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Ask Slashdot: Would You Take a Pay Cut To Telecommute?

coondoggie writes "IT pros want to telecommute — so much so that more than one-third of those surveyed by Dice.com said they would take a pay cut for the chance to work full time from home. In a survey conducted by the careers site, 35% of technology professionals said they would sacrifice up to 10% of their salaries for full-time telecommuting. The average tech pro was paid $79,384 last year, according to Dice's annual salary survey, which means a 10% pay cut is equivalent to $7,900 on average."

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  1. Yes by fadethepolice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you factor in commute time, gas and car maintenance, the need for 2 cars for family ,child care and office politics it's definitely a pay raise.

    1. Re:Yes by MikeyO · · Score: 3, Informative

      what does child care have to do with it? I telecommute, but it doesn't affect how much I have to spend on child care. its not like you can do a job effectively while also caring for children.

    2. Re:Yes by adonoman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why not? They're at school most of the day, and once home they spend the rest of the afternoon doing homework. Rather than having to find childcare for a couple of hours before and after school each day, I can just make sure they know I'm in my office downstairs if something bad happens. Days when I work from home are significantly quieter than days when I go in to work and have to deal with all the people at the office.

    3. Re:Yes by LordNimon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not? They're at school most of the day, and once home they spend the rest of the afternoon doing homework.

      You obviously don't have children. Your plan only works if all children are at least 10 years old. I have a six-year-old, and there's no way he can entertain himself for three hours every day, unless he watches TV or plays video games the whole time.

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    4. Re:Yes by bhagwad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They should pay me to work from home! After all, if there's no need for a huge office and staff etc. they save a shitload of money

    5. Re:Yes by m.ducharme · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, for people smart enough not to have kids,

      Nice.

      Thankfully, if you're smart enough, the rest of us won't have to worry about you polluting the gene pool.

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    6. Re:Yes by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not sure I'm reading you right but fyi my 5 year old goes outside to play with the neighborhood kids throughout the 4 seasons. In winter they make snow forts, etc. They run and play through our typical suburban neighborhood all afternoon. I whistle when it's time for dinner. He also toasts his own waffles, and makes his own simple lunches (half day kindergarten) picks out his own clothes to wear, helps watch his little sister when I'm working at home, and generally has a lot of independence. He turns 6 this week. You say your kid is 7 and can't play outside by himself??
      You really really need to check out FreeRangeKids.com. Do him a favor that will help him his whole life and go there now.

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    7. Re:Yes by stephathome · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to agree with you. My 5 year old gained so much confidence when I started letting him go to his friends' houses on his own, not even accompanied by his big sister. Best thing ever for kids is to teach them to roam without your direct supervision, neighborhood conditions permitting.

      Having friends over works pretty well too so long as they aren't the sort to constantly argue. I love finding ways for my kids to have fun without me so I get peace and quiet to get some work done.

      FRK is a great resource.

    8. Re:Yes by aminorex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      my experience has been that telecommuters fall into 3 categories: 20% are bums, and need to be fired. 5% are typical workers who like the flexibility. 75% are insanely ambitious and should be paid more, not less, because the time saved commuting goes directly into productivity, plus they never have to stop working, so they put in way more than full days.

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    9. Re:Yes by cjb658 · · Score: 3, Funny

      s/"smart enough"/"not desirable enough to the opposite sex"

    10. Re:Yes by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "typical suburban neighborhood" ... "You say your kid is 7 and can't play outside by himself??"

      Do you even lock your doors? Do you realize that most cities are not like this, and statistically, most humans live in cities?

      I dont think anyone who lives in the country has anything to worry about letting their kids play out side. You do realize you are the exception here dont you? Im not sure how it is in USA but here you need to be 12+ to be left home alone, legally. A kid playing in the parking lot of my condo tower is quite far away from my home indeed.

      Do you think people want to live in cities? do you think they want to live in condos??? with a family? You are living a charmed life so dont be hating. hell you get to work from HOME...

