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The End of the "Age of Speed"

DesScorp writes "'The human race is slowing down,' begins an article in the Wall Street Journal that laments the state of man's quest of aerial speed: we're going backwards. With the end of the Space Shuttle program, man is losing its fastest carrier of human beings (only single use moonshot rockets were faster). 'The shuttles' retirement follows the grounding over recent years of other ultra-fast people carriers, including the supersonic Concorde and the speedier SR-71 Blackbird spy plane. With nothing ready to replace them, our species is decelerating—perhaps for the first time in history,' the article notes. Astronauts are interviewed, and their sadness and disappointment is apparent. In the '60s and '70s, it was assumed that Mach 2+ airline travel would one day be cheap and commonplace. And now it seems that we, and our children, will fly no faster than our grandparents did in 707s. The last major attempt at faster commerical air travel — Boeing's Sonic Cruiser — was abandoned and replaced with the Dreamliner, an airliner designed from the ground up for fuel efficiency."

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  1. So what? by gblackwo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So we are choosing to be more efficient than fast?

    I used to speed a lot as a teenager- guess what? Now, I like to take my time, enjoy the travel, and save money on gas.

    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You are formaly declared as being halfway towards becoming a 'Grumpy old Fart'

    2. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We don't use them. Nobody uses them.
      This is about machines that are actually used. We don't fly to the moon anymore. We don't use shuttles anymore.
      Concorde was, for decades, the fastest any 'ordinary' person could go, and it's no longer here. There's nobody developing any alternatives to that.

      The world doesn't seem to need speed anymore. And that'd pretty believable; What's the use of shaving a few hours off your London-New York trip when you might as well just have a video conference with the people there? Transporting humans with speed doesn't seem to be important to the world. Instead, transporting data (And in a lesser amount; physical goods) faster and in more volume seems to be.

      Yes, there'll always be somebody pushing the limit. Be that some top secret military project, be that some suicidal maniacs on a salt flat. They will always be there. But this is about machines and methods that actually make it to the real world; And in the real world, who cares about speed?

    3. Re:So what? by robthebloke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Concorde was, for decades, the fastest any 'ordinary' person with 4 grand burning a hole in their wallets could go, and it's no longer here.

      Fixed that for you. Easy jet is preferable for ordinary people, because it's affordable. Video conferencing is preferable for business, because it's cheaper than flights + hotel rooms. There is a common theme here - money! (and a desire to retain as much of it, as you can).

    4. Re:So what? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, we're still pushing up average speeds. Trains are now easily twice the speed that they were a couple of decades ago (in places with decent rail systems) and they carry vastly more people than the shuttle or concorde. Even if you measure passenger-miles, these two are largely irrelevant. Making a subway train 50% faster has a much bigger impact on overall quality of life than making a transatlantic flight 50% faster. 5-10 minutes off a daily commute is a much bigger win than 2 hours off a 5 hour flight that most people are lucky to make once every few years.

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    5. Re:So what? by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I used to love to fly when I was a kid, and even as a young(er) adult.

      Now though... getting there several hours early cause you never know how long security is going to take...

      wondering what new hoop I have to jump through. What's that? empty my pockets? ok sure I guess. Huh? take off my belt? what really? ok, let me hold my pants up... take off my shoes? are you kidding? really? well crap, I didn't bring my shoehorn with me it's going to take me awhile to get them back on, no wonder this damn line is moving so fuckin slow. Take my computer out of the computer bag?! are you serious? isn't that what the damn x-ray machine is for? put my deoderant, suntan lotion, and mouthwash in individual plastic baggies? ok fuck it i'm going home this is rediculous... oh what's that? I'm under arrest? well fuck.

      and that's even before the groping.

  2. Commercial flight is fast enough now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With the pat-downs and all the hassle at both ends of a flight, why would we need a Mach 2+ vehicle in the middle?

  3. There's not much point .... by yelvington · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's not much point in plugging faster airplanes into a hub-and-spoke air transit system with chronic Air Traffic Control delays (assuming they're not asleep), 45-minute airport security lines and 20-minute waits for your baggage.

  4. uh? by rbrausse · · Score: 5, Informative

    a couple of unrelated decisions are a sign of ending "the age of speed"?

    at the moment China is constructing 17000 km of high-speed railways; *surely* the beginning of an age of speed.

    sigh, media...

