just dried up?

      What I think is more likely is the beancounters and the svengalis running the record companies have become so obsessed with finding the Next Big Thing there's nobody left working at a record company who understands the idea of nurturing talent over the course of many years. Which means they've become remarkably talented at finding and pushing the next Rebecca Black (intentionally stupid example before anyone points it out) and remarkably bad at developing a strong pool of musicians who start out with a hell of a lot of promise but still very rough around the edges.

      Don't believe me? See if you can dig out early studio recordings by Blondie. I mean really early - the stuff that never made it to a release. Debbie Harry sounds dire, and if she was on the X factor today Simon Cowell would probably tell her to go and become a truck driver.

    9. Re:I'd be fine with this, as long as... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It used to be that these companies kissed the ass of Radio stations. Who knows, they still might.

      Now they buy radio stations.

      Here is what I propose... play garage band songs, and songs by people who dont want to nickle and dime the consumer to death

      Here is what I propose, put an end to payments based on where music is played. I bought the record and I should be able to play it where I want. Yes, I know the law says otherwise. I think that law is wrong.

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  2. Radio by paylett · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps they have forgotten the reasons why music is broadcast over the radio for free in the first place?
    1. Advertising revenue
    2. Free promotion of new music

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    1. Re:Radio by Dutchmaan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It used to be that music/tv shows were there as an enticement for a viewer to be exposed to the ads..NOW, the viewer/listener is considered 'stealing' the shows, if they don't listen to / watch the ads.

      It's a subtle but disgusting difference.

  3. Fuck 'em by the+real+darkskye · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They have either paid for the music on CD, or the radio stations have already paid their dues.

    What's next, people who whistle getting charged for public performances?

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    1. Re:Fuck 'em by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What's next, people who whistle getting charged for public performances?

      They have tried. I have a neighbor who used to whistle popular tunes. Another neighbor, after trying complaining to the police, then called the American Society of Composers And Publishers, in an effort to silence the whistling. ASCAP lawyers then sent him a Cease and Desist letter, threatening to sue him for the maximum infringement penalty if he did not pay them a settlement immediately. AFAIK, the guy never paid any settlement, but neither did ASCAP further pursue the matter. (And the whistling ended.)

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  4. BS by shentino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The radio station broadcasting it already paid the royalties for a license to broadcast it.

    Double dipping hogwash.

  5. Re:That's just unfair by Captain+Hook · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, if you are driving as part of a business then you can't listen to music unless the business have brought the appropriate protection money, so this would apply to anyone traveling on company business. Trucks, Salesman, Field Support etc.

    The group are taking the current rules and applying them to their logical conclusion, hopeful this will prompt government to wonder if the rules as they are currently implemented actually make sense.

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  6. Denmark has been doing this for years by Menkhaf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    KODA, the Danish equivalent of RIAA, had a case in Højesteret (Danish High Court) in 2003 that basically said that when you're at work, the broadcast licence rules for companies is in effect, even if you're a single trucker in a truck.
    Only a few articles in Danish media covered it then. Here's the official statement from KODA at the time and a Google translation here

    (weird links in preview -- wonder how they'll look when I press submit...)

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  7. Re:Money by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And why pick on truckies (not a group, actually, I'd choose to pick on, but there you go)? Why not - well, anyone?

    Because that's step 5 of their plan.
    Step 2 will be taxi's and public transport.
    Step 3 includes ALL business cars during business hours.
    Step 4 is to tax all vehicles used to commute to work.
    Step 5 is just to tax every vehicle.
    It takes some time for each of these steps to go from "completely unreasonable" to "just a bit les reasonable than the previous law".

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  8. Agencies demand payment when your phone rings by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Funny

    ASSCAP, Asscrap, Monday (NNN) — After its recent successes suing girl scouts over singing copyrighted songs around campfires, the American Super-Society of Composers, Authors and Performers has filed a brief in a lawsuit against AT&T arguing that its members deserve payment every time a mobile phone rings.

