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Cylindrical Rolltop Laptops

akshaynhegde writes "Germany's Orkin Design has proposed this fantastic concept of a futuristic laptop. The rolltop is a 'rolled up' laptop. By using the flexible OLED and touchscreen technologies, the created concept is a cylindrical laptop which can be rolled out when it needs to be used and can be rolled up again when not used." Something tells me it will be a little while before you will be unrolling your laptop on a plane.

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  1. Enough is enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something tells me it will be a little while before you will be unrolling your laptop on a plane.

    Enough is enough. I have had it with these motherfucking rollup laptops on this motherfucking plane.

    1. Re:Enough is enough by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Dozens? I saw a mockup of a "roll up computing device" at Disneyland at Epcot when they first opened and had a mini "worlds fair"..

      1980 called, they want their roll up laptop idea back.

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    2. Re:Enough is enough by delinear · · Score: 1

      I'm not even sure, aside from a "look at what cool stuff we can do now" promo, why you would want a roll up laptop. Is it easier to carry a fat tube than a thin rectangle? Possibly. Is it going to be just one more hassle rolling and unrolling the damn thing every time you want to use it/carry it around? Definitely.

    3. Re:Enough is enough by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      As have the FAA and TSA, who have pre-emptively banned these devices on all flights pending approval.

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    4. Re:Enough is enough by Iron+Condor · · Score: 2

      Is it easier to carry a fat tube than a thin rectangle? Possibly.

      No. Definitely not.

      Anybody who has ever flown with a laptop (which will fit into any backpack) knows the practicality of that situation - but anybody who has ever tried to fly with any kind of tube, knows how next-to-impossible that is. The overhead bins are made for rectangular items, so is the space underneath the seat in front of you. And where do you put it after you unroll it?

      What possible advantage is there to something bulky that cannot be stacked; when we've already figured out how to make it razor-thin and infinitely packagable?

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    5. Re:Enough is enough by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Indeed. How the fuck did it make front page. Its an extremely old concept.

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    6. Re:Enough is enough by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Is it easier to carry a fat tube than a thin rectangle?

      If I have to start carrying a thin rectangle, I have to buy larger boxers.

  2. Rollup monitor, not computer by algaeman · · Score: 1

    I don't think we will see rollup laptops, but rather just rollup monitors and keyboards. By the time these come out, your computer will be in your pocket, you will just want a larger screen and keyboard to do your real work.

    1. Re:Rollup monitor, not computer by bemymonkey · · Score: 2

      No thanks. Roll-up keyboards are already available, and they suck.

    2. Re:Rollup monitor, not computer by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      And therefore always will, yes.

      *hugs Thinkpad*

    3. Re:Rollup monitor, not computer by pyrosine · · Score: 1

      Well they wont be changing, there is fundamentally no change you can make - the whole reason they are terrible is because the keys are flat, and they have to be quite simply if you want to roll it up.
      Only solution is perhaps keys that expand when it has rolled out, but to me that is a 1 time usage thing (automatic deflation would be more difficult and slow)... Although having said that, a material that responds by changing molecular structure when subjected to an electrical current would be effective for this (im not 100% if this is an existing material or concept, but I seem to recall it from somewhere)

    4. Re:Rollup monitor, not computer by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1, Funny

      I, uh, don't think that was a hug. Also, get a room...

    5. Re:Rollup monitor, not computer by AJH16 · · Score: 1

      But... But... the iPad..er... touch screen keyboards are the future, didn't you hear??? Agreed that roll up keyboards suck, but I'd prefer them to a touch screen keyboard anyday. Technology doesn't have to be practical to sell en masse unfortunately, just trendy.

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    6. Re:Rollup monitor, not computer by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Yep... If the form factor is too small for a hardware keyboard, so be it... but I'm more than willing to sacrifice thickness and carry twice the weight if it'll get me tactile feedback :)

    7. Re:Rollup monitor, not computer by t2t10 · · Score: 1

      You can get rollup keyboards today and the keys are not flat. However, they're rubber and they compress when you roll the thing up. They are not as nice as rigid full size keyboards, but I find them nicer than rigid smaller keyboards. In this case (and only in this case :-), size matters more than rigidity.