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  2. Sounds like they have the wrong priority by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really, I would think that the company themselves should be willing to pay more for someone who telecommutes, due to needing less facility needs (space, cubicles, utilities) that would be saved from allowing telecommuting. And there is the added benefit of making sure all the equipment can be administered via telecommuting as you can then simply call up the IT group(s) and they can fix the problem from home without waiting the upwards of a hour that it would take to bring someone in to flip a switch/enter a password.

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    1. Re:Sounds like they have the wrong priority by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that most organization have no way of actually tracking productivity, so they pay people basically for being on site for X hours a day. Meaning that anybody who isn't filling a chair for X hours a day will be suspected of not pulling their own weight. Pay people for what they actually accomplish, instead of just for being there, and telecommuting looks a lot better.

      In IT, there is another problem... ever try rebooting a server while logged into it remotely? Hint: All the connections go away the moment you reboot it. A lot of sites require that you either physically be on site, or take home with you thousands of dollars worth of equipment.

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    2. Re:Sounds like they have the wrong priority by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 5, Informative

      In IT, there is another problem... ever try rebooting a server while logged into it remotely? Hint: All the connections go away the moment you reboot it. A lot of sites require that you either physically be on site, or take home with you thousands of dollars worth of equipment.

      Someone hasn't been keeping up with their enterprise grade equipment management. Just about every major vendor has a solution for this exact problem. I have over 500 servers at my work which I can shutdown, reboot, change BIOS settings, or fsck hard drives all remotely. Sun/Oracle has their ALOM/ILOM. Dell has the iDrac Enterprise. HP has their iLO. IBM has their Remote Management Agent.

      Basically they are computers within the computer, with their own separate CPU, network, and OS, which lets you fully manage the production server by giving you the ability to show the console/display of the device send keyboad/mouse commands even at the pre-POST screen of the server itself (just like if you were physically at the keyboard/monitor attached to the system).

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  3. Depends on company by mlts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In some companies, telecommuters tend to be forgotten about. This means that Jack Brown-Nose who comes in and does almost nothing will always be seen by the boss and keep an impression, while the co-workers who are at home actually working are invisible. End result: Jack tends to have an edge when it comes to promotions, or even keeping the job.

  4. Yes.. well... no.. but no but yes by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've telecommuted for 5 of the past 6 years.
    I've saved thousands of Pounds on the commute into London.
    I can spend more time in the morning in bed.
    But
    You have to be comfortable with your own company.
    It can get lonely.
    You need the heating on all day in Winter.

    On the whole it is great.
    Now... If I had a job it would be great. If said job offered me the opportunity to work from home then even better
    At the moment, this is all wishful thinking though.

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    1. Re:Yes.. well... no.. but no but yes by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      On the bright side, if you telecommute you can be getting a blowjob while working at your computer! Try doing that at work! (I did... does anybody know of any companies hiring programmers in the Portland, Oregon area?)

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  5. Daycares by CriminalNerd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think some working families throw their children into daycares during the day after school (if the kids go to school) until they come home from work. I hear daycares can cost a lot too.

  6. Careful what you wish for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pro tip: If your job can be done from your house, it can be done from India.

    1. Re:Careful what you wish for by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you're saying I could move to india after starting to telecommute? Sweet.

    2. Re:Careful what you wish for by bennomatic · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, what the GP is saying is that you could hire somebody in India to do your job for you and take on a second job in all your spare time.

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  7. No by Rurik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You save money on time and logistics, but you also have to create a work area in your home. Certain organizations have sqft requirements. You also need to establish locked areas to hold files and documents. And, ultimately, you're no longer allowed to check-out. With a standard job you are expected to be responsive during your normal work hours (say 9--5:30). With telecommuting the work hours shift and you will easily find yourself on call 12 hours a day. Additionally, you lose camaraderie with your coworkers, a chance to hunker down and drive through projects faster, and possible extensive delays in communications.

    Then factor in the possibility of children banging down the door to play, and the guilt you feel by having to shuffle them out to finish a project. Then a spouse who takes advantage of you "being there" for babysitting, phone calls, emotional chats, and I'd rather be at work during the day.

