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Remembering the Apple I

harrymcc writes "This month marks the 35th anniversary of Apple--and the 35th anniversary of the Apple I, its first computer. It was a single-board computer that was unimaginably more rudimentary than any modern Mac — it didn't even come with a case and keyboard standard — but in its design, sales and marketing, we can see the beginnings of the Apple approach that continues to this day. I'm celebrating with a look at this significant machine."

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  1. ahh, the good ole days by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Informative

    When Apple hardware was open. Apple ][ computers had their wiring diagram on the inside of the lid (which required no screws to open!). 8 slots, baby, *eight*, to fill with whatever you wanted. No voiding the warranty by opening it up, etc. I later went Amiga and didn't look back until recently. I got a nice ROM 03 Apple //gs on eBay, and even got a nice TransWarp GS card for it. Hot stuff! :)

    Never was a fan of Macs. *shrug*

    1. Re:ahh, the good ole days by perpenso · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When Apple hardware was open. Apple ][ computers had their wiring diagram on the inside of the lid (which required no screws to open!). 8 slots, baby, *eight*, to fill with whatever you wanted. No voiding the warranty by opening it up, etc. I later went Amiga and didn't look back until recently. I got a nice ROM 03 Apple //gs on eBay, and even got a nice TransWarp GS card for it. Hot stuff! :) Never was a fan of Macs. *shrug*

      I've owned a few Macs over the years and some models had slots, easy opening cases, no warranty issues with 3rd party cards, etc. This is still true for towers.

      Other Macs are sealed boxes. Just like the laptop PCs that represent the majority of the computer marketplace. As a nerd I have an affinity for things I can tweak but I have to admit this represents a minority opinion and that sealed boxes make sense for typical users (cost reductions, simplified supply chain, etc).

    2. Re:ahh, the good ole days by mfnickster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've owned a few Macs over the years and some models had slots, easy opening cases, no warranty issues with 3rd party cards, etc.

      Yep, my first computer was a Power Mac 7500, with an outer case that slid off by pressing two buttons, and the power supply and drives tilted to the right to reveal the motherboard. Best case I ever worked with.

      Funny, though, those 'open' Macs only appeared after Jobs was gone!

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    3. Re:ahh, the good ole days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny, though, those 'open' Macs only appeared after Jobs was gone!

      Yeah, and the NeXT didn't have any slots, nor did it use standard tech (TCP/IP, Postscript, ...) to interact with the world.

      Oh, wait...

    4. Re:ahh, the good ole days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There was also the entire lines of PowerMac G3, G4s, G5s, and the current Mac Pros, that all have easy-open sides and standardized card slots.

      But y'know, I'm sure there's a conspiracy somewhere.

    5. Re:ahh, the good ole days by shmlco · · Score: 2

      There was, however, an electrical diagram in the red book....

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    6. Re:ahh, the good ole days by perpenso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny, though, those 'open' Macs only appeared after Jobs was gone!

      The tower form factor Power Macs (G3 and up) and the Mac Pros will open, have slots, etc. Jobs seems just fine with the models targeting "professionals" to be designed to be worked on by end users. Jobs' pre-Mac baby, the Lisa (1983), had slots IIRC. The Lisa was also targeted towards "professionals".

    7. Re:ahh, the good ole days by erice · · Score: 2

      Funny, though, those 'open' Macs only appeared after Jobs was gone!

      Funny? I'm have trouble finding citation but, as I recall, one of the points of friction between Jobs and Scully at the time of Job's departure was over whether to open up the Macintosh. Jobs was against it. Despite putting slots in the NeXT cubes, I think he still prefers Macs be closed. The first Macs to show the Jobs influence after his return to Apple were the iMacs. Closed again.

    8. Re:ahh, the good ole days by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      (cost reductions).

      This is Apple we're talking about.

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    9. Re:ahh, the good ole days by perpenso · · Score: 2

      (cost reductions)

      This is Apple we're talking about.

      Cost reductions not price reductions. Costs are what Apple pays for components, assembly, shipping, etc. :-)

    10. Re:ahh, the good ole days by macs4all · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple ][ computers had their wiring diagram on the inside of the lid

      WTF are you smoking, and can I have some?

      Apple ][ computers NEVER had a schematic (or anything else) on the inside of the lid. The schematic was in the "Red Book"; but not on the lid.

      And I think I know from experience. Not only do I OWN an Apple 1; but the first Apple ][ I ever saw/programmed was s/n 0013 (!!!). It was part of the first production run. So old it didn't even have the "cooling slots" in the top!

