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Temporary Brain Changes Lead to Accelerated Learning

An anonymous reader writes "In an advance that could help the treatment of learning impairments, strokes, tinnitus and chronic pain, UT Dallas researchers have found that stimulating nerves in the brain accelerates learning in laboratory tests. When the juice was turned off, researchers monitoring brain activity in rats found that brain responses eventually returned to their pre-stimulation state — but the animals kept the ability to perform their newly learned tasks."

140 comments

  1. Tin foil hat by commlinx · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is the reason I never leave home without a balloon attached to my tin foil hat.

    1. Re:Tin foil hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Disturbing troll is disturbing.

    2. Re:Tin foil hat by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      This is the reason I never leave home without a balloon attached to my tin foil hat.

      It conducts electricity better than hair?

  2. Heh. by fenix849 · · Score: 1

    What could possibly go wrong with accellerating brain function in rats.

    I for one welcome our new super intelligent rat overlords.

    1. Re:Heh. by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Funny

      What could possibly go wrong with accellerating brain function in rats.

      I for one welcome our new super intelligent rat overlords.

      Don't worry, it may not have accelerated brain function. It was probably just the rats saying, "Holy F*CK! I better learn this trick so the guy in white coat can stop shocking the sh*t out of my skull!"

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    2. Re:Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Appy-polly-loggies. I had something of a pain in my gulliver....

    3. Re:Heh. by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      What could possibly go wrong with accellerating brain function in rats.

      Nothing at all. They become famous

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    4. Re:Heh. by WonderingAround · · Score: 5, Funny

      Life would be much simpler if we all had to literally run through mazes and be punished or rewarded by soulless overlords, rather than just figuratively.

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    5. Re:Heh. by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      Not a thing Unless you happen to be a mouse named Mr. Frisby. It didn't work out so well for him.

    6. Re:Heh. by RockoTDF · · Score: 1

      If the rat is being punished, it would probably learn to not do the task. Also, there are no pain receptors in the brain. (I know you are probably making a joke, if so a good one, but I still feel the need to point this out)

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    7. Re:Heh. by camperdave · · Score: 2

      Life would be much simpler if we all had to literally run through mazes and be punished or rewarded by soulless overlords, rather than just figuratively.

      You obviously haven't seen the cubicle farm at my office.

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    8. Re:Heh. by smellotron · · Score: 2

      Life would be much simpler if we all had to literally run through mazes and be punished or rewarded by soulless overlords, rather than just figuratively.

      Eureka! I think you've just discovered the ?????? step!

    9. Re:Heh. by WonderingAround · · Score: 3, Funny

      Interesting... would it be possible to come by in a lab coat with a cattle prod? For no reason in particular...

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    10. Re:Heh. by euphemistic · · Score: 0

      If I had mod points, they would be yours.

    11. Re:Heh. by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      Sucks to be in pest-control, though I predict a golden age for the cheese-maker.

    12. Re:Heh. by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 2

      They are already here....
      We call the Politicians

    13. Re:Heh. by badran · · Score: 1

      I guess Brain was successful this time around.

    14. Re:Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not funny. Never has been funny.

      Satire is great. Mocking specific politicians for specific behaviours is both funny and useful.

      Trying to generalise it to politicians as a whole, to avoid offending people, is worse than pointless. You might as well try to get a laugh by saying "Ahaha, we're so stupid! We keep voting for them, aren't we all pathetic."

    15. Re:Heh. by EdZ · · Score: 1

      The question is, was it a BIG RAT?

    16. Re:Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really ? why do they always give electric shocks to the head in the movies then.

    17. Re:Heh. by linuxwolf69 · · Score: 1

      The 24-hour deadline has passed, yet there has been no message from Earth! It is most curious. Perhaps I was too lenient.

    18. Re:Heh. by SporkLand · · Score: 1

      You'll have to ask my boss, that is normally what he does.

    19. Re:Heh. by Maiq · · Score: 1

      Blessed be the cheese makers!

    20. Re:Heh. by Genrou · · Score: 1

      What could possibly go wrong with accellerating brain function in rats.

      I for one welcome our new super intelligent rat overlords.