  3. It's not a newspaper by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And even if it was, do you know how god damn annoying it is to read a paper after it's been rolled up?

    Look, laptops do it right. The hinge? That's a crease, a fold line, and allows this thing that otherwise should not be bent to use space more efficiently. A cylinder is will have that big empty volume in the middle. Well, it will until the slightest bit of pressure to the sides squeezes it flat.

    1. Re:It's not a newspaper by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This. Just because you can make something doesn't mean anyone is going to want it. There's a reason we upgraded from scrolls to books. Rolled up things are an inefficient use of space.

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    2. Re:It's not a newspaper by Whalou · · Score: 4, Informative

      From what I saw, the 'big empty volume' in the middle is used for the cylinder that appears to hold the actual computer. The rolled up part is just a screen that you hook up to the base.

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    3. Re:It's not a newspaper by captainpanic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a reason we upgraded from scrolls to books. Rolled up things are an inefficient use of space.

      Could it be that we went to books because of the invention of the printing press, which was not able to print continuously on a long scroll (contrary to the more modern printers, starting with the matrix printer)?
      In the fluids / beverage industry, cylindrical containers are very common. Volumes range from a few milliliters to thousands of tons. Nobody ever complained about the volume taken up by the space between the bottles or tanks.
      In fact, cylindrical containers tend to be very strong, and that's a major plus.

      This. Just because you can make something doesn't mean anyone is going to want it.

      Just because it's not what you're used to doesn't mean it's a bad idea :-)

      And anyway, just because it's new, there are plenty of people who will want to buy it. Especially if it has an Apple logo.

    4. Re:It's not a newspaper by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      And the central part is also the speaker and has the power socket.

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    5. Re:It's not a newspaper by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Now now, dont bring reality and physics into it.

      the roll up laptop will be built with unobtanium that will not have any material memory and will roll up easily and then unroll to be perfectly flat instantly..

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    6. Re:It's not a newspaper by kevinNCSU · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think there are some pretty clear advantages to bounded books over scrolls especially considering they started hand-writing them long before the printing press. For example, have you ever tried reading your scroll with one hand and a drink in the other while lounging by the pool? And God help you if you drop it, that's when everything REALLY starts to unravel.

    7. Re:It's not a newspaper by camperdave · · Score: 3, Informative

      Could it be that we went to books because of the invention of the printing press, which was not able to print continuously on a long scroll (contrary to the more modern printers, starting with the matrix printer)?

      No. The change from scroll to book happened centuries before the invention of the printing press.

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    8. Re:It's not a newspaper by Inner_Child · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope, we went to books before the printing press, but nice try.

      Also, while cylindrical containers are strong, they also don't repel bears very well (which has about as much to do with which is more efficient for the printed word as your beverage example).

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    9. Re:It's not a newspaper by Splab · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They aren't using cylindical forms because they want to, but they have to to contain the pressure. Trust me, they complain a lot about the space lost due to cylindical containers.

    10. Re:It's not a newspaper by capnkr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Rolled up things are an inefficient use of space.

      Not necessarily. Next time you pack for a trip where luggage space is at a premium, try rolling up your clothing instead of packing it folded flat in your suitcase/seabag. When crammed full, not only will the result produce less wrinkles in the clothing (if care is taken with the rolling), but it is easier to go through the entire contents of the luggage container to find a specific item, and then remove it without 'upsetting' other items. Just sayin'...

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    11. Re:It's not a newspaper by AlecC · · Score: 2

      Look, laptops do it right. The hinge? That's a crease, a fold line, and allows this thing that otherwise should not be bent to use space more efficiently. A cylinder is will have that big empty volume in the middle.

      According to TFA, the hole in the middle contains USB ports, power connectors, speakers, webcam - basically all the PC except the keyboard/screen.

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    12. Re:It's not a newspaper by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I believe you mean we went from scrolls to codices (plural of codex). Both are books.

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    13. Re:It's not a newspaper by vlm · · Score: 2

      Could it be that we went to books because of the invention of the printing press, which was not able to print continuously on a long scroll (contrary to the more modern printers, starting with the matrix printer)?