    The owners of the musical compositions are already paid for each ringtone download, but this does not cover ASCAP public performance royalties.

    "The musicians and songwriters are the true creators of objective value in society," said ASCAP spokesdroid Ayn Rand. "They deserve your support. How would civilisation survive without Crazy Frog or the Nokia Tune? Which changes one note from the 1902 'Gran Vals' by Francisco Tárrega, so is completely original and deserving of royalties.

    "To this end, we are bringing suits against those individuals who, having purchased RIAA-licensed ringtones, do not then silence them when in public. Statutory damages of $80,000 should have a salutary effect on our coffers and, of course, our public image."

    Further lawsuits will then be brought against those who silence their mobile phones. "4'33' by John Cage is a copyrighted work. Without the money going to his estate, he may never write another measured piece of silence again." This will be followed by suits against those whistling or humming music in public, then those thinking about music in any form without a licence.

    In support of their position, ASCAP pointed to vast public outpourings of sympathy from millions of people who never wanted to hear a tinny thirty-second burst of cheesy synthetic R&B coming from a phone ever again in their lives.

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  9. Bah. by Entropius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry, if you don't want anyone to listen to your music, don't broadcast it.

    This is like people who post shit on the web and get butthurt when people link to it. If you don't want people having whatever it is you're serving, don't put a computer on the web that doles it out in response to a HTTP GET request.

    If you don't want people listening to your music, don't broadcast it as an unencrypted FM signal. You should not be able to broadcast something in the clear and then put conditions on who can tune in.

  10. Re:Simple response by deniable · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Then see how fast big content gets on board with net neutrality.

  11. Ah thanks, but this is slashdot by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thanks for clearing that much up. But I, and I am sure lots of other slashdotters, am still unclear on one detail.

    What is a female?

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    1. Re:Ah thanks, but this is slashdot by PwnzerDragoon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your post + your sig raises some interesting questions.

  12. Re:That's just unfair by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well %$#^* Belgium! Pardon my French.

    That should have been "Fuck B-----m!".
    Mask the expletives according to their nastiness.

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  13. Re:Logical conclusions... by deniable · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, a tax on overly large sound systems could be a bonus.

  14. CB vs Ham by dingram17 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I doubt that you'd be in front of most /. readers, since most have some science background and might recognise wavelengths etc.

    Anyway, 10m is the 28MHz amateur radio band (10m being the wavelength). Ham gear is more powerful, and can drive larger linear amplifiers (the 'kicker' in CB parlance). A 1600W linear is going to need around 100W of drive, so the ham radio would work nicely. I think the legal limit of a CB is something like 10W, which would underdrive the linear.

    The US obsession with RF power never ceases to amaze me, especially when I'm using 5W to talk to an operator running 1500W. The QRP mantra: power is no substitute for skill.

    As you say, I can't believe I am biting at the troll ...

  15. Re:Quote explains it all. by tautog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you know why truckers keep a dog as a traveling companion?

    Because a sheep would be too obvious.

  16. Re:The supplied translation link... by Myopic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wait a second. This article doesn't make sense even if it is translated correctly.

    It's really easy for those copyright owners to protect themselves from these people who, from the copyright owners' perspective, apparently, are "stealing" from them or somehow hearing the songs unfairly. It's really easy to do that, and we already have a system set up for that. We don't need a new governmental or semi-governmental program to protect the copyright owners in this case, because we already have that system.

    The system is called DON'T FUCKING BROADCAST YOUR FUCKING SONGS ON THE MOTHERFUCKING AIR IF YOU DON'T FUCKING WANT PEOPLE TO FUCKING LISTEN TO THEM YOU FUCKING FUCK. Fer fuck's sake, honestly.

    Oh, really? You are being so injured by people listening to your broadcasts? Well here's what I suggest you do to fix that: NOTHING. DO NOTHING. DO NOT BROADCAST YOUR SHIT, AND PEOPLE WON'T HEAR YOUR SHIT. Mission accomplished.