      Don't worry. Rats are already the most intelligent species on Earth. Followed by dolphins, and then humans.

    21. Re:Heh. by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      Because movies always depict reality correctly. /sarcasm.

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  3. Process by Master+Moose · · Score: 3, Funny

    Normal existence:
    1. Be presented with a new non compulsory task
    2. Learn at your own leisure

    Lab Existence:
    1. Be presented with a new task
    2. Have brain zapped repeatedly
    3. Learn task faster to alleviate zapping

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    1. Re:Process by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 1

      Office Existence:

      1. Be presented with new task

      2. Have worker harassed repeatedly

      3. Fill spreadsheet faster to alleviate harassing

  4. zap me now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe this field of research has found an ethical mode to operate in. Has a long way to go however.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/naziexp.html
    http://psychdata.blogspot.com/2006/05/deep-brain-stimulation-absent-legal.html

    [not the best links below - someone with better knowledge of this topic?]

  5. One step closer to-- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I know kung fu.

    1. Re:One step closer to-- by camperdave · · Score: 2

      One step closer to "I know kung fu."

      Sadly, still millions of steps to being in any sort of physical condition to use it.

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    2. Re:One step closer to-- by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      One step closer to "I know kung fu."

      Sadly, still millions of steps to being in any sort of physical condition to use it.

      "I know sumo?"

    3. Re:One step closer to-- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All journeys begin with a single step...

    4. Re:One step closer to-- by mijelh · · Score: 1

      All components of fitness (Strength, Power, Agility, Balance, etc.) are highly dependent on the nervous system's training (with the possible exception of flexibility). For instance, say you are totally untrained, go to the gym one day and make 15 press ups. Next week most likely you'll be able to complete 22 or 25. Your muscles didn't change in one week, what happened is that you "learned" how to make press ups; your muscle's cells are more coordinated, and therefore achieve a higher output

      I am not into kung fu at all, but I do climb, and you can bet technique, muscular memory and of course psychology (fear of falling to dead is somewhat instinctive, even when tied) are orders of magnitude more important than physical condition. Kung fu is also highly technical, so most likely the same applies in that case.

    5. Re:One step closer to-- by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      All journeys begin with a single step...

      up in voltage...

  6. Seeing as I'm still a student.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something like this could be useful.. heh heh.

    1. Re:Seeing as I'm still a student.. by williamhb · · Score: 2

      Something like this could be useful.. heh heh.

      You've already got it. The temporary brain change is called "Oh crap, I've got an exam tomorrow! Right, where are the books?"

  7. Neo says... by Shadyman · · Score: 1

    I know Kung Fu.

    1. Re:Neo says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me.

    2. Re:Neo says... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Show me.

      Kung Fu speedrun

  8. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make way for the singularity, I guess.

  9. Flowers for Algernon by mr100percent · · Score: 2

    Sounds similiar to the "breakthrough procedure" performed in the classic Flowers for Algernon, when they made the main character a genius for a short amount of time.

    1. Re:Flowers for Algernon by Arch_Android · · Score: 0

      And of course you had to post that the same minute I did! Oh well!

    2. Re:Flowers for Algernon by heathen_01 · · Score: 1

      This is rather reminding me of the book, "Flowers for Algernon". It didn't end very well.

      I would disagree. The alternative was a life of drudgery with enough intelligence to understant that it could be better, but not enough intelligence to attain it.

      Give me the "breakthrough procedure" anytime.

    3. Re:Flowers for Algernon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing about thought experiments is that they end exactly how the author thinks they should end.
      It is like an anecdote, but without the single data point.

    4. Re:Flowers for Algernon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they made the main character a genius for a short amount of time.

      And me feeling very bored and patronised for an hour or two while I read it for homework.

  10. Flowers for Algernon by Arch_Android · · Score: 1

    This is rather reminding me of the book, "Flowers for Algernon". It didn't end very well.

  11. The important question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was the rat named Algernon?

  12. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fail.

  13. Those who haven't read TFA... by troff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... seem to be missing the parts where it says that the (yes, electrical) stimulation is stimulating neurotransmitters; and that any actual pain-effect is being countered by anaesthesia.