      And subsequently, I sold Apple ][s for a couple of years, and they didn't have a schematic on the lid, either...

      I'm not sure what computer you are think of; but it is not an Apple ][.

    11. Re:ahh, the good ole days by Spliffster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Funny, though, those 'open' Macs only appeared after Jobs was gone!

      Funny? I'm have trouble finding citation but, as I recall, one of the points of friction between Jobs and Scully at the time of Job's departure was over whether to open up the Macintosh. Jobs was against it. Despite putting slots in the NeXT cubes, I think he still prefers Macs be closed. The first Macs to show the Jobs influence after his return to Apple were the iMacs. Closed again.

      Here is a nice story told by Andy Hertzfeld (The main software developer for the macintosh's os) which clearly states that jobs did not want to have any expansion slots in the macintosh (funny read):

      http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Diagnostic_Port.txt

    12. Re:ahh, the good ole days by digitalaudiorock · · Score: 2

      Believe it or not, I'm still regularly using a Protools MixPlus studio built around a PowerMac 9600/350. It's been working flawlessly running the same OS 9.0.4 I installed when I built the studio 11 years ago. That computer is built like a tank, and yea, the case is like opening up luggage.

    13. Re:ahh, the good ole days by quacking+duck · · Score: 2

      The current iMac form factor was reasonably open until 2005, i.e. you could open it up and access the internals pretty easily. Starting in 2006 though, it became a nightmare to self-service, because you now had to get at things from the front, instead of from the back. Getting at the hard drive (it was fine, but bad capacitors rendered the system itself dead) required removing just about every damn component first, when it should be one of the easiest things to get at.

    14. Re:ahh, the good ole days by dzfoo · · Score: 2

      In Jobs' defense, he saw the personal computer in the same light as a toaster: an appliance for the masses, which the user need not know nor care how it works.

      The iMac fulfills this role beautifully. Users buy them, take them home, and just turn them on to use them.

      Regular people do not upgrade their toasters. They use them until they break, then buy a new one, plug it in, and make toast.

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  2. Still around today by asm2750 · · Score: 2
  3. A machine ahead of its time by NixieBunny · · Score: 3, Informative

    The other computers that could be purchased at that time had rows of LEDs and switches on their front panels, and they needed them. The Apple was quite sophisticated for a single board computer - Altair and IMSAI used that many ICs just to make a CPU chip talk to a bus.

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  4. Yay new media! by alexmogil · · Score: 2

    Article: 13 pages! Oh, good, some content!

    10 words and a pic, NEXT. 13 words and a pic, NEXT. 10 words and a pic.

    Close.

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  5. Re:ahh, the good ole money. by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 2

    Depends on how you measure success. Apple only has 10% of the PC market share in the US, true. BUt they have 95% of the $1000 and over PC market. Apple's margins, market cap and balance sheet scoff at your statement. All the way to the bank.

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  6. Apple ][ responsible for Bender by frankmu · · Score: 2

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/processors/the-truth-about-benders-brain I didn't realize that Apple would be responsible for Bender's MOS 6502 brain. Apparently David X Cohen programmed assembly for the Apple ][ in high school.

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  7. Re:My favorite Apple contribution to society is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    (heresay following, I may be wrong) At one point Steve Jobs said it is cool for 3rd party developers to make applications.

    And followed it with "But we'll take 30%".

  8. Most Hackable Computer by Sarusa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had schematics for the ][ and the entire annotated source code for that and Apple DOS 3.2/3.3. And these weren't pirate, Apple happily published them. Woz was a freaking genius with how much he did with so little hardware.

    You wanted to add lower case? Just run this wire here. Optionally bypass the write protect for floppies? Just put a three pole switch here. You want to extend the BASIC? Sure, here's these hooks (and Beagle Brothers made insane use of that).

    The Apple I was the prototype for that and I salute it. I never had one, though of course now I wish I did!

    Also funny how it's utterly unlike the Apple of today. I remember when the first Mac came out, completely unexpandable, and The Steve declared that it would never have more than 128K of RAM because that was more than enough for anyone. Which was ridiculous, because my Apple ][ had 16x that much already.

    Yes I'm old.

    1. Re:Most Hackable Computer by macs4all · · Score: 2

      I had schematics for the ][ and the entire annotated source code for that and Apple DOS 3.2/3.3.