      Rotary press 1843 vs offset press 1903 vs Dot matrix printer 1964

      Pretty much everything printed on a modern press for about a century before the dot matrix printer was invented was printed on "scrolls". Newspapers etc are not printed on precut sheets. Other than modern desktop laser printers, pretty much everything for the last century has been printed on "scrolls" that are later chopped into pages. I am not counting artsy craftsy stuff like silk screening tee shirts here, rather the million times larger paper printing industry.

      If you want some fun you can troll printers (people who run printing presses, not inanimate objects) regarding the offset press from 1903 vs the rotary press from 1843. There's not a heck of a lot of difference but some argumentative personalities love to argue how they're obviously separate different inventions vs obviously the offset is a minor modification of the rotary scarely even worth commenting on.

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    14. Re:It's not a newspaper by idontgno · · Score: 3, Funny

      I believe Dilbert discussed this.

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    15. Re:It's not a newspaper by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      This. Just because you can make something doesn't mean anyone is going to want it.

      That statement seems to be entirely the opposite of the concept of Apple today. "Make useless shit and instruct people that they want it" is pretty well their corporate philosophy.

      Heh. "Apple makes useless products and just tells people to buy them. I know this because people tell me this all the time."

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    16. Re:It's not a newspaper by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1, Funny

      I advocate a return to the scrolls. Drinking while reading should be a crime.

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    17. Re:It's not a newspaper by badran · · Score: 1

      Cylinders have less weak spots.

    18. Re:It's not a newspaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Scrolls are sequential access documents, while books are random access. The advantages of a book over a scroll are completely unrelated to their uses as a computer screen form factor.

    19. Re:It's not a newspaper by redherring728 · · Score: 2

      Just because it's not what you're used to doesn't mean it's a bad idea :-)

      Am I the only one that's sick and tired of seeing this nonsense argument? At what point did he say "It's a bad idea because it's not what I'm used to"? Your reply is completely irrelevant. I could just as easily say "Just because it's not what you're used to doesn't mean it's a good idea."

    20. Re:It's not a newspaper by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Lets be fair now. I am all for pointing out Apples many shortcomings, but saying that the stuff they make is useless is a bit unfair. I may prefer my Android phone over the iPhone that work provided, but if Android didn't exist, I would heavily use the iPhone. Just because there are better options that are less expensive doesn't mean that Apple products are useless.

      (Was that some awesome trolling or what?)

    21. Re:It's not a newspaper by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Just to add to your point, if you look at iPhone commercials, they all basically follow the same theme: "You can do this, this, and that." I think the 'useless' bit may have been inspired by the original iMac ads which were basically "we have color cases!" Heh.

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    22. Re:It's not a newspaper by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Could it be that we went to books because of the invention of the printing press, which was not able to print continuously on a long scroll (contrary to the more modern printers, starting with the matrix printer)?

      No. The change from scroll to book happened centuries before the invention of the printing press.

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    23. Re:It's not a newspaper by rsborg · · Score: 1

      Next time you pack for a trip where luggage space is at a premium, try rolling up your clothing instead of packing it folded flat in your suitcase/seabag.

      During my trip through US Army basic training, I was told to do this. During our first excursion prep, I ignored it initially, then realized that I couldn't pack everything in my rucksack. On a second attempt, placing more emphasis on rolling my clothes, I managed to fit it all in. Ever since I that time, I roll my clothes unless there's ample space in my luggage (sometimes this has resulted in me traveling with a smaller bag).

      However, back to the point, I'm not sure that you could actually gain space rolling a display... unlike clothes, I'm sure any given such display will not like having really tight wrap radius, and unlike most clothing, are not generally disposable/replaceable. Consequently, I'm not sure why "roll-able" displays are really worth mentioning... much like the completely useless roll-able keyboard I bought back in 2001, it's neat for show and that's about it... usability sucked and eventually it got torn from being stored wrapped up.

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    24. Re:It's not a newspaper by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But if you were attacked by a bear, you could roll up your laptop to make an improvised weapon to defend yourself.

    25. Re:It's not a newspaper by Dracolytch · · Score: 1

      Might want to RTFA. Or at least W(Watch)TFV(Video). The concept rolls around a detachable core, which houses the power supply / external speakers. It's a neat idea, though I have my doubts about usability/durability in the real-world.