    And I'm amazed that, all these comments in, we get "I for one welcome our super-intelligent rat overlords" but haven't yet got a "where do I sign up?". Man, when we were back in undergrad before USB was invented(*), we all wanted RS232 sockets near the bases of our skulls.

    (*): Yes. You can all get off my lawn.

    1. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by blankinthefill · · Score: 1

      Agree 100%. When I see all these things coming out about increased capabilities and better prosthetics and computer/brain interfaces, it makes me so excited. I mean, a lot of this tech is at the place where, in 10-15 years it's going to be BETTER than what we have now. Now, I might not go out and replace ALL my parts... but better eyes and better ears, better memory and learning capabilities... those are all things that I wouldn't even have to think about.

    2. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, a lot of this tech is at the place where, in 10-15 years it's going to be BETTER than what we have now.

      I don't know about that, but compared to what we'll have then, it will have improved a lot while ours got worse. That trend line will continue and likely meet.

    3. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by Eightbitgnosis · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting to see a Memory Helmet being sold to me on late night infomercials

    4. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by Ja'Achan · · Score: 1

      Did you have internet full of ads and viruses back then? These days, people tend to be a little more cautious to what 'apps' they give direct write access on their brain to.

    5. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by troff · · Score: 1

      Surely you don't run "apps" as root, do you?

    6. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      Sorry, my brain isn't a multi user OS, good news for schizophrenics though

    7. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by troff · · Score: 1

      a) You mean "multiple personality disorder", not schizophrenia. JFWI.

      b) For your sake, I hope it is. Otherwise, the minute you start trying to chew gum, your heart and lungs are going to seize up.

    8. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      You don't need multiple users to run 'Terminate and stay resident' programs, you don't even need a true multitasking OS for that, even MS DOS could do that.

    9. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by phillips321 · · Score: 0

      Your a tard! Mod parent down please!

      MultiUSER is when you require more than one user
      MultiTASK is when you wish to carry out more than one process.

    10. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by phillips321 · · Score: 1

      meh, just noticed my bad spelling :-(

      ** You're = your

    11. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It seems like there is an aversion to this sort of thing in the west. In Japan you can buy various study aids including bottled oxygen, so I suspect that sooner or later they will start doing electro-stimulation devices too.

      Well, okay, to be fair we use caffeine, but it does not seem to be marketed as a study aid.

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    12. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by smelch · · Score: 1

      Every sitcom in the 90s had that episode where somebody took some pills to study/stay awake/get more done and ended up with terrible consequences.

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    13. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Evidently, you didn't realize that "Tonight on a very special episode of..." was your cue to change the channel. :-)

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    14. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by smelch · · Score: 1

      Every episode of the Fresh Prince was special.

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    15. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, so now I have to buy the latest and greatest implants every 12-24 months.

    16. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 1

      ... seem to be missing the parts where it says that the (yes, electrical) stimulation is stimulating neurotransmitters; and that any actual pain-effect is being countered by anaesthesia.

      And I'm amazed that, all these comments in, we get "I for one welcome our super-intelligent rat overlords" but haven't yet got a "where do I sign up?". Man, when we were back in undergrad before USB was invented(*), we all wanted RS232 sockets near the bases of our skulls.

      Oh, I fully agree. I get all excited too, until I realize that there's no way in bloody hell I will be able to afford these things like the accelerated learning zappage stuff.

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    17. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by troff · · Score: 1

      Disturbingly true. The only exception I can think of round my way is that they used to sell 1.25L bottles of Jolt with different labelling for "Trucker's Pack", "Student's Pack", etc..

      Various good-for-the-brain vitamins and supplements by the same companies who make muscle-building compounds like Musashi used to sell them. For about six months before they mysteriously vanished from the catalogues and shelves.

    18. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by troff · · Score: 1

      a) Multi-user is a subset of multi-task.

      b) Multi-task is a fake unless you have multiple cores or CPUs.

      c) In humans especially, conscious multi-tasking is detrimental to overall performance. What would happen if your single-core single-user machine, analogising to a person, hangs on one of your tasks? Your heart and lungs seize up.

      d) You mis-spell in the same post calling me a "tard".

