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Vatican Warns That Internet Promotes Satanism

Hugh Pickens writes "The Telegraph reports that the Roman Catholic Church has warned that the internet has fueled a surge in Satanism that has led to a sharp rise in the demand for exorcists. 'The internet makes it much easier than in the past to find information about Satanism. In just a few minutes you can contact Satanist groups and research occultism,' says Carlo Climati, a member of the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University in Rome who specializes in the dangers posed to young people by Satanism. Organizers of a six-day conference that has brought together more than 60 Catholic clergy as well as doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, teachers and youth workers, co-sponsored by the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments and the Congregation for Clergy, say the rise of Satanism has been dangerously underestimated in recent years."

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  1. Back at you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Internet Warns That The Vatican Promotes Stupidity.

    1. Re:Back at you. by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They appear to be using "the Internet" as a scapegoat (not to be confused with goatse, but an understandable mistake considering where they often lodge their noggins). People are doing the same shit that they always have but now they can:
      * find it easier on the internet
      * find others who are doing it on the internet
      * blame the internet when they get caught

      Meet the new boogeyman, same s the old boogeyman.

    2. Re:Back at you. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      [Gabriele Amorth] (the "president for life" of the International Association of Exorcists [wikipedia.org]) claimed that the sex abuse scandals which have engulfed the Church in the US, Ireland, Germany and other countries, were proof that the anti-Christ was waging a war against the Holy See. He said Pope Benedict XVI believed "wholeheartedly" in the practice of exorcism.

      That is precisely where the church scapegoats the Internet for the church's own hideous sins. The Internet responsible for the increase in possessions, which is why these exorcists have so many more possessions to exorcise: it's the antichrist's war against the church. The church isn't the cult of baby rape and its coverup, it's the victim of a war by the antichrist.

      The church embraces the scapegoat as a fundamental practice. Why shouldn't it use it to blame someone else for its own sins, someone who doesn't exist except in the church's own propaganda?

      The Slashdot reaction isn't "knee-jerk", a reflex. It's a learned behavior to see through the church's lies and nonsense to find the church's own designed benefit and escape from blame. What's knee-jerk is to ignore proof of the church's guilt even when it's shoved in your face. Not quite a reflex, but a gut reaction trained into us early. The boogeyman doesn't exist, but the church and its crimes do.

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    3. Re:Back at you. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That was basically Satan's argument in Paradise Lost.
      "Ye will not, if I trust
      To know ye right, or if ye know yourselves
      Natives and Sons of Heaven possessed before
      By none, and, if not equal all yet free,
      Equally free; for orders and degrees
      Are not with liberty, but well consist.
      Who can in reason, then, or right, assume
      Monarchy over such as live by right
      His equals; if in power and splendour less,
      In freedom equal? or can introduce
      Law and edict on us, who without law
      Err not? much less for this to be our Lord,
      And look for adoration to the abuse
      Of those imperial titles which assert
      Our being ordained to govern, not to serve!'"


      In essence and in more modern terms: "God is immensely powerful, but just because he is physically capable of beating us all to a bloody pulp if we disobey him doesn't mean he has the right to do so. We deserve to run our own lives, not just to do as God decrees because he is big enough to enforce his will by violence."
      Satan goes on to run the first uprising, and is promptly schooled on just what 'omnipotence' means in the form of the divine smackdown.

    4. Re:Back at you. by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's a whole bunch of people who call themselves Satanists who really don't actually believe in Christ (or even actually Satan) for that matter. If a group can appropriate the name of someone they don't believe in and use it in their religion, I would think that its certainly possible for others to follow the teachings of that same entity and call him something else, or even deny his existence entirely. That's what we call results-oriented diabolism.

      Obviously, if you didn't start out as a Christian or in a Christan-influenced area, you probably wouldn't use the terminology. Still, that's like when the Native Americans called European ships "giant birds" or whatever when they first saw them. They didn't have a word for ocean-going ship and no previous way to pick one up from the Europeans, so they made something up. That doesn't mean they weren't talking about ships. If you follow certain practices, then you are following Satanist practices, even if you say that you are actually following Zamfir, Master of the Pan Flute.

      Catholicism does not split things down into the line of good and evil. Having had to sit through Catholic education, I know that's more the realm of Manichaeism, which is definitely not Christianity. Catholics believe in one creation, and they do not believe in the equality of good and evil in Creation. Good is more powerful than evil and will always triumph. The only thing that gives evil the illusion of being equivalent to good is that free will allows humans the freedom to select evil if they want to, which tends to make it seem like just two equivalent choices in voting booth. Once selected, however, evil always either falls short of the promises, and sometimes, even some unintended good comes out of it because good is more powerful. So the teaching goes, in any event.

