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Self-Wiping Hard Drives From Toshiba

Orome1 writes "Toshiba announced a family of self-encrypting hard disk drives engineered to automatically invalidate protected data when connected to an unknown host. Data invalidation attributes can be set for multiple data ranges, enabling targeted data in the drive to be rendered indecipherable by command, on power cycle, or on host authentication error."

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  1. Law enforcement... by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2

    ...is going to love these.

    1. Re:Law enforcement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guarantee there is a or backdoor master key that will allow law enforcement to access the drive.

    2. Re:Law enforcement... by arcctgx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Confiscate the computer with a self-encrypting HDD. Boot a live CD, image the HDD. Analyse the image.

      Or am I missing the point?

    3. Re:Law enforcement... by lostchicken · · Score: 2

      There are very strict rules of evidence that require you to PROVE that you didn't tamper with data. Mounting a disk read/write certainly violates those rules. Attaching the disk to a computer that CAN mount the disk read/write (as opposed to using a hardware write blocker) probably violates them.

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    4. Re:Law enforcement... by kiehlster · · Score: 2

      I see Toshiba HDD controllers in the near future that circumvent the protection handed over to law enforcement, and 1-2 days after the release, some hacker is going to find a way to bypass the circuitry/firmware and/or force it to wipe on circumventing hardware.

    5. Re:Law enforcement... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Which makes truecrypt your friend. Cant backdoor that one....

      well they can have big bubba in cellblock 5 backdoor the key out of you.

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    6. Re:Law enforcement... by mlts · · Score: 2

      That is true, as a forensics professional. Strict rules of police work apply in the business, and they make sense. For example, if someone does not use a hardware write blocker to copy the drive to an image, then performs study only on that image, the case is pretty much screwed up.

      However, where the rubber meets the road is in front of a jury of people who likely have little clue, nor really care about official P&P. They have zero interest that a forensics officer failed to use a hardware write blocker to pull data from a drive. Instead of jurors hearing "this disk was seized and was booted read/write with files changed after it was taken", the jury will hear "blahblahblahblah", rubber stamp a guilty verdict, then head to the nearest watering hole for some Duff Light from the tap to talk to their friends about putting some "evil hacker" behind bars.

    7. Re:Law enforcement... by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 2

      However, where the rubber meets the road is in front of a jury of people who likely have little clue, nor really care about official P&P.

      My understanding is that a jury will never see evidence that was obtained through improper procedures. When the system functions as intended, the judge would bar improperly-obtained evidence from being presented at trial.

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    8. Re:Law enforcement... by Totenglocke · · Score: 2

      You only use truecrypt? I use 7zip to compress and encrypt it, store that in a truecrypt volume, then compress and encrypt THAT before moving it to another truecrypt volume. Sure it takes some time to access files and it involves remembering four complex passwords, but goddamit I'm secure! ....STOP STARING AT MY TINFOIL HAT!

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    9. Re:Law enforcement... by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Nope. It doesn't wipe the platters, it wipes the encryption key from the controller.

      Removing the encrypted platters won't help you.

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  2. Re:What... by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing at all, except a motherboard failure now means you lost all your data.

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  3. Re:TrueCrypt by Ruprecht+the+Monkeyb · · Score: 4, Informative

    TrueCrypt is great in most circumstances. But if you need (for example) FIPS140-2 compliance, you' need something more.

  4. Enhanced Harddrive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This one is way cooler.

    It actually releases acid into the hard-drive platters:

    http://www.deadondemand.com/products/enhancedhdd

    If they've implemented this properly then you could send a remote command wirelessly that would wipe the hard-drive.

    I'm pretty sure this is a forensic investigators nightmare...

    1. Re:Enhanced Harddrive by vlm · · Score: 2

      This one is way cooler.

      It actually releases acid into the hard-drive platters:

      But is it RoHS compliant?
      My organization is "going green".

      Ever seen copper turn green with corrosion?

      A thermite charge big enough to get over the curie point would work just as well.

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    2. Re:Enhanced Harddrive by Rary · · Score: 2

      Its also possible to recover data from a drive after writing zeros to it just one time. Its going to cost enough to be cost prohibitive in most cases, but its not impossible to pull off, of course its also not very reliable to get useful data out of it either.

      At one time, with older technology, it was theoretically possible to do this. Nobody to my knowledge has ever actually managed to do it in the real world.

      With today's technology, it's not even theoretically possible. A good explanation can be found here.

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  5. Re:What... by gsslay · · Score: 2, Funny

    No you haven't. Your data is still there. Just don't be doing anything foolish like trying to access it.

