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US Government Domain Seizures Failing Miserably

ktetch-pirate writes "Operation In Our Sites, a US Government-led domain seizure action to deal with piracy, is pretty much a failure. TorrentFreak has examined a significant number of sites that have gone on pretty much unhindered, despite the seizures. Already some questions have been asked about the constitutionality of the seizures, and the evidence used as justification, but it seems the end results weren't as good as boasted either."

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  1. "Questions asked about constitutionality." by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny
  2. tl;dr by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 3, Informative

    In summary, what this article seems to be saying is, "The lobbyists are not doing a good enough job of pushing for pan-governmental Internet control."

    You should also check out just how free the states were 150 years ago from Federal control.

    But this is Internet speed.

    Give it 15 years.

    1. Re:tl;dr by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think what you mean is:

      "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore.

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    2. Re:tl;dr by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Government interprets freedom fighters as terrorists and shoots into them.

      The missing ingredients are technology and jurisdiction.

      Slashdotters and the like are providing the former; lawyers and politicians the latter.

    3. Re:tl;dr by mr100percent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tor is useless if you can't even get an IP address. They were likely using dialup to other countries

    4. Re:tl;dr by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only difference between a "freedom fighter" and a "terrorist" is that a freedom fighter is on the same side as the speaker, while a terrorist is on the other side.

      Similar rules apply to the difference between "torture" and "enhanced interrogation", and a host of other terms regularly used in news and politics.

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  3. Rojadirecta.es by Cigarra · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course it's a failure. Everyone I know went from using Rojadirecta.com to Rojadirecta.es to watch soccer games online. Not a problem at all.

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  4. The war on drugs is a failure too... so? by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The practice of seizure of land, cash and other assets based only on suspicion of connection with illegal drugs is still going on to this day. It is riddled with constitutional problems and yet here we are, decades later, the practice still going on.

    The airport screening efforts, though more "formalized" only exposes the stupidity of the whole thing. By most definitions, a failure but it continues.

    It's nice to identify things as not working, but it has to be admitted to be a failure by the people who made it happen and then stopped. It is not a failure as it represents to the public "we are doing the best we can" so that the question "why didn't you try something?" gets asked, they can point to this -- failure or not -- as an attempt to "do something."

  5. To sum it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    - Violation of the right to due process: domain owners who are victim of the US government are not given explanations and they are expected to prove their innocence if they want their domain back. Not only is this unfair, but whatever country you live in you really do need to worry when your government rapes its Constitution and laws and decides it can do as it pleases. On top of this, it created a huge loophole where those seizures could be used to target specific people, businesses or websites for reasons those seizures were not made for.
    - Too many errors, some very serious. Not only were innocent websites taken over, but some of them were outright falsely accused of hosting pedophile content - this damage is impossible to fix, even if a judge rules the accusation was a mistake your reputation will forever suffer from this.
    - Taking over "US-owned" domains failed miserably - foreign 'illegal' websites were still doing fine (as the present article says)
    - Taking over domains was inconsistent and arbitrary: some were prime targets while others were ignored for no apparent reasons. I don't know about the USA but many countries require the authorities to treat crime equally and logically. In those countries more serious offenders can get priority, but it would not be OK to seize a domain because the website hosted one song while another websites that hosts thousands of songs is ignored. Selective Justice should not happen, everyone must respect the same laws and must respect them equally.

  6. Re:Not a failure by Entrope · · Score: 4, Informative

    You want citations?

    Read any of Radley Balko's reporting on the War on Drugs (the "Studies" section of that page is a good place to start).

    Reason Magazine has a number of articles on how asset forfeiture laws let cops seize things from innocent people and keep them (or auction the things to buy new toys), and how little traction the victims of the seizures get from the legal system.

    If you would like more general examples, read this book.