    1. Re:No by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Honey, I'm not here, I'm at work".

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  8. Not Me by Greenisus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work for Rackspace full time from home, and I'm paid the same as I would be at the office. Whether I work from home or not is ultimately irrelevant, because the most important variable of all is loving your job. I work where I do because it is a truly amazing place to work.

    That said, volunteering a pay cut is risky business. Your salary is a gauge of how much your company values you, so you should try to get as much as you possibly can.

    A few things to keep in mind:

    1. If you telecommute, it's also cheaper for the employer (less electricity, water, bandwidth, etc)
    2. If you take a pay cut, any time you get a raise it's going to be less than it could have been, since most companies do raises as a percentage of your current salary
    3. The downside of working exclusively from home is that it's easier to not get noticed. If you're not getting much face time with your peers, you better be doing some amazing work

  9. Just remember... by C3ntaur · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you can telecommute full time and do your job from the comfort of home, then so can anyone in the world. You're now competing with folks who would be happy to have your job at 10% of what you're paid -- not just a 10% discount!

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    1. Re:Just remember... by internerdj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm a software developer. A couple of years ago I interviewed with a small VOIP startup. The owner was Indian. He was replacing the positions he had outsourced in India with American developers because even with no cultural or language clashes he had trouble getting the level of quality he expected. While I'm sure it isn't the case with every position or every foreign subcontractor, the man was quite irrate that he was in fact getting what he was paying for.

  10. On the contraary by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 3, Funny

    I work from home sometimes with a wife and four kids. I'd take a pay cut to be forced to go into the office.

  11. Re:not logical by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Rebooting a server .. not so much. All our servers have lights-out management or are VMs. And if you're paying me to swap a stick of RAM, you're paying over the odds.

    And I can prove that I score better on certain productivity metrics while I work at home (like hours worked, lines of code committed, etc). Whereas when I'm in the office I have to content with a noisy open-plan designed to destroy productivity, and I have to skip out of the door at 1700 sharp to catch my ride home, instead of being able to stick with any problem that requires my extended attention until my daughter gets home from school.

    So on the whole, I think it would be fair play to pay me the same, even though I'm actually providing more value for less cost to the enterprise, because I also benefit from it - I can do things like slip out for a run in my lunch hour that I would never be able to do at work.

  12. Re:not logical by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can work in the buff and no one knows, except Slashdot I guess.

    Unless you forget to turn off your webcam.

    I had a glorious couple of months telecommuting till the "incident". There was some fall out, and psychological care needed for some in the conference room.

    Later on, some people told me that watching me via webcam (when I knew it was on) was like watching evolution backwards. After a month and half they wondered if I just sat a semi-shaved ape in front of the monitor with a banana.

  13. Green Programs by codepunk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The absolute best money the govt could put forward towards green initiatives is a heavy tax break based on number of telecommuters employed by a company.

    It is absolutely absurd the amount of fuel I waste every year to unplug from my network at home just to drive to work to plug back in and perform the same job. In fact there are very few people in my office that really could not perform their job full time from home.

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  14. How will we communicate? by burris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd love to work at home but then how would I communicate with my co-workers?

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  15. ROWE my friends by nsxdavid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Telecompute is so.... 90s. I hate to say it. But we've moved past that.

    The future is ROWE. Results Oriented Work Environment. In a ROWE only results matter. Not how you get it done, or where you get it do it.

    In essence, if you can get your work done from a tropical island (with good wifi), then by all means do it. You are not paid for putting your butt in a seat, but rather for your productivity.

    ROWE treats employees as adults who know how to manage their own time. Telecommuting, "flex time" and the like are just ways of rewarding employees with what they should already have... control over their lives.

    ROWE came out of a successful experiment at Best Buy (HQ not retail stores). Its been adopted by a lot of big name companies, including Netflix.

    To learn more, check out: http://gorowe.com/

    I switched my company to ROWE last year after months of due diligence. And we've never looked back.

    David

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