      Mods: please don't bother modding the parent down any further. Their life must be hell enough as it is, apparently.

    19. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by troff · · Score: 1

      And there's a reason MS-DOS is hardly used even in electrical engineering labs anymore (although, when I was studying electrical engineering around '93 we DID have a CP/M machine).

      You neglect to mention that TSRs (which were fun to code once you got the hang of interrupts) still ran in Real Mode, consumed precious Base Memory, left memory unprotected and were all DEPRECATED in FAVOUR of multitasking operating systems.

      You go ahead and run your autonomic biological processes over DOS. I'll just leave a process here waiting until you have a page fault and emergency transport to a hospital.

      640k should be enough for any body?

    20. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      Newsflash, human bodies fail more frequently then Windows ME crashes

    21. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by troff · · Score: 1

      Reality check: there are more bodies than ME installations; the bodies keep going (or at least supporting the brain) in all but the most severe of crashes; the bodies have self-repair mechanisms.

      I'd also like to think I can stay alive long enough to get on the Kurzweil boat.

    22. Re:Those who haven't read TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that you'd need two Rs-232 ports, a dumb terminal and a modem to ensure connectivity...wait, I don't mean that you were a dumb terminal, seriously. In any case, where is the number for the BBS of knowledge? Ack

  14. This is great news! by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    I can finally learn to get water from a dropper and depress a lever to release seeds and nuts. These are skills I never learned because I was off sick from school that day and my brain refused to allow me to develop them. Hooray for science! But Doctor, will I be able to play the piano after the brain simulation treatment? Yes! That's great I've never been able to play the piano before. etc.

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  15. Sounds familiar by margeman2k3 · · Score: 1

    Flowers for Algernon, anyone?

    Remember how well t

    1. Re:Sounds familiar by margeman2k3 · · Score: 1

      *that ended. Yay for edit buttons!

    2. Re:Sounds familiar by DamienRBlack · · Score: 1

      I figured you were just getting shocked for forgetting.

    3. Re:Sounds familiar by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Yay for taking a fictional story and assuming all real research will have the same result.

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  16. You don't need electrodes; drugs will do by russotto · · Score: 2

    It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
    It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
    The hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning,
    It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

    (stolen from someone who stole it from someone on Usenet)

    1. Re:You don't need electrodes; drugs will do by troff · · Score: 1

      a) See post above, "Those who haven't read TFA...". It already IS drugs.

      b) Caffeine doesn't work forever. It works partially by blocking adenosine receptors (which stops you getting sleepy-bye-bye). The brain responds by growing more adenosine receptors and the sleepy creeps in anyway.

      c) Increasing doses of caffeine does more damage to more bits of you anyway.

      I say this with approximately 433mg of caffeine in my bloodstream right this minute (according to the caffeine-tracking spreadsheet I maintain). So: a switchable brain-accelerator that does nothing but stimulate naturally- and locally-produced neurotransmitters.

      Screw Farmville. Kurzweilville, here I come.

    2. Re:You don't need electrodes; drugs will do by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Piracetam is another option... or any of the long list of nootropics.

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    3. Re:You don't need electrodes; drugs will do by troff · · Score: 2

      Yeah; but I try pricing it every few years. Especially since I got a mortgage, the price has stayed out of reach.

      As well as its general ongoing expense, Piracetam requires an "attack dose", a large "kickstarter". I estimated, last time I looked at this, the first couple of weeks' supply would be about $400.

      Like I said: mortgage. I'm still trying to save up for this year's FSF, Humanity+, Linux Foundation memberships.

      On the other hand, I did read somewhere that a large (but keep it non-fatal) amount of caffeine all at once is supposedly temporarily equivalent to some of the Best Of Class nootropics anyway.

    4. Re:You don't need electrodes; drugs will do by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Interesting... I have got 100 tablets of 800mg each for about 10 Euro... ( docsimon.com / article /piracetam-al-tbl-100x-800mg ). That doesn't seem expensive to me.