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    26. Re:It's not a newspaper by kasperd · · Score: 1

      There's a reason we upgraded from scrolls to books.

      Not everybody think that upgrade was a good idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ

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    27. Re:It's not a newspaper by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Of course people would buy it if it had an Apple logo. People turn in to complete idiots when you put an Apple logo on something.

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    28. Re:It's not a newspaper by Fartypants · · Score: 1

      Rolled up things are not necessarily an inefficient use of space... Check out this NYTimes piece where a flight attendant shows how to get 10 days of clothes in a carry on by roll-packing: 10 Days in a Carry-On

    29. Re:It's not a newspaper by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the "center" of the tube is the large battery/handle/CPU section, and the screen and keyboard wrap around it? Imagine your whole laptop folded up into the size of a long maglite flashlight. Maybe there's an integrated LED light on the end for times you're not computing.

    30. Re:It's not a newspaper by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      I do remember a sci-fi show (don't remember which one) in which the portable computers were held in one hand by a handle on the bottom and the top part could be any real shape, but it had a screen that could be rolled out of the side of the device while the device itself had the buttons for using it.

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    31. Re:It's not a newspaper by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 2

      As someone else pointed out, rolling up clothes is one thing. Rolling up a $1000 computer is quite another. You're not going to be able to roll the computer as tightly as you can roll a shirt.

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    32. Re:It's not a newspaper by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Agreed rolling certainly has advantages for packing certain types of object. With clothes the advantage is it makes it much easier to pack them tightly because the clothes friction with themselves contains most of the compressive force you have applied whereas with a flat fold you have to apply the force to the package as a whole (which you can do but you risk damaging other more delicate items in the suitcase when you sit on it).

      With a screen the poential advantage would be that by reducing the surface area you could reduce the amount of volume spent on protection for the screen and/or give the screen better protection. With a modern thin laptop even a fairly thin sleeve can end up with a volume that is a significant percentage of the laptops volume, more protective cases will have significantly greater volume.

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    33. Re:It's not a newspaper by Zoxed · · Score: 1

      > Rolled up things are an inefficient use of space.

      But it would look cool next to your Latte, and that is what sells Apples ;-)

  4. Why roll-up? by pz · · Score: 1

    I fail to understand the entire roll-up computation field. What's the appeal? Why would I want to carry around a cylinder of material that is easy to crush (and therefore crease, likely destroying in the process) when the same item can be made flat, rigid, and slide easily into my briefcase along with other flat things that I need to carry around? Floppy items are no fun to type on. Curly things are no fun to read.

    Can someone explain, please?

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    1. Re:Why roll-up? by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 1

      I think everyone remembers too fondly Captain Picard's girlfriend's rollup piano.

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    2. Re:Why roll-up? by Twinbee · · Score: 2

      A rolled up laptop essentially decreases a dimension of space you need to worry about. Therefore it'll take up less space and/or allow for larger screens.

      Since the material is flexible, it's also less likely to break when dropped etc.

      When it's uncurled it should be as flat to read as a normal laptop if the implementation is decent.

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    3. Re:Why roll-up? by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Exactly. Instead of roll-up, why not try and come up with a way that allows you to fold a laptop multiple times. If you can make a laptop thin and flexible enough to roll up like a newspaper, why not just try to make one that can fold up to the size of a paperback or small hardcover book? Hell, I'd be happy with a full-size laptop that can fold up to be the size of a closed netbook. Seems like that would be a lot more efficient and economical in terms of storage than rolling one up.

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    4. Re:Why roll-up? by teslafreak · · Score: 2

      Exactly! Packs are all made to store many layers of flat material, a cylinder would actually waste space. I just don't get it.

    5. Re:Why roll-up? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I agree. Floppy clyinders are no fun. Sliding rigid things into cases satisfies my manly urges.

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    6. Re:Why roll-up? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Simple: A rolled up screen can be much larger than the keyboard it's attached to...

      (A useful rolled up screen would have a lot less diameter than the one the "visionary" in the article is proposing)

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    7. Re:Why roll-up? by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      I fail to understand the entire fire concept! Why would I want to go to the bother of creating fire when I can digest raw meat and berries, scare of animals with a big nasty stick and keep warm by huddling together in a corner? Can someone explain, please?

