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Apple Wants To Store Your History In the Cloud
bizwriter writes "Most online backup is about keeping the latest and greatest version of what resides on a device, whether a PC, tablet, or smartphone. Three recent patent filings suggest that Apple has a super version of backup on its mind. Someone would be able to go into an application (like iTunes or the App Store), find what material was available at a previous time, and recover any or all of what once was there without having to use a separate recovery program."
I figure that any information I send to the cloud is at danger of being accessed by anybody at any time, unless I've encrypted it myself. The Apple idea could be really effective, but I'd never trust it with sensitive data, any more than I'd trust Dropbox.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
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It'd take days over DSL to upload everything on the home network to the cloud and probably use up all of my bandwidth for the year. I wonder if they'd ask you to mail in your HDs or drop off your mac at the local Apple store to do the initial capture. /Not saying I'd ever pul all my porn library on the cloud.
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Well duh, Time Machine already does this for local or NAS storage, so any extension of this into the "cloud" would obviously include the same functionality.
Inflammatory summary is inflammatory.
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It's Time Machine but your hard drive is off site.
I know that "in the cloud" is the hip thing these days; but I'm a bit fuzzy on how this differs in any patentable way from versioning file systems that go back at least as far as VMS, and almost any network backup product that provides differential backups(which is virtually all of them).
Even more specifically, precisely this sort of 'network-accessed version/time view' of documents is what pretty much any IDE does when you point it at a supported revision control system. Complete history of your project, all in 'app', delivered locally or over the network, or clustered, or what have you. Similar, albeit expensive and somewhat niche, stuff can be had for word processing among legal types.
Now, from a user experience perspective, more power to Apple if they can bring the benefits of a revision control model to other applications in a way intuitive enough for people who wouldn't know a revision control system if it bit them. That is the sort of thing that they are good at, and the sort of thing that they can charge a premium for.
Patent worthy, though? Srsly?
Not new and totally obvious, so I fully expect them to get their patents :(
Unless the sync is optional, or it allows the user to use a key separate from the credentials that requires a re-sync if you lose it (like Firefox Sync) where the provider can't tell what you store on their servers (encrypted/decrypted locally), it'll bar me from buying Apple products ever again.
It's far more than that, Apple is rumored to be developing a sort of cloud user-space, where you can login on anyone's Mac as a Guest and it will pull all your apps, documents, and preferences from the App Store and iDisk cloud. There's even talk of a Net-booting cloud.
So first, any normal business practice becomes patentable if you add the words "on a computer" to it. Now this: anything you do on a computer (e.g. backup) becomes patentable if you and the words "in the cloud" to it??? WTF is wrong with our patent system?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
How about a subversion (or equivalent) version control system that stores encrypted files to the cloud? That way you could retrieve any version of a file or even files that you had deleted at some point.
I wouldn't trust these guys with a scanned Nintendo manual, let alone anything actually valuable.
Until you install Apple's new photo editing program and it deletes everything, right?
find what material was available at a previous time, and recover any or all of what once was there without having to use a separate recovery program
I bet teachers will request / demand access to catch people whom commit academic dishonesty, then doctor the assignment or paper up to foil simple search detection.
For example, if someone stole my line above, and then claimed this as their own writing:
"In the I-enabled internet future, teachers will request or demand access to catch people whom commit academic dishonesty, then doctor the assignment or paper up to prevent simple search detection."
Because I added and changed a couple words, the copier would probably not be caught. But if the professor had access to the earlier version and googled for it, they'd find my original post, and see how pitifully little work I did to doctor up the copy.
I suppose if they take all the "whom"s out of my posts they should deserve an "A" anyway, but still, I'm trying to make the general point here...
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
"Most online backup is about keeping the latest and greatest version of what resides on a device, whether a PC, tablet, or smartphone. Three recent patent filings suggest that Apple has a super version of backup on its mind. Someone would be able to go into an application (like iTunes or the App Store), find what material was available at a previous time, and recover any or all of what once was there without having to use a separate recovery program."
A. Most people are fucking morons. Q. Why in 2011 is it still necessary to qualify "backups" with "point in time" and "remote".
"Could I have done exactly the same thing over a leased line somewhere between 1970 and 1985, if I'd had a checkbook big enough for IBM?"
More like "Were people doing exactly the same thing over a leased line somewhere between 1970 and 1985 with IBM?"
I like how Apple is thinking big, yet missing obvious and practical "backup" issues. Ask anyone who has gotten a new i-device, or had to wipe one: there is no way in iTunes to figure out what all you've bought previously without attempting to download it again. Maybe when you click that "Buy" button, it pops up and says you already bought it, and you re-download it for free. But maybe you clicked on the wrong version of the app thinking it was the one you'd already paid for, and welp, you just bought it. Stupid.
I'm sorry, this is a new idea? Really?
Talk about a fucking slow news day.
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and taking that iPhone to canada can cost you UP TO 10K a gig and $20+ a gig in the us.
Uh that's what this is supposed to fix. The labels dictate the terms. Not Apple. So Apple needs something big enough to justify paying the labels giant surcharges to let us all do it the sensible way. Google is working on the exact same thing BTW.
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Maybe they allready store my whole history in iTunes. It would explain the size of this piece of .. eh .. software -:)
If the advertisers asked you to send them your life (pictures, friend lists, schedule...) so they could better sell you stuff you'd refuse. But if they say here, store your stuff on our servers (in the cloud) for free! (where free means we can spy on you to sell you stuff) then we all go for it without a second thought.
And yet Apple does not have an easy method to show me what I purchased in the Ap-store for my phone? Or an easy way to just reload all purchased apps if my iPhone gets restored? Or make iTunes not suck so hard?
I wouldn't trust these bozo's to make it easy to get to any information I entrusted them with.
A cloud is a network of virtual computers. There isn't just one.
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Your purchase history is accessible via iTunes for mac or PC. Not via your itunes for iOS. But, then again the chase.app and esurance.app also only offer limited information over their iOS app. How much info go your banking and insurance companies offer you via an iOS app? All your apps will be restore during your first sync, which is started automatically as the last step in a restore. Get a mac. iTunes is pretty good for mac. I do agree it's not that it just doesn't translate well to windows. The design concepts and process flow are too foreign.
Apple wants to store apple customers' history in the cloud. I'll have nothing to do wit apple products, thanks.
You click on "Apps" in iTunes. Everything you purchased on the App Store is there.
You plug your phone in and hit "Restore". It saves all the preferences for you and reloads your phone just how it was the last time you synced it.
I agree. iTunes does suck pretty badly. Almost as badly as your knowledge of the iPhone.
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I would be very happy just for Apple to allow access to re-download apps, music and other content that WE PAID FOR if we should happen to lose the original. The idea that once you download something from iTunes and lose it you can't get your content back is ridiculous.
There is no additional storage for Apple, the content is already being served, and they also store a history of all purchases made on iTunes, so the fact I cannot re-download content (without having to contact and hassle with their customer support begging to download the content again) is quite retarded.
So, kudos for brining Time Machine into the cloud, which is what this is, but how about giving us unlimited access to content we have paid for.
And how about removing the 5 device limitation as well. Apple has been all big about removing DRM, except if its their own damn DRM. Its ineffective anyways, once a year I reset the count and activate only the current systems I have in use at the time, so why bother.