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    5. Re:You don't need electrodes; drugs will do by troff · · Score: 1

      Huh. Very clearly, I need to do a re-pricing. The last time was several years ago.

      Of course, the other problem is that I'm in Australia. The pharmacies here just don't stock it. Bad enough I'd have to import it, but a few years ago Piracetam was put on our Prescribed list.

      I'd have to convince a doctor to put me on a prescription for it. Seeing as I'm already diabetic and have slightly high blood pressure, it's not looking great.

  17. Human overclocking? by atari2600a · · Score: 2

    Sounds like Intel SpeedStep(TM) for humans!

    1. Re:Human overclocking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more like plain speed...

  18. Convoluted learning mechanism theory by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 3

    The study is intriguing and the experiment is commendable.
    The theory is a bit odd. At the end they detail a theory that presupposes that there is some network in the brain that represents the activity being learned and that it is whittled down from a larger initial chunk of neurons.
    A simpler mechanism would be that for Hebbian learning to be able to do its magic you need some random neurons firing. Some of the randomly fired neurons will fire at the times corresponding to when they would fire as part of the network (engram) to be formed and so through Hebbian learning they will soon fire together on purpose and not just by chance.
    Overstimulating the brain increases the number of neurons firing at any given moment and thus increases the number of neurons available to learn the task at hand.

    1. Re:Convoluted learning mechanism theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is Hebbian learning?

    2. Re:Convoluted learning mechanism theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would have been faster for you to search for it than to post the comment...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebbian_theory

  19. Hrmm by dzr0001 · · Score: 2
    1. Re:Hrmm by barrtender · · Score: 1

      I was looking for that. I thought it sounded familiar.

      Wasn't there another one with magnetic fields as well?

  20. UTD WHOOSH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UTD WHOOSH!

    1. Re:UTD WHOOSH! by Cidolfas · · Score: 0

      We should've changed our mascot to Nano the Robot when we had a chance. Something that won't make the other chess or debate teams laugh. (To those who don't go to UTD, we had a pep rally - for our chess team. Scholarships instead of football FTW)

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    2. Re:UTD WHOOSH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comets aren't the problem. Temoc, the giant flaming sperm, is the problem.

  21. So I guess... by MrQuacker · · Score: 2

    I shouldn't stop hitting myself?

  22. The rat... by twocows · · Score: 1

    Was the rat's name Algernon?

  23. Source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've all posted some very witty and snarky comments admittedly, but as far as scientific inquiry is concerned, does anyone else think it strange that the article on the website the link goes to has no listed source for the information on the study it is talking about? I want to see the data that supports these claims. perhaps it is available elsewhere, maybe on the website of these UT Dallas researchers.

  24. Gattaca by tepples · · Score: 1

    I imagine that people fear that transhumanism will play out as it did in the film Gattaca (1997): the job market will discriminate against people too poor to afford transhuman techniques and/or people conceived through non-transhuman techniques.

    1. Re:Gattaca by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

      I've pondered this theme for some time - intelligence is like a threshold in chemistry - below the threshold you can't do X quality activity. In the workplace this defines the spread of jobs you can do, which correlates with how much money you can make.

      So along comes ______ technique/substance to boost you over the threshold. Then you either have a cost problem to maintain that higher level, or an Algernon problem if you miscalibrate the quantities. More movies/TV shows seem to play out the Algernon Tragedy theme, as if "we can't stand someone else getting brain boosts". I'm having trouble recalling many more on the "technique works so what now" style.

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    2. Re:Gattaca by GameboyRMH · · Score: 0

      Those people's fears are totally justified. But how is that any different than higher education today?

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  25. obligatory matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you fly that thing?

    Not yet!

    Operator?

    Tank, I need a pilot program for a B-212 helicopter..... HURRY!

  26. And here's what happens when you do that by holophrastic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you do that, if you change the state of the brain for advanced learning, the human brain -- indeed probably most animal brains -- adapt in one very predictable manner. They become excellent learners in the new state, and stop learning entirely in the old state.

    Which means you'll learn great in the classroom, and you'll learn absolutely nothing from normal experiences -- when you're off the juice.