  6. a nightmare by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can only imagine how many IT support types will accidentally wipe these things. How sad and hilarious this will be!

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  7. Murphey's favorite drive by jandrese · · Score: 2

    Nothing like having a ticking time bomb built right into your hardware. The first time some cosmic ray flips some bit that the drive queries to determine which host its attached to you lose all of your data. Nice. Hope you remembered your backups.

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    1. Re:Murphey's favorite drive by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Yeah, everybody who is using these drives will have copy of their data elsewhere. So the odds to weigh, for a laptop, are unrecoverable cosmic-ray-induced errors vs. a salesman losing his laptop when he gets drunk at the airport bar.

      Have you ever worked with salesmen?

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  8. For storage in certain devices... by kevinmenzel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For storage in devices like printers, etc., where there might be a large amount of storage to facilitate print queuing, etc., I can see how something like this coul be useful. For instance, one of the options on these devices is to self-wipe on power cycle. For companies worried about security, this might be worthwhile in their printers, where the storage itself might be for the purpose of convenience, but they would rather be safe than sorry, and data destruction is of ultimately no consequence because the source for that data is found elsewhere. That way, they can dispose of their printers in relative peace of mind, because if someone powers on the printer to see what it has on it, then poof, no more data. Or even do the "unknown host" thing, and then all you have to do is make it clear to IT that you don't want the valid host (the printer) to survive the disposal process, so if they want to play with some baseball bats in a field to the point of smashing the drive controller... then that's fine with corporate.

    1. Re:For storage in certain devices... by dev.null.matt · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nerds with baseball bats in a field... what could possibly go wrong?

    2. Re:For storage in certain devices... by xMrFishx · · Score: 2

      Probably also another layer of security for companies with laptops. As long as a corporate server backup is kept of the data then having the disk dump the data is generally not a problem. Just slap in a new one and pull it down again from the server, except this has added security of only allowing the disk to work in the machine it's in. Now all you need is a small remote to destroy some critical motherboard part and you're good to go. Okay that bit is an extra...

    3. Re:For storage in certain devices... by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Well, your Superman III ATM virus could have an error in a decimal location, and give you $300000 almost immediately...

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  9. Re:What... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Finally, Write-Only Memory becomes mainstream.

  10. Re:What... by pmsr · · Score: 2

    As someone who recently say a big raid array failing spectacularly and taking data with it because of a firmware bug on the disks themselves, can say that nothing will go wrong. This has success written all over it.

  11. Re:This isn't new ... by steelfood · · Score: 2

    Hey, I liked DOS.

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  12. Old News by rlp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Self wiping drives - I had a few of those YEARS ago. They had the added feature that when they were erasing themselves,they alerted the user via a loud screeching sound.

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  13. More info by vlm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What a ... blog. Yeah. Just go to toshiba.com and read the press release from the source, instead of the cut and pasted partial version at the ... blog:

    http://sdd.toshiba.com/techdocs/MKxx61GSYG_release.pdf

    They claim it uses AES256.. How do you know its not some kind of simple XOR? Probably their exotic "crypto erasure scheme" which they don't discuss is simply deleting the AES256 key. Where would you store the key? How about in the partition table? How long until there's a patch to linux fdisk to read the key, or at least not overwrite it when partitioning, and then how long until someone uses a loopback crypto file system support until linux to read a drive assuming you previously know the AES256 key?

    Also, those drives are small. The last time I bought a 160 GB drive was in the mid 00s. Wouldn't it be hilarious if the low capacity was because everything is stored twice, once "encrypted" for the (l)user and once unencrypted for government special access "only"?

    This is just all speculation on top of speculation, yet it all seems strangely likely.

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    1. Re:More info by afidel · · Score: 2

      Why not store the key in a small sector of nvram on the control board, that's what the iphone 4 and ipad do with their crypto key. As to the size, it's a laptop drive so that's fairly typical for an entry level drive, the top end is 640GB also fairly typical for current generation laptop drives.

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    2. Re:More info by afidel · · Score: 2

      You embed it into the same die as the controller and do standard anti-tampering on the package. It's not like this is a new area for chip manufacturers, they've been doing secure tamperproof designs for a long time for governments and companies like RIM.

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  14. Don't attempt this at home by xkr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These drives are intended for embedded application like copy machines and medical equipment. That equipment now has major security holes once it is disposed of. NOT intended for PCs or data center use. HOWEVER, for secure laptops -- they are ideal. If the laptop gets stolen, now, it is trivial to circumvent OS-enforced security and get to the data. In an environment were data backup is handled by the corporate system, if the laptop fails or is lost or the user forgets his password, you ABSOLUTELY want the data in that machine gone forever. Legitimate users of the data will get it, through the proper channels, from corporate backup.