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    8. Re:Why roll-up? by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      If you WTFV you'll see that the central part holds the gubbins, like speakers and power and processors etc...

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    9. Re:Why roll-up? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Based on today's CIS students.... it's a desire to at the end of the day, unroll your laptop, fill it with your favorite herb, roll it back up and smoke it.

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    10. Re:Why roll-up? by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      I fail to understand the entire roll-up computation field. What's the appeal? Why would I want to carry around a cylinder of material that is easy to crush (and therefore crease, likely destroying in the process) when the same item can be made flat, rigid, and slide easily into my briefcase along with other flat things that I need to carry around? Floppy items are no fun to type on. Curly things are no fun to read.

      Can someone explain, please?

      You don't carry around the cylinder on its own. The cylinder rolls up into a holder device, similar to the communicators on Earth: Final Conflict. The screen unrolls when you want to use it. Marry that with some tubes of electrorheological fluid and you could get a flexible screen that becomes a flat, hard surface when unrolled and current flows through it.

    11. Re:Why roll-up? by maxume · · Score: 1

      There was such a thing on the market at one point.

      (It had a big plastic lump at one end and I'm sure that the feel sucked and it doesn't have the magic sound implied on the TV show, but rollup piano keyboards, they have been produced)

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    12. Re:Why roll-up? by somersault · · Score: 1

      You need a cheap netbook with an SSD my friend. You can bang that thing as hard as you want without fear of any damage resulting from your manly ways. I sometimes use mine for entertainment while having a shower, and the warm moist atmosphere hasn't caused any problems so far.

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    13. Re:Why roll-up? by Zerth · · Score: 2

      Existing flexible displays don't tolerate hard creases well. Making it a cylinder reduces the angle necessary to flex.

      Now if you were willing to put up with some lines, a screen could be made of several 7" displays arranged much like a 2x2 desktop monitor array. But it would be very thick when folded and the keyboard would probably suck more than the usual laptop keyboard.

    14. Re:Why roll-up? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Instead of roll-up, why not try and come up with a way that allows you to fold a laptop multiple times.

      Because it'll break.

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    15. Re:Why roll-up? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Because laser touch keyboards suck ass. Even more than an ipad keyboard.

      Aside from the lack of tactile feedback, there is also the problem of the fact that your keyboard is now projected light which doesn't work well once your hands are in the way.

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    16. Re:Why roll-up? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Except then you're using a cheap netbook which sucks ass.

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    17. Re:Why roll-up? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Yep I am using a cheap netbook, and it's pretty decent. Ubuntu, 1GB RAM, 32GB SSD, it suits me fine. Having an ION GPU would make it pretty much perfect, since right now even my phone is better at HD video playback, but other than that it can drive my 1920x1080 display at work fine for coding, web browsing, etc.

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    18. Re:Why roll-up? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      In five years when everybody is unrolling/unfolding an awesome, lightweight 30" display, are you still going to be happy with your 15" laptop?

      Will that be a display that actually gives me the pixels to make full use of those 30 inches or will it be a mere 1920x1080 like the better 15 inch laptops?

      If it's a mere 1920x1080 then the only use I see for it would be presentations and frankly a projector is probably just as convenient for that as long as you can find a reasonably flat and neutral peice of wall. If it's higher res then I could see it being useful in a mobile office scenario.

      Either way for actual use on the go I tend to think even 15 inch is too big, for that use 10 inch seems to be the sweet spot though getting a 10 inch with an acceptable* screen resolution is a PITA.

      *I do not consider anything lower than 1024x768 in either dimension to be acceptable.

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  5. I've seen these in several scifi shows by peter303 · · Score: 1

    One was the movie Mission To Mars. Another was a scifi TV series about a decade ago produced by Majel Roddenberry I think was called Earth Final Conflict. User had pen-like devices they could pull out a computer screen.

  6. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Post about it when it is built.

    1. Re:Yawn by suso · · Score: 1

      Yeah exactly. I made a wad of paper laptop once........ in Blender. So what. Rolltop is probably a 13 year old kid with no budget. Actually, the logo even looks like Blender's logo a bit.