      I can go one better: I actually assembled DOS 3.3 on a regular basis, and made several, several modifications to same, all the way down to the RWTS (Read-Write Track and Sector) and Nibble-handling routines.

      In fact, I created a custom version of Randy Wigginton's TED-II Weekend Assembler that could assemble to and from disk; because that was the ONLY way you could assemble something as huge as DOS...

      And these weren't pirate, Apple happily published them.

      BZZT! Wrong! Apple didn't sue the shit out of the people who DID publish the source. I think it was the Apple Pugetsound guys (the "CALL A.P.P.L.E." user group, or maybe it was Bob Sander-Cederlof...); but it WAS at least partially "pirated" (actually, disassembled from object code). IIRC, the DOS 3.3 manual had some bits and pieces of source; but certainly NOT the entire source code listing.

      Woz was a freaking genius with how much he did with so little hardware.

      You'll get no quibble from me on that point!!!

      You wanted to add lower case? Just run this wire here. Optionally bypass the write protect for floppies? Just put a three pole switch here. You want to extend the BASIC? Sure, here's these hooks (and Beagle Brothers made insane use of that).

      So did I. I even created a virtual-memory and Applesoft BASIC "Overlay" system using that wonderful "Ampersand" hook!!!

      The Apple I was the prototype for that and I salute it. I never had one, though of course now I wish I did!

      Not to brag; but I do... Had it since 1976. One owner (me).

      Also funny how it's utterly unlike the Apple of today. I remember when the first Mac came out, completely unexpandable, and The Steve declared that it would never have more than 128K of RAM because that was more than enough for anyone.

      Actually, that was a price-point decision. RAM wasn't so cheap back then...

      Which was ridiculous, because my Apple ][ had 16x that much already.

      Your Apple ][ had 2 MB of RAM?!?! Where did you put the auxiliary power supply?!? Perhaps you mean Apple IIgs, right?

      Yes I'm old.

      Bet I'm older...

  9. Beginnings of the Apple style... by julesh · · Score: 2

    ... including the claim that its 16 bit address bus allowed expansion to 65K of memory. /me didn't realise the use of decimal rather than binary capacity multipliers in marketing claims was so old.

  10. Re:ahh, the good ole money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-91-share-of-premium-computer-market-research-firm-says-2009-7

  11. Re:Kickass CPU by perpenso · · Score: 2

    The 6502 and 8088 are unrelated.
    The 68000 in the Mac was PDP-11 like.

    6502 was my first assembly language, 68000 my second and then I had the assembly language class at the university and we used the PDP-11. Afterwards I did x86 (16-bit). I expect that if I had started with x86 I would have hated assembly language like everyone else. For those of you thinking x86 is not so bad, let me guess, you started in the 32-bit era? :-)

  12. Re:Kickass CPU by macs4all · · Score: 2

    The 6502 processor was fast, clean and easy to program. My first assembly programs were on it. The assembly language was simpler and almost as fast as Z-80, and the apple BIOS permitted much more elegant control of the screen. It was so nice, it persisted into the Vic 20s, a much newer machine with a tidier construction and layout. The 6502 was eventually surpassed by the 6809, which lead into the notorious 8088 and then x86 range. None of them beat the 6502 for intuitive assembly code. It was almost as clean as the PDP-11.

    Not sure what you mean by surpassed. They are not related in any way. And since the 6502 was also used in the Commodore 64, the best-selling single personal computer model of all time (6510 was a 6502 with just additional IO ports integrated), it was't surpassed in sales or use before long into the growth of the x86 PC era.

    Do agree that the 6502 was a nice and simple processor to program with assembly.

    What's amazing is that the 6502 core lives on in many custom and semi-custom microcontrollers. For example, a LOT of webcam controllers are actually 6502-based (with a BUNCH of specialized hardware around the core).

    In fact, I read somewhere a few years ago, that the 6502 was actually the largest-selling CPU core in the world.

    Too bad the 65816 never caught on. I actually have a 65802 (the 8-bit bus version of the 65816) in my Apple ][.

  13. Re:Who's not a geek by inpher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Steve is not really selling so much, he is only selling at most ten days of the year and not even full days, in fact he spends most of the days running a company where he oversees design and production of both software and hardware, that is not the job of a salesman.

    I do not think Steve Jobs would be happy doing whatever makes him rich, remember what he said to John Sculley in 1985 "Do you want to sell sugarwater the rest of your life, or do you want to come with me and change the world?" is a pretty strong indicator that Steve was not in it just to make money (but I wouldn't fault him if he saw money as something entirely positive). Jobs most likely sees himself as a visionary or an artist, perhaps even a philosopher, he probably is an "architect" archetype where he wants to leave a lasting legacy (see his Stanford Commencement speech where he hints at this).