      As for Satan, my understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches are as follows:

      * Satan is real and a distinct entity. He was created by God and therefore subject to God's rules. Apparently, he is/was an angel, and so our understanding of his existence and his motivations are limited. He is supernatural, but limited, so he doesn't need a TV to lie to you, but he can't actually create things.
      * Satan can't make you do anything. Your God-given free will must be respected by him just as much as by any one else.
      * Satan can tempt you. That is to say, he's allowed to promote his way of life vigorously and by any means other than removing your free choice. This means that he's probably the world's first, and by far the best, global marketing/advertising firm.
      * You can choose to let Satan into your life and in that manner, he can do the whole possession thing. Apparently, Satan and his underlings, being real and supernatural, do have the ability to manifest, but likely if very specifically allowed in. My understanding is that you generally need to have made some sort of choice to allow that to happen. Perhaps even a specific set of choices, the practices therein referred to collectively as "Satanism".

      Okay, well, that's probably too much for someone who doesn't actually believe in God to bother with, but I think its important to realize that there is an entire set of logical premises out there that you accept if you are actually a Catholic. Having Satan exist may seem like an externalization of blame, but he's only an externalization if he's not actually real. If he's real, he's out there doing things, and those things are the Church's job to oppose. Either way, it seems to me that self-discipline IS what they are teaching: you have the choice to not be a Satanist, and no one can force you to be one, not even Satan himself.

    5. Re:Back at you. by RobertM1968 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [quote]The Vatican stated fact: you have more "Satanists" because there is more information about it available to everyone.[/quote]

      The Father in the article admits that the number of "posessions" is very small, so is it really worth convening 60 church officials for a week to talk about what he considered to be a small problem? In regards to the demon possessions, I wouldn't be surprised if they're all just untreated severe mental disorders or chemical problems.

      I think it's more likely to be a deliberate distraction from the internal problems they are having.

      The number of possessions is actually ZERO. I guess that qualifies as "very small". The thinking that people are becoming possessed is simply nonsense that the Vatican is promoting ON the Internet (or promoted on their "behalf" on the Internet) - but it's still nonsense. Part of the problem is that various sects of Christianity promote (in various places, including online) that people can excuse their baser or more vile actions by blaming it on the devil - which leads us right to situations like this.

      It's not the Internet that's the problem - it's the church.

    6. Re:Back at you. by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lucifer was always the "light bringer" - from latin "lux" the light and "ferre" to carry. So it is the light bringer or the light bearer, but not the light maker. Of course, he was an angel of god, and I completely agree that most of the mythology is not biblical, but derived from Milton and Dante - the whole doctrine of hell is not biblical, but rather heretic, come to think of it. Then you got a lot of conflation if arabic ibis/shaitan demonology to top it off...

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  2. Internet promotes Christianity by data2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The internet says that it also promotes christianity, using the same arguments. Within minutes you can research churches, bible groups and also contact them...

    1. Re:Internet promotes Christianity by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But they want to be the ONLY faith that you can read or talk about.

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    2. Re:Internet promotes Christianity by wonkavader · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're not protestants. You don't read about religion. That's not your role. You go to church and get information from a priest, who has a greater connection to God through the hierarchy of the Church, which has at it's head God, and right below that the pope, with whom he has conversations daily.

      OK, it's a pre-Vatican-two sort of world-view, but it's historically that of the Catholic church.

    3. Re:Internet promotes Christianity by ZankerH · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Protestants and evangelicals are the Open Source of christianity - everyone gets their revelations from the sky wizard directly and interprets the scripture as they see fit. Catholics are the Microsoft, with the clergy excercising complete control over the minutest details of their faith and telling everyone else what to believe. When the source code is available, it's in obscure languages and obfuscated as can be.

    4. Re:Internet promotes Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That sounds more like Apple, apart from the source code part

      Apple is more like scientology - first class marketing campaign, minimum of choices and very very expensive.

    5. Re:Internet promotes Christianity by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      How dare you? The Catholic Church is nothing like Apple! One group follows an infallible leader whose every word is considered gospel.

      The other lot's boss wears a funny hat and lives in Rome.

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    6. Re:Internet promotes Christianity by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Catholics are encouraged to read the Bible.

      They are now, but only because the Catholic church finally admitted that it lost a hundred-year-long fight to prevent them from doing so. During that period, people were tortured and burned for suggesting that reading the bible was a good idea for christians. They were branded heretics, and the catholic church argued that anyone other than a priest who read the bible would fail to understand it correctly and would become a heretic (whose soul could only be saved by burning them alive).

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  3. They are afraid of an educated populance by earthforce_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They can't control the flow of information and keep the people in check through ignorance like they used to. Much harder to cover up church scandals like pedophile priests with the internet available to a wide population.