  7. They'll call it... by kc9jud · · Score: 1

    They'll call it the iScroll...

  8. I can't wait! by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

    I bet the Apple Rollup will taste the best. Either that or it won't but many people will insist in forums and chat rooms that it is.

    1. Re:I can't wait! by Skywolfblue · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, what does a "Google" taste like anyways? Grape? Kiwi? Orange?

  9. Sci Fi staple by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    Red Planet, Caprica, Killing Star, others.

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  10. Seen this before... by khr · · Score: 2

    News?

    I'm sure someone sent me a link to a video around two years or more ago that looked almost exactly like that. Same shape, same blue shoulder strap, everything...

    Same speculation that it's coming right away...

    1. Re:Seen this before... by srodden · · Score: 1

      Yup, old news. Seen those exact photos sufficiently long ago as to be an old memory.

      That or we're having a glitch in the matrix.

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  11. "Pen"-size form factor by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Anywhere you can carry a pen, you could carry a computer. Also the screen would be larger than a watch-size or cell-size when expanded.

  12. Not in our life time. by tom229 · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of stuff like the nokia morph concept. It took 10 years for me to be able to properly view a webpage on my phone. The monopolized 'slow roll' of our technology wont allow this stuff to happen in our life time.

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  13. displays are terrible keyboards by mschaffer · · Score: 2

    When are designers going to get it into their heads that touch displays make terrible keyboards!!!
    I will gladly keep my rigid keyboard in lieu of the roll-up display.

    Besides, I saw sketches of something similar years ago. This isn't new.

    1. Re:displays are terrible keyboards by sammyF70 · · Score: 1

      You do know what kind of answers you are going to get, right?

      [ tablet fanboy mode ] if it's not for you, then don't buy one. there are people out there who just do not need a keyboard! It's all about mobility, man! Think of all the space you can save with such a device, space you can then fill with a bluetooth keyboard, bluetooth mouse, bluetooth usb adapter, and other peripherals and ports that are standard on any basic notebook[ /tablet fanboy mode ]

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    2. Re:displays are terrible keyboards by PRMan · · Score: 1

      As long as iPhones and iPads keep selling like hotcakes, never.

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    3. Re:displays are terrible keyboards by immakiku · · Score: 1

      (disregarding sammyF70's joke about tablet fanboys)

      You know, there are people out there who just do not need a keyboard. The keyboard is optimized to construct words in an alphabetic language. Chinese users have struggled since the beginning of computing to figure out a good method to construct words on the keyboard. The most optimal solution now is a combination of some typing shorthand + auto-completion. Chinese is a language best written by hand. For that, a touch interface is actually superior.

    4. Re:displays are terrible keyboards by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      When are designers going to get it into their heads that touch displays make terrible keyboards!!!

      When people stop buying them by the 10's of millions.

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    5. Re:displays are terrible keyboards by sammyF70 · · Score: 1

      from my limited experience with japanese and kanji, I can see where you're coming from, although a good grafic tablet would probably be even better than a touch interface (but I'm no expert, so ...). I was obviously speaking about latin alphabet based text of course.

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    6. Re:displays are terrible keyboards by esaulgd · · Score: 1

      You clearly have never seen any actual Japanese/Chinese using computers. The current system is actually a godsend, because they don't need to recall every detail of the thousands of characters that make up the language to write it correctly. Using a keyboard and good IME software enables them to write much faster, more accurately and with cleaner type than would ever be possible by hand. In fact, the keyboard method is so good that nowadays most young Japanese have trouble writing less common words by hand, due to the lack of practice.

    7. Re:displays are terrible keyboards by fermion · · Score: 1
      As soon as keyboard designers learn that chiclet keyboard and their decedents make horrible keyboards. My fragile laptop keyboard which merely closes a electrical connection and uses a piece of plastic for feedback is horrible. I demand that large mechanical switches be brought back with their true force feedback and loud noises that can be heard over the din fo the airplane fans cooling my tower.

      Which is to say that the first post-switch keyboards were horrible, and not just because we were used to typewriters. However, over time the design got better and we got used to lack of feedback.