  14. Other good reasons for closing the box... by itsdapead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have an affinity for things I can tweak but I have to admit this represents a minority opinion and that sealed boxes make sense for typical users (cost reductions, simplified supply chain, etc).

    Of course there are other good reasons for "closing the box"... The original Mac, the first iMac and several models in between had built-in CRTs and the associated high-voltage circuitry, so you really, really didn't want users poking their fingers inside.

    Most subsequent consumer Macs have been "small form factor" (and usually much smaller form-factor than competing SFF computers). If you make something as tiny as the Mac Mini or a slim as a modern iMac, you're gonna end up with "no user servicable parts inside". The advantage for Apple is that ultra-slim systems can sell for a premium *useful if you're trying to develop your own platform), rather than trying to compete in the low-margin mini-tower and boxy laptop market.

    As you point out, Apple tower systems are still clip-open (swapping drives or adding memory to a Mac Pro is a breeze).

    The other thing is, the motive and opportunity for tinkering has reduced. In the 80s any self-respecting geek would have lost the lid of their computer and have all manner of internal expansion - even on systems that didn't support it there would be boards piggybacked on chips and flying wires soldered to pins on the motherboard. Not so easy on a modern multi-layer motherboard with surface-mount components. I haven't felt the need to go near a computer with a soldering iron in years... There's also less need - the main reason I ever went delving in a Mac (apart from memory and HD upgrades) was to fit ethernet cards - these days, you'll find at least one ethernet port (probably plus WiFi) built in to any half-decent board, and anything else can be fitted via USB. The only PC with an internal add-on card I have now is my MythTV box - and I'm planning to replace that with a smaller box + USB tuner (having found that there are few linux-supported PCIe tuners and that the most suitable dual tuner PCI card is actually a USB tuner stuck on a card with a PCI-USB bridge...)

    Apple have also pushed external expansion - first SCSI, then Firewire, then the iMac pulled USB out of the doldrums, now they're pushing ThunderBolt...

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  15. And if it wasn't for some help from Chuck Peddle by prowler1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    it may not have been completed.

    http://www.commodore.ca/history/people/chuck_peddle/chuck_peddle.htm

    Apparently when he turned up to help them out, he ended up doing a lot of analysing of what they were doing and helping them understand how the 6502 worked and what they were doing wrong.

  16. You have 650 Advanced Orders for Apple II? Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My earliest memory of meeting Steve Jobs was, IIRC, at the Atlantic City Microcomputer Festival in August 1977. He gave me a pitch about the Apple 1 and explained why people wanted color computers, even low resolution, instead of the state of the art monochrome displays. He told me, confidentially, that Apple already had 650 orders for the unannounced Apple II computer. I walked away thinking he was a misguided huckster. 650 advanced orders? Yeah, right, will never happen. I finally decided to buy an Alpha Micro, a 16 bit PDP-11 clone and use it to develop and market software. Now that was a useful computer. It was a true multiuser computer capable of support a whopping 5 users. Alpha Micro Basic language was much more advanced than Apple's. The main regret I have is in not taking more photos of those early days. The majority of the vendors exhibiting at the show were are now long gone, with the notable exception of Apple.

  17. Re:ahh, the good ole money. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Never mind NeXT with a computer ahead of it's time.

    And when NeXT's time finally comes, I'll be ready. I've got a turbo NeXTCube in a box in the garage for when that great day comes.

    Hardly used.

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  18. Nostaliga! by scharkalvin · · Score: 2

    I didn't realize that Apple was still selling Apple I's after they introduced the Apple II. I thought they has sold out the entire first (and ONLY) run of Apple 1 boards before the II was introduced. What the story didn't mention was the fact that Apple ALSO sold the Apple II as just a bare board sans case, just like the Apple I. They didn't offer this option very long, but I do remember it being available. Perhaps they thought that Apple I owners who had built the I into a custom case would want to upgrade? I think the two boards were about the same size, but the II had to be mounted with the short dimension front to back (if you wanted the expansion slots in back).

    Stan Veit operated a NYC computer shop (in the back of a toy store) and carried the Apple I. I remember seeing it AND the Apple II when they first came out. I worked at a rival computer store, but we didn't carry Apple or Altair. The place I worked at had SWTP, Processor Technology, and Imsai computers.