    Which is crazy dangerous, since it'll basically erase the expertise part of experience.

    Again, and as usual, this is a great idea for immediate safety-related stuff. Teach CPR this way, train soldiers this way. But normal learning is a different animal. Slower learning isn't usually a lack of learning skill -- it's often a stubborness to stick with existing knowledge, and that is most often a very good thing. You don't want to lose that in general.

    1. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by Sacrieur · · Score: 0

      If you do that, if you change the state of the brain for advanced learning, the human brain -- indeed probably most animal brains -- adapt in one very predictable manner. They become excellent learners in the new state, and stop learning entirely in the old state.

      Which means you'll learn great in the classroom, and you'll learn absolutely nothing from normal experiences -- when you're off the juice.

      Which is crazy dangerous, since it'll basically erase the expertise part of experience.

      Again, and as usual, this is a great idea for immediate safety-related stuff. Teach CPR this way, train soldiers this way. But normal learning is a different animal. Slower learning isn't usually a lack of learning skill -- it's often a stubborness to stick with existing knowledge, and that is most often a very good thing. You don't want to lose that in general.

      Do you have any evidence to support said claim that "normal" experiences somehow differ in learning than "classroom" learning? While "street smarts" and "book smarts" are accepted differences, they refer to knowledge, rather than learning.

    2. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      You really need to re-read what I said. I said nothing about experiences between classroom and normal. I spoke of artificially stimulated -- as is the context of the article, which I put into the classroom -- and normal as in not stimulated.

      But, I like your point. Yes, many people can't learn in the classroom, but can in actual experience, and others -- the vast majority -- can't learn without benig taught. But that's a skill thing, in each direction, not a restriction effect -- which is plainly obvious here with the stimulation scenario.

    3. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slower learning isn't usually a lack of learning skill -- it's often a stubborness to stick with existing knowledge, and that is most often a very good thing. You don't want to lose that in general.

      I second that.

      If learning is slow, it is either a sign of too much BS (expectation for student to just believe it uncritically) in learning material, or new facts in it open too much additional questions, inducing a storm of thoughts in student's brain.

      I recommend to anyone having trouble learning to take note of ones thoughts while doing that, instead of "trying to concentrate" (forcefully silencing the complaints from your mind). Resolving the conflicts, eliminating unnecessary multitasking in the background is the only way to boost your concentration and mental capacity*. However, if the learning material is the source of new thoughts, then you just have to go slower and service each one of them, perhaps by writing them down ("I'll get back to this later"). That's why I am very skeptical to any method of super-fast reading an learning - it is like driving 100mph with blindfold on your eyes, you can't do it just anywhere and just as long as you please. If the text you are reading or learning from has any real significance to you, you just can't advance through without giving it a thorough thought.

      *Speaking of which, perhaps some physical and chemical methods for that do the same? Perhaps they suppress the multitasking, by introducing some kind of positive feedback, reinforcing already dominant thoughts and weakening or drowning in noise the weaker ones. The latter may lay in the basis of using white noise, ambiental music, background radio chatter, repetitive physical movements, learning by reading aloud etc. as aids for concentration boosting. However, IMHO, much more there is to be gained if there is nothing to suppress to start with.

    4. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rats pulling a lever to get food do not have to integrate their marvelous discovery into a complex existing framework of lever philosophy and food-pellet-delivery-tube related science. The original article seems to be talking about learning in the sense of training yourself to achieve a defined goal.

      In tasks that are more physical than intellectual, like learning the controls of a simple machine, or playing an instrument, there is a very rapid feedback on any error. If you can notice that you've made a mistake within a fraction of a second, your own neurons really are going to be the limiting factor in how fast you learn.

    5. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People learning only what they are teach, and nothing more... This would be a tyrant's wet dream.

    6. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by wye43 · · Score: 1

      Even for such a "simple" fast-feedback learning process, its not the "speed" of the neurons that matter, but the other thoughts that prevent the desired target neuron(s) to reach the desired threshold-to-trigger-signal weight ratios.

      In fact, when we are talking about a neural network of human-brain size, there are no simple learning processes, its always a battle between at least millions of neurons(of total 100 billion) on whom on them need to adjust their weights.