      I don't know what can be done with onscreen keyboards to make them better, but I look at moden keyboards and would have never thought of the current designs, so I think there might be hope. It will be a combination of people getting used to the new design, of people who hate the new design dying out, and better design. Just like everything else.

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    8. Re:displays are terrible keyboards by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They're not marketing to logical people who want practical devices. They're marketing to people who want cool and new things that they can show off.

    9. Re:displays are terrible keyboards by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Seems to me the problem is the language, not the input device.

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  14. Huh? by lennier1 · · Score: 1

    What's so new about that? Concept ideas along those lines have been around for years, long before OLED screens became mainstream.

  15. Old News, Yet Still Doesn't Exist by Rary · · Score: 1

    The video in the linked site, which has been around since at least 2009, is entirely animated. It's a neat idea, but show me a physical device.

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  16. They see me rollin' by Noughmad · · Score: 1

    They see me rollin'
    my laptop
    I know they're all thinking
    I'm so white'n'nerdy

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  17. Re:Caprica e-paper anyone? by eln · · Score: 1

    Sure, but nobody takes these things seriously until they're featured in some college student's blog.

  18. moveable parts by hellfire · · Score: 1

    So that's a lot of moveable parts. Technically the screen is flexible but the other side appears hinged. What happens when one of those hinges bust?

    One of the selling points is that the rolltop fits in any bag, but if my livelihood depends on a reliable machine that won't physically break in the airport right before I get on the plane, I'll gladly get a specialized bag for it, it's not that big a deal.

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  19. Paging William Gibson - by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 1

    Seems like he wrote about this several years ago, now -

  20. Re:Makes sense by lennier1 · · Score: 1

    Has this been verified by Al Gore???

  21. Only makes sense if you have a roll already by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    It only makes sense to use a rollable anything if you have something else already that rolls up that cannot reasonably be made to take up less space in some other way. For instance in my camping kit I have a big thermarest pad which rolls up so it only makes sense that I should carry around other stuff that rolls up, then it can all go down the center of my pack and end up pretty well-balanced with other stuff packed around it. So I pack clothes into those gigantic zip-lock bags and wrap them around it. Anything that is highly breakable and fairly elongated can go in the middle in a Ziploc(tm) or in a screw-top container, etc. If I were to have unlimited funds or if I were arriving at Fry's in my flying car I might buy one for a couple hundred bucks.

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  22. So don't piss off your better half by cdpage · · Score: 1

    A rolled up newspaper over your head is one thing...

  23. Oblig by .sig · · Score: 1

    http://xkcd.com/875/
    Tell younger me I said "Hi".

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  24. Yeah, sort of nice by Thraxy · · Score: 1

    It looks nice and kinda cool. Good concept. I see designers and hipsters as a good target group for this. For us that use the computer for a lot of typing, I don't think a touch keyboard will do the job. I also imagine the horror of that speaker/power-supply entangled in the cable mess under my table. Overall I think it's a fun concept, I wouldn't buy it, but I know people who would.

  25. Re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Excuse me while I whip this out...

  26. curling by CoderFool · · Score: 1

    So how long before the keyboard and screen start curling up and not laying flat anymore? And I guess you won't be able to put it on your lap anymore.

  27. How about projecting when space is a premium? by aix+tom · · Score: 1

    Have a small cube or brick that projects a keyboard (like http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/8193/ ) on the table, and a screen on the wall or on a roll-up screen. The "screen" could even be "touch" enabled via the same sensing technology the projected keyboard uses. For "Laptop" use there could be two dishwasher resistant plastic boards, which could also double as breakfast plates while commuting. ;-P

    Definitely nothing I would want to write a book or code software on, but good enough for weak-point presentations or use on a plane.

  28. Small and large displays. by pavon · · Score: 1

    I didn't care for the design shown in the link at all. It didn't provide any advantages over a laptop, yet was trying to replace one. But I have thought of it before, and I do think it would be a good idea in some situations.

    First some constraints. I don't think this would work well for a laptop; typing on a surface without tactile feedback sucks compared to a real keyboard. So it is limited to tablet-type applications. It would also need a solid core (like a scroll) or even sheath (like a retractable projector screen) to prevent the flexible part from being creased when transported. I imagine all the electronics and batteries being in the core, and just the screen rolling. Finally, for it to have any space-saving properties, the core and screen would both have to be thin.