  5. Re:Speed is NOT overrated by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Given the seriously cramped conditions imposed by the Concorde's airframe design(it was necessarily narrow-bodied to reduce drag), and the further crunching induced by trying to get enough paying passengers into the sardine tube to justify the expensive flight, the trade off isn't as straightforward as one might imagine.

    From the perspective of comfort and productivity, if the same money can get you a cattle-class seat on a mach 2 bird or a cushy recliner, a power jack for your laptop, and an edible meal on a cost-optimized subsonic one, it isn't at all clear that you'd choose the former.

    Given that running the big, cost-optimized subsonic allows the carrier to adjust the split(not quite per-flight; but reasonably quickly) between comfort seats and low cost seats as the market dictates, while the small, supersonic one only allows choosing between expensive discomfort and really expensive comfort, the economics behind running the subsonic craft seem pretty compelling.

    While I expect that maximum achievable air speeds(and/or flight paths that incorporate very high speed excursions outside the atmosphere) will continue to advance for specialty applications, mostly military; such developments as "leg room", "laptops that aren't a pain to work on", and "sweet, sweet inflight internet" have likely sealed the commercial fate of very high speed air travel services.

  6. Actually, MANKIND'S average speed has soared by wisebabo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well perhaps for the upper class Americans for whom air travel was a given back in the seventies travel hasn't sped up. But for the 10s or 100s of millions who are being introduced to commercial air travel for the first time, let me tell you their average speed has really taken off. Air travel has become affordable for the first time to a significant fraction of the world's population. Rising living standards and cheaper flights due to de-regulation has done the trick. Living here in Vietnam I personally have taken many airplane "virgins" for a ride. ;)

    (Due to an extremely fortunate set of circumstances, I must confess I was lucky enough to break the sound barrier in a Concorde flight way back when. It was interesting watching the digital airspeed gauge go higher and higher!)

  7. Re:Technology of Ancients. by ciderbrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How old are you? The older I'm getting the more I want to play with engines and build things with wood and metal.

  8. Actually very true by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's bandwidth that matters.

    A 200mph train link giving affordable travel between distant cities would be much more useful that a celebrity supersonic service.

    1. Re:Actually very true by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Partly because our infrastructure is fundamentally unmaintainable.

      In many cases, we've simply tried to "upgrade" ancient track sections, so our trains have to deal with curves no other high speed rail systems do. This puts extra stress on the trains and rails.

      In many cases our passenger rail is shared with freight - horrible performance-wise, great cost-wise. Everyone says we have a shitty rail system in the United States - I've heard from numerous sources that in terms of freight capability, we have the best rail system in the world. It is just that passenger rail infrastructure and freight rail infrastructure have vastly different requirements. (Apparently freight rail in many other countries that have great high-speed passenger rail is rather poor.)

      In every other country, they build special track for their passenger rail lines that makes it easier to maintain.

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  9. Meh... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As much as I think space travel is cool, and the SR-71 was one of the more aesthetically pleasing aircraft ever, and similar sentiments, I can't really muster much pity for the disappointed astronauts and test-pilot types.

    There's a saying from the murky world of the intersection between market actors and regulatory agents: "Nobody screams louder than the guy whose subsidy is being cut."

    Astronauts, and their ilk, while they did the jobs we offered, fair and square, were (in terms of human speed) some of the most subsidized travellers in history. For a mixture of reasons, some more or less universal(scientific curiosity), some bound up in particular historical moments(Cold war dickwaving and spy games), we made comparatively massive investments in the velocity of a small number of pilots carrying out specific missions. I have nothing against the pilots, who largely executed their missions with skill and nerve; but that doesn't change the fact that those were some of the most expensive tickets in human history, made possible only by certain historical conditions. Those guys were playing with once-in-a-lifetime white elephants, not prerelease prototypes of consumer goods.

    (Now, unfortunately, our extraordinary subsidies projects seem to be focused on our parasitic layer of financial services con-men, an entirely crasser class of people, with far fewer virtues and far greater dangers...)

  10. Re:Technology of Ancients. by Balinares · · Score: 5, Funny

    > The older I'm getting the more I want to play with engines and build
    > things with wood and metal.

    It's okay. We're all addicted to Minecraft too.

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