    7. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

      That is all.

    8. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by LS · · Score: 1

      They become excellent learners in the new state, and stop learning entirely in the old state.

      Which means you'll learn great in the classroom, and you'll learn absolutely nothing from normal experiences -- when you're off the juice.

      Sounds like coffee to me. I'm not joking.

      I believe the only reason coffee isn't outlawed is because it allows you to borrow energy from your personal life and input it into your work life.

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    9. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Except n this case, that's not happening.

      "You don't want to lose that in general."
      why?

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    10. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by geekoid · · Score: 1

      except it doesn't. In fact, you're brain adjusts and you return to normal state.

      So if you drink a cup a day, after 2 weeks, you are getting NOTHING from the caffeine.

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    11. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      You need me to cite someone else saying that the brain operates within bounded states? I cite you. I cite the last time you had a conversation with a person who had an accent, and by the time the conversation was over, you had the same accent. I cite you. I cite the last time you played football in the park and played it well only to forget half of the rules when you got home. I cite you. I cite the last time you saw a girl/guy in an attractive atmosphere and were attracted only to forget that attraction when you saw him/her in a normal atmosphere. I cite you. I cite how you got 95% on your calculus exam, but couldn't do basic calculus in the supermarket.

      I cite you, and everyone else who observes their own every-day interaction with life.

      More importantly, I cite these very same researchers from the article, when they say precisely what I say, eight years from now.

    12. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      innovation, creativity, safety, loyalty, consistency; they all come from stubborness -- doing the opposite of what you're told. That's one.

      But I've got better. Grab a grade-four text book. Look through it and tell me how much of it is just incorrect. You'll find that 90% of it is just plain wrong. And the only reason you won't find the other 10% is because you're not experienced enough to know that it's wrong too. The vast majority of what you're taught in school is just dead wrong. And I don't mean humanity has discovered new scientific truths since then. I mean it was intentionally taught to you incorrect at that time.

      How many different times were you taught the difference between an acid and a base? I'd bet you don't know what at atom looks like. Or the difference between a simile and a metaphor. Or what the root-word of "conference" is, nor what it means.

      A big part of learning is re-learning. And a big part of teaching is teaching concepts and how to think, not what to know.

      If you magically knew what was taught to you, if you magically assimilated knowledge in that way, well, I don't think you know what the root word of "assimilate" is either. You'd lose the ability, as a civilization, to fix mistakes in knowledge.

      How's that?

    13. Re:And here's what happens when you do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say you are getting NOTHING from caffeine. You are getting relief from that horrible headache you would be experiencing if didn't have the 2 cups of coffee.

  27. We're all doomed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This coupled with smarter rats - they'll be unstoppable!!

  28. re: "Temporary" brain changes lead to learning by mysidia · · Score: 2

    I would imagine... as long as the brain you are replacing yours with comes from someone smarter than you, it should learn faster.

    Another probable outcome not mentioned in the article as tested was the body that received the changed out brain probably lost all the advanced things learned previously.

  29. Original Source from Neuron April 14th issue by DanLake · · Score: 1

    Paywall to download, but here is the original publication. At my work, we have a site subscription to many journals including this one. There may be a free source out there but I couldn't find it. http://download.cell.com/neuron/pdf/PIIS0896627311001607.pdf

  30. took long enough! by ae1294 · · Score: 2

    Now I can finally read and understand all those "Learn programming in 24 hours" books I've purchased over the years...

  31. Wow Nike Spam On Slashdot by vajrabum · · Score: 0

    I don't remember seeing any real spam on Slashdot in forever. This ought to be down modded into oblivion

  32. woot!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sign me up, zap away!!!

  33. DUH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is it that things that are stimulating (to the brain) accelerate learning? "Good" teachers have know this for YEARS.

  34. Free Electrodes for Slashdotters! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    [Funny Joke]

    (I know you are probably making a joke, if so a good one, but I still feel the need to point this out)

    Emphasis mine. The ability of joke perception among slashdotters is stunning. Tinfoil hats off!