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    1. Re:They are afraid of an educated populance by Sprouticus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "They haven't had the luxury of ignorance or the power to control information for many, many years"

      Tell that to the people in Africa and South America. There is a reason that the Church is growing in areas of low educaiton and high ignorance and poverty. They share their brand of salvation and afterlife to make people feel better about their shitty lives now.

      Same thing applies to Islam.

      You never grew up in the church, you apparently are not familiar with their tactics. By 'warning' the faithful, they actually intend to scare those who may already be uncomfortable with using the web (older folks, the uneducated or undereducated, etc).

      Make no mistake, this is a direct reaction to the sex scandals.

      Before you start stomping on others for modding something, perhaps you should do a little legwork. I know this is slashdot, but judging the validity of the opinions of others invites a very negative response.

  4. Stop laughing, start confronting. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While most of Slashdot it is laughing I think we should be taking this as a serious issue and find ways to confront it. We may think the religion is full of ignorants, but they can still have geek kids who get abused and treated badly because they want to play D&D or play some video games. For those who remember Columbine and how geeks got treated, keep that mentality but instead of it just being a small part of your life it becomes your entire life. Your family, friends and everyone you know is calling you a devil worshipper because you want to tell and story and roll some dice.

    Stop laughing and start looking for the tears. These people are ruining children's lives and we should be supporting them not laughing at their abusers from a high horse.

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  5. Gutenberg by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hrm, where have we heard this one before?

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  6. Unintended Consequences by GoodBuddy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The internet facilitates people of like minds finding each other. This could be people working for good causes and people working for evil causes. People have found each other through networks for long periods of time. The internet just makes it easier. This can be scary. It helps domestic terrorists find each other and it helps Christians find each other. And whether something is bad or good can be debated. I work with a long existent LGBT rights organization in developing their internet strategy. Our blog isn't one of the real popular ones that has thousands of readers a day (such as Joe My God) but the people who do read us are important people. Who then cite our views on the situation in various news articles in dead tree publishing. But our opponents, who I refer to collectively as Anti-Gay, Inc., are equally as engaged with promoting their views on the internet. But our supporters are younger while the opponents supporters are older and less savvy with technology. This issue of enabling bad people to find each other is one of the unintended consequences of technology. Sort of like how the automobile was originally a technology to promote a cleaner enviroment.

  7. Internet Warns that Vatican Promotes Pedophilia by moxley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Internet Warns that Vatican Promotes Pedophilia

  8. My invisible friend.... by Tanuki64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is good. Yours is evil.

  9. Methodology by retroworks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reading the story... the evidence provided is that demand for exorcists has increased. This, according to the Church, suggests that Satanism is on the increase - the same as an increase in sales of flu medicine may indicate increase in illness. To explain the rise in demand for treatment of Satanic possession, they formulate the theory that the internet could have promoted Satanism, increasing demand for exorcists. An alternative explanation would be that exorcists formerly could only advertise in very large markets - not in the yellow pages of rural areas. With the increase in internet, victims of Satan have wider access to exorcists, who defeat Lucifer in areas where he formerly established safe harbors. Therefore the Internet promotes Exorcism, not Satanism. And flu medicine sales may indicate meth labs are also on the increase in rural areas, which could also increase demand for exorcists. Personally, I find crackheads scarier than Satan.

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  10. Re:That Wouldn't Be A Bad Way To Go by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I've heard of a few problems with young Muslim girls being married off to older men. But I think this is tribalism, not a feature of the specific faith (the offshoot Mormon cults tend to behave in a similar manner). Isolate a population from the moderating influences of society, and the village elders are free to look for whatever excuse is available to pounce on young tail (boys, girls, whatever).

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  11. Re:Actually by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget to count int the thousands if not more "Saints" and the dozens of Angels they "pray to".

    angel'o'sphere

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  12. Re:Actually by twidarkling · · Score: 5, Informative

    Except according to Christianity, Satan isn't a god, he's a fallen angel, and doesn't have godly powers (omnipotence and omniscience). He's unable to create something from nothingness, for instance. Thus, according to their beliefs, there is only one god.

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  13. No, the Church didn't say that. by rac44 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It must be the silly season for the Telegraph newspaper: the Vatican didn't say anything about satanism.

    The statement didn't come from any Church office, or any cardinal, bishop, or spokesman for the Church. The speaker, Carlo Climati, is a journalist who spoke at a conference at the Catholic university where he works in Rome.

    Some reporters can't tell the difference between an official church spokesman and Some Guy in Rome, or even Some Priest in Rome, but what do you expect from the press: distinctions? We don't need no stinking distinctions!

    Besides, the guy's probably right! If the net has made communication and collaboration easier for jihadist bombers, white supremacists, Democrats, and other horrible people, who's to say it didn't help satanists too?