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Case Closed On Jerusalem UFO Video
astroengine writes "Skepticism was high after videos surfaced earlier this year depicting a UFO over Jerusalem. However, ufologists defended the sighting, dismissing claims that it was a hoax. But a few days ago, the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), one of the oldest, largest, and most respected UFO investigation organizations in the world, announced their findings about the Jerusalem UFO. Yes, even MUFON has concluded it was a hoax."
Everyone should read this book: A demon haunted world by Carl Sagan
Every era has had their share of unexplained phenomena. Before UFO's there were demons, beasts, witches, etc. The current myth-of-the day is UFO's.
(And I'm not saying they don't exist, just that there might be a simpler reason for all these sightings) :)
"one of the oldest, largest, and most respected UFO investigation organizations in the world"
World's tallest midget, and all that.
Where non-news confirmed to be non-news is news.
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'UFO'* video appears.
Some people offer rational explanation.
People who believe it's a UFO say nu-uh.
Rational people put forth rational explanation
People who believe it's a UFO say nu-uh.
People accept it's a hoax.
At no point the people who believe in UFOs think that maybe if the last 100 sighting were incorrect, then may the idea we are being visited is wrong.
*for the sake of this post UFO means alien visitation.
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A lot of shady dealings and ongoings go about in MUFON's affairs in local level. This has been the discussion of ufology circles in usa numerous times. MUFON has ceased being a reliable organization since a long while.
i dont know where did the article pull that 'reliable' wordage from.
Actually it goes without discussing that cia/nsa any other agency has started to infiltrate mufon looong looong ago as a policy - way too dangerous to be let loose.
If you argue otherwise, i would like to remind you the black ops divide and conquer operation cia mounted to effect wikileaks breakaway :
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/02/10/1243211/Secret-Plan-To-Kill-Wikileaks-With-FUD-Leaked
things like these are commonplace in intelligence world since last 150 years.
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I agree. The city is full of security cameras, full of air defense, and not one of the non tourists with a video camera saw and recorded anything. Unfortunately I have not seen any security camera video of the area showing nothing happened at the same time. I was expecting one to surface, but that too has been absent.
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The link on "Ian O'Neill" leads to the relevant reasons. In short:
1. For a bright object, it's not making on the reflective dome below it shine.
2. Even though several videos came out, considering the location (a popular tourist attraction), there should be even more videos and eyewitness accounts.
3. Two of the videos have evidence of tampering.
http://news.discovery.com/space/jerusalem-ufo-almost-certainly-a-hoax.html
Surely the rational approach would be that until it can definitively be demonstrated as real it must be treated as a hoax. Unfortunately "ufologists" seem to think their pet theories are somehow immune to such an approach, for entirely bullshit reasons.
That right there is the best evidence against.
We've seen a geometric explosion of people carrying camera equipped gadgets all day every day, and still we get points of light against a black background.
So many of the anecdotal accounts describe up close encounters, huge ships hovering 50 feet off the ground or drifting slowly about in no particular hurry to hide or escape detection, all sorts of details visible. Where the phonecam shots of those? Huh? Huh? Huh? Yeah, I thought so.
And, hey, although a hard core skeptic, I would *LOVE* a real photo of an alien ship. The world could do with the punch in the crotch of that magnitude.
The Mexico incident has been thoroughly debunked. They are the flames of oil platforms, being picked up by an IR camera. No mystery there.
As for the Phoenix lights, the second wave have been explained (flares), and the lack of an verifiable explanation for the first wave doesn't mean they were exotic aircraft/spaceships/time-travelling reptilians. Fuck, migratory birds flying in formation cause massive illuminated Vs gliding silently across towns and cities all the time. The human propensity to see structure where there is none quickly extrapolates points of light into solid structures is well-documented, and has not been ruled out at all.
You should have read the link I posted - it explains everything. Live feeds on CNN don't change a thing. The lights didn't move, the camera moved. The lights were very close to the horizon, which is why they looked the way they did. It has been debunked - whether you want to keep on playing Mulder is up to you, just don't pretend you're taking the objective high ground.
Well it's ticked over April 1st in Australia, but there's a few hours to go in the US. So while it's probably not an April's fool joke, it would be very clever and ironic to have a story about a hoax that poked fun at a marginal group, that turned out to be a "joke's on you" non-hoax. It would be the pinnacle of double-negative April Fool's jokes spawning a new genre of April Fool's jokes. I love the complexity and humour and mind-bending second-guesses, but unfortunately I think I've just convinced myself that the ./ mods would *never* be able to concieve such a devious plot.
oh well!
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Carl Sagan and self-labeled "skeptics" are the Penn and Teller's Bullshit to everybody else's Mythbusters.
The mythbusters are skeptics. Adam Savage has made numerous appearances at The Amazing Meeting - the foremost skeptical conference in the world. He's closely allied with the skeptical movement as a whole, and the show in general is a very simple application of skepticism to everyday claims. If you think that "self described skeptics" are philosophically separate from the Mythbusters, you don't understand skepticism. And - as your comment has amply demonstrated - you clearly don't understand Sagan.
The dome does reflect light in the video. The question is that the reflection is completely diffuse and not specular. A gold dome should have at least some specular reflection; this is sign of video tampering.
Check one of the videos in your link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKR1OIQFsFg
It shows how to add diffuse reflections in a picture.
I gotta say this is a nice hoax video; I didn't know it was so easy to add stuff in a video so convincingly
If you're an engineer, you should humbly presuppose that you simply don't know enough what it is, and that most likely whatever observations you made are subject to biases typical of eyewitnesses. If you truly think that it's "interesting" that you don't know what something is (it's unidentified, ha), then you must suffer from horrible obsession of identifying stuff. A lot of the stuff we see is pretty much unidentified, people just don't realize it much. Our brains replace the visual reality with a best fit representation, based on previous experiences. When not actively looking for something odd, our brain will interrupt us only when something is "just too weird"; otherwise it keeps feeding us the best-fit. Go somewhere where it's "visually busy". A park, maybe. A place that you walk through often. Look around. You'll be surprised.
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