  35. LSD Research by flyneye · · Score: 1

    Now this is what I''ve been complaining about guys! Research dollars going to cover ground that's already been mapped.
    This has been discovered over and over. My personal favorite however is the independent research conducted by the common man, flipping ALL the switches in a few LSD sessions while incorporating study of ANY subject during the months of experimentation. Results are the same as the rat/electricity but with obvious benefits of not being shocked and having a whale of a good time.( having a good time on LSD is directly proportional to predisposition to enjoying psychedelics,ie not for everyone) I like to think of it as college on blotter paper. Tuition seems to be much more acceptable in light of the huge return.
    Hell, If I were doing this research you can bet I would break out the LSD day one and forget the already pricey electricity. Not a green solution.

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  36. Unlock your potential by yo-mama-man · · Score: 1

    The name of this drug wouldn't by chance be NZT http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=72274

  37. Re:bad spelling by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1
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  38. Sure thing by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    "In an advance that could help the treatment of learning impairments, strokes, tinnitus and chronic pain [...]"

    It *could* help those things, but more likely it will be used by college kids cramming the night before finals after fucking off all semester. At least, that's what I would do.

    1. Re:Sure thing by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Which is a good thing. IN the reported case, the mice retained the knowledge. SO in your example the only thing that would changes is that cramming would be retained for long term.

      Which how much more you could learn in 4 years if you could know a semesters worth of subject in a week?

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  39. Chuck! by HikingStick · · Score: 1

    They've laid the groundwork for the Intersect!

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    I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
  40. Don't want to wear electric hat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Son, I am disappoint.

  41. treatemnt? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    How about help everyone? I would love to put on a hat that stimulate my brain so I could learn faster. Who wouldn't thins help?
    Maybe we could do a year of college in 4 months.

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  42. The unfortunate secondary uses for this technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Figure out a way to modify DNA to deliberately REDUCE the intelligence of future humans
    2. Use electric stimulation just long enough to let them learn their robot-like tasks.
    3. Turn off the juice before they figure out how to read or speak.
    4. PROFIT!

    As we know from Asian garment factories, people can be cheaper than robots. They last longer and require minimal maintenance -- so long as they are treated as a disposable commodity. When they break, throw them away. Until now, the ability to use humans as robots has been limited to the third world. Considering how easy it is to bribe Congress, the legalization of programmable slaves is only a few campaign contributions away. For a few more dollars, they'll subsidize the industry!

  43. Re:I was waiting for the phrase "in rats"... by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

    It is common to test these things in rats before you test it in humans.
    Rat brains are similar to human brains, the human brain simply has a way bigger cerebrum. The main structure of the brain was already there in the time of the dinosaurs, and what would become humans and rats were probably about the same creatures back then.
    Chemically and electrically the human and the rat brain work almost the same (feromones are different of course)

    IANANS, but I was good at biology back in highschool.

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  44. Experience shrine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    activated

  45. hope for ID10T computer users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You slashdotters are only thinking of increasing the distance between idiocy and intelligence. How will you feel if you are suddenly Scotty, while compared to you, everyone else can barely concieve of the wheel or fire? You think you complain about idiots now? I say we decrease the gap by wiring up our tinfoil hats to some super-capacitors, or at least some high density batteries, and when we go on a service call, we "temporarily increase the learning capability" of said idiot. Our stress levels decrease, our workloads decrease. If they won't respect us at work, why NOT have them fear us?

  46. Re:The unfortunate secondary uses for this technol by ae1294 · · Score: 1

    1. Figure out a way to modify DNA to deliberately REDUCE the intelligence of future humans
    2. Use electric stimulation just long enough to let them learn their robot-like tasks.
    3. Turn off the juice before they figure out how to read or speak.
    4. PROFIT!

    As we know from Asian garment factories, people can be cheaper than robots. They last longer and require minimal maintenance -- so long as they are treated as a disposable commodity. When they break, throw them away. Until now, the ability to use humans as robots has been limited to the third world. Considering how easy it is to bribe Congress, the legalization of programmable slaves is only a few campaign contributions away. For a few more dollars, they'll subsidize the industry!

    That's basically the plot to "Battlefield Earth".