    I first imagined this being used for large-size eInk devices for reading schematics and floor plans. You really don't wouldn't want to carry around tablet the size of an A1, A2 or A3 paper. You could get away with an A3 surface size by folding in half to A4, but beyond that you need something like an accordion fold or roll-able, and I think roll-able would be better as it doesn't have seams. This could be done now using eInk for the display and the core would be quite small (although annoying to design), considering how the volume of electronics in small eBook readers.

    I could also see it being used for smaller devices. Like a phone or PDA that wrapped around your wrist like a slap-bracelet. This will require further miniaturization before practical, but it isn't' too far away.

    1. Re:Small and large displays. by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      First some constraints. I don't think this would work well for a laptop; typing on a surface without tactile feedback sucks compared to a real keyboard. So it is limited to tablet-type applications.

      I'd say a decent tactile keyboard is very possible. This guy just loves touchscreens. Look at a modern laptop keyboard. The keys are not high, and arranged in rows. You could place hinges in between the rows and have the keyboard roll up with your screen. Since the keys themselves would touch the back of the screen there is no denting in the delicate and flexible screen. But then you couldn't use it the way he did: completely flat with as a drawing screen.

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  29. concept designs are for concepts, by Combatso · · Score: 1

    Everyone flipping out about not wanting to use a roll-up laptop... which is fine, but I think the idea here is to just showcase one small application for roll-up/out technology.. I can think of many places a roll-out screen would be handy... A roll-out GPS map in a car, a roll-out screen for consuming content on the road, like in an RV. Large roll-out displays for use in aerospace, either on a space station where size and weight are key, to on a passenger plane for larger personal video screens.. Personally I want a roll-up screen as blinds on the windows in my house... Sure, I don't want the cartoon-animated one showcased here, partly because it doesnt seem practical, and partly becuase I don't live in toon-town... I prefer my computers to exist before I use them.

  30. Yet another design concept (not a product) by janimal · · Score: 1

    I'm tired of reading about rollup screens. This article is more about a design than an actual device (the video is computer generated). I might just as well be watching Terminator 3 to see how control over fluid metal could look.

    I've seen articles and concept designs of folding and rolling of displays for the past 10 years at least. It's time that this stops making news. The next time this should show up is when someone actually builds one.

  31. The end of newspapers by russotto · · Score: 1

    There was always one thing you could do with a real newspaper that you couldn't do with an iPad or a laptop, and that's train a puppy with it. With these rolled-up laptops, that limitation is gone.

  32. "Rolltop" is a stupid name by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

    A laptop is a computer that can be use atop one's lap. A rolltop suggests to me its light enough to place on your protruding fat rolls without sinking down and being absorbed in your disgusting self.

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  33. Are the screens made of plastic or metal? by Zorque · · Score: 1

    If so (of course they are), enjoy having them break and/or warp due to repeated fatigue on the materials.

  34. Gentoo ricers by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    Does this also unroll your loops?

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  35. Codex by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

    Mod parrent up.

    Also, codexes [i.e. bonded books]are able to access information dynamically [flip to page x] vs. sequentially. [i.e. unbounded books]

    If you want to find a good example of why this matters, look at early Christianity writings vs. Judaism writings on the same subject. Codexes were invented about the same time as Christianity was founded. The Torah is always read linearly on a scroll. The sense of time, relationships to the texts, etc. are very different.

  36. skeptical by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    What you say may have some truth but I seriously doubt that Orkin Design had the inputting of Chinese characters in mind when designing this.

  37. "Germany's Orkin Design" by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    Well, at least we know their design doesn't have any bugs.

  38. linking to that? Sad news day by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    * simpler and smaller than the 'old' one. * more efficient than the 'old' one. * The 'new' one should be able to serve more of our needs in a more better ways. Yes, I want my 'life' to be 'a more' 'better'. Thank 'you' for gouging my brain /. with 'a' rusty screwdriver. And I NEED redundant 'apostrophes'. 'I' live for them'.'

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  39. What would you call such a thing? by steppenwoof · · Score: 1

    Would love it if Apple launched one and called it iRoll. Or better still, iJoint.