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  15. This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Laptop theft is at an all time low. In unrelated news, kidnappings are on the rise.

  16. I must have one of these by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Funny

    A bad blocks scan at the weekend showed my year-old Toshiba hard drive has invalidated at least a hundred sectors so far.

  17. Re:What... by vlm · · Score: 5, Informative

    You had multiple disk corruption due to a common firmware bug on the drives themselves? That seems like its going to be pretty damn rare.

    Happens all the time because most RAID builders buy all their drives in one order from the same vendor. Heck they probably have sequential serial numbers. If there is a bug, they're going to totally lose that array because it'll hit all the drives.

    Let me guess, about a year ago or a bit more, he bought a set of Maxstor 541DX, Fireball 3, or DiamondMax Plus 8, the defect lists slowly started filling up, one drive finally failed outright, then during the restore/rebuild process multiple drives also failed because their defect lists filled up during the restoration, then the drive firmware literally crashed on the next boot leaving you with nothing at all but a set of paperweights that don't even show up in the BIOS list? Mmmm, just guessing?

    Always better off buying RAID drives from different vendors at different times, if you can.

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  18. What could possibly go wrong? by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Funny

    Self wiping drives, what could possibly go wrong? But it should also be noted that Western Digital has been making self wiping drives for years, although they are not as selective or precise about when they wipe your data.

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  19. Pretty stupid by gweihir · · Score: 2

    So steal/confiscate the whole machine. The only thing this does is it makes legitimate data recovery harder and may even cause unintended data loss. This is not how to do it. Amateur-crypto at best.

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  20. Re:What... by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless you back up to some other device - hopefully with similar protections.

    Or different but better protections. For instance, a drive like this might be in a remote office in China, whereas the backup (or the source of the data) is in some secure location in your home country.

  21. The BESTEST security! by Paracelcus · · Score: 2

    Damn Small Linux (a boot & eject distro) booted from read only media, save your shit to an external truecrypt USB drive (hidden offsite)!

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  22. Re:TrueCrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    TrueCrypt is FIPS140-2 compliant, it just isn't certified as such. No one has yet volunteered to pay for it and it would be a recurring expense for every released version. Such a thing is generally unreasonable for an open source project unless it is sponsored by an interested third party.

    It is much the same situation as the Single UNIX Specification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification). There are only a few OSes that can call themselves certified UNIX, but there are hundreds if not thousands of open source projects that qualify. The problems are funding and release cycles, not compliance.

  23. Whose Law Enforcement? by b4upoo · · Score: 2

    The US simply does not manufacture items like hard drives. I am certain that law enforcement as well as government good squads in many nations will not tolerate any form of personal security including a self wiping drive. So when it comes to back doors and over rides it may well be governments other than our own that can peek into these drives at will. And I doe believe that any software or hardware that is effective in securing ones' data will usually be from a source either infiltrated or owned by government agencies.
                              I'm not so sure how much I would like to protest the situation as I understand that covert electronic modes have already been effective for our forces in war actions.

  24. Re:TrueCrypt by Ruprecht+the+Monkeyb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I absolutely concur. However, when the government won't give you an ATO unless the product is certified, you've got no choice.

  25. Raises bar/Two edged sword by dogsbreath · · Score: 2

    This raises the bar in terms of effort required to safely capture the data. If the system is effective then the drive electronics have to be bypassed. That is, either transplant new control electronics into the drive frame or transplant the platters. Clearly beyond the means of the average thief and raises the cost/effort level for law enforcement. That is unless Toshiba provides a "Law Enforcement SDK".

    OTOH, the sword cuts two ways: not only does the drive provide protection from unauthorized access, it also puts the data under constant risk. Any data on the drive has a veritable Damocle's sword hanging over it. The possibility of accidentally triggering the destruct mode seems very real. Think about some of the false positive issues with that used to occur with Windows licensing where a minor system change made Windows think it was on a new installation. Happened to me several times and put me on the phone to Microsoft. ie: I added ram once, going from a single 512M to 2x1G and my activation cancelled; another time I upgraded the video card. Innocent but triggered the software detector.

    Reminds me of Dr. Strangelove for some reason. I have an image of Slim Pickins riding my Toshiba disk into a mushroom cloud of destruction. Sorry, off topic. Damn OCD ;->