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Apple Wants To Store Your History In the Cloud

bizwriter writes "Most online backup is about keeping the latest and greatest version of what resides on a device, whether a PC, tablet, or smartphone. Three recent patent filings suggest that Apple has a super version of backup on its mind. Someone would be able to go into an application (like iTunes or the App Store), find what material was available at a previous time, and recover any or all of what once was there without having to use a separate recovery program."

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  1. Different from Dropbox? by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    I figure that any information I send to the cloud is at danger of being accessed by anybody at any time, unless I've encrypted it myself. The Apple idea could be really effective, but I'd never trust it with sensitive data, any more than I'd trust Dropbox.

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    1. Re:Different from Dropbox? by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Informative

      Completely different from Dropbox, in that it doesn't have anything to do with the cloud. The article is nonsense, the patent quotes say nothing about the cloud. They very clearly relate to the local document versioning system that Apple is putting in in the next version on OSX (Lion), and has already announced.

      http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/

    2. Re:Different from Dropbox? by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Informative

      Completely different. GoBack worked at the disk drive level. If I wanted to revert back to my spreadsheet of last week, I'd revert every other file back to last week too.

      Lions "Versions" works at the application level, so that individual document files have a history.

      And the patents themselves regard the user interface, and as you can see, they could not be more different.
      http://soswindowsfr.free.fr/olivier/goback_fichiers/goback-historique.gif
      http://images.apple.com/macosx/lion/images/overview_versions20110127.jpg

  2. Re:Google (Chrome) and Firefox can do this already by alostpacket · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nonsense, Apple clearly invented the cloud. And backup. And turtlenecks.

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  3. So it's just Time Machine in the cloud? by Gavin+Scott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well duh, Time Machine already does this for local or NAS storage, so any extension of this into the "cloud" would obviously include the same functionality.

    Inflammatory summary is inflammatory.

    G.

    1. Re:So it's just Time Machine in the cloud? by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

      And considering services like Mozy, Carbonite and DropBox already do versioning (preserving overwritten or deleted files), this isn't really a story.

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  4. Cool patents, bro. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know that "in the cloud" is the hip thing these days; but I'm a bit fuzzy on how this differs in any patentable way from versioning file systems that go back at least as far as VMS, and almost any network backup product that provides differential backups(which is virtually all of them).

    Even more specifically, precisely this sort of 'network-accessed version/time view' of documents is what pretty much any IDE does when you point it at a supported revision control system. Complete history of your project, all in 'app', delivered locally or over the network, or clustered, or what have you. Similar, albeit expensive and somewhat niche, stuff can be had for word processing among legal types.

    Now, from a user experience perspective, more power to Apple if they can bring the benefits of a revision control model to other applications in a way intuitive enough for people who wouldn't know a revision control system if it bit them. That is the sort of thing that they are good at, and the sort of thing that they can charge a premium for.

    Patent worthy, though? Srsly?

    1. Re:Cool patents, bro. by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      "In the cloud" really just means letting someone else be responsible for your data. Of course, the people pushing "the cloud" are (surprise) data hosting companies.

      Patent worthy? Hell, no.

    2. Re:Cool patents, bro. by stewbacca · · Score: 2

      IF this is talking about versioning coming in OSX Lion, then I'd say it is different because it is giving average home users and enterprise-like level tool they may find handy without all the enterprise tool fuss and administration.

      And if it is talking about the upcoming Versioning in Lion, then no, they won't charge a premium for it...I'll guess about a one-time $129 upgrade.

  5. More than that by mr100percent · · Score: 2

    It's far more than that, Apple is rumored to be developing a sort of cloud user-space, where you can login on anyone's Mac as a Guest and it will pull all your apps, documents, and preferences from the App Store and iDisk cloud. There's even talk of a Net-booting cloud.

    1. Re:More than that by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      It wouldn't require any more locking down than what you already have in Mac OS X, Linux, UNIX, etc. You set permissions to disallow the guest user from writing anywhere on the local machine, then you net-mount the user's home directory, and all the user's reads and writes go in there. We had such setups on plain vanilla Sun workstations a decade ago, minus the automatic app installation.

      Sure, if you want absolute security, there are a few little things you'd want to tweak around the edges—temp file handling, for example—but nothing big. It certainly shouldn't require preventing the machine's owner (the administrator) from arbitrarily modifying the machine.

      Unless, of course, you meant the question of whether a random person can really trust somebody else's machine to not have key sniffers and that sort of thing, in which case the answer is, "No, and they couldn't trust that no matter how much the manufacturer locks down the OS because you can just as easily put a USB key sniffer inside the keyboard itself."

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  6. Re:Google (Chrome) and Firefox can do this already by careysb · · Score: 2

    And "APPLE" was stolen from the Beatles.

  7. Re:Your entire life is in the 'cloud' already by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

    I only get my Facebook account with a small selection of what interests me and who I have befriended publicly. Hardly my "entire life." :S

    The sad thing is that for the rest of us that is our entire life.

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  8. Wait... by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So first, any normal business practice becomes patentable if you add the words "on a computer" to it. Now this: anything you do on a computer (e.g. backup) becomes patentable if you and the words "in the cloud" to it??? WTF is wrong with our patent system?

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    1. Re:Wait... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here's a drinking game that will(briefly, before it kills you) make you feel better about the state of the software/business method patent system:

      1. When you see a bullshit 'on the internet' or 'in the cloud' patent, ask yourself "Could I have done exactly the same thing over a leased line somewhere between 1970 and 1985, if I'd had a checkbook big enough for IBM?".

      2. If yes, take a shot.

    2. Re:Wait... by future+assassin · · Score: 2

      Just like the word digital. Insert it into anything and if you're a corporation you can get laws passed if you cry enough.

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    3. Re:Wait... by gig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple is not a patent troll. They have sued over patents only a few times even though they've been widely copied. They obviously have to patent this before they ship to protect themselves against patent trolls.

  9. Re:Google (Chrome) and Firefox can do this already by oliverthered · · Score: 2

    actually it was given to eve, by a dirty snake in the grass wearing a mac.. sorry that's the iTestament.

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  10. Re:Google (Chrome) and Firefox can do this already by oliverthered · · Score: 2

    sorry miss read that... i thought it said Adam and Eve, should be Adam and Steve, but where all chums around here.

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  11. Re:Google (Chrome) and Firefox can do this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would you want them to? Personally when I delete something, I want it to stay deleted. I'd much rather have every deleted thing gone forever than have everything in the facebook-style limbo of "inactive".

  12. Re:Better be opt-out by xMrFishx · · Score: 2

    Why would it be mandatory? Mobile Me is opt in (purchase), even time machine is opt-in. Hell, even owning the machine is opt-in. Itunes sharing is opt-in. Where's this mandatory idea come from? Nevar

  13. Re:Hmmm by dougisfunny · · Score: 2

    That would still take quite a long time to upload 12TB.

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  14. Re:Apple? The same Apple that sells you ONE mp3 co by foniksonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh that's what this is supposed to fix. The labels dictate the terms. Not Apple. So Apple needs something big enough to justify paying the labels giant surcharges to let us all do it the sensible way. Google is working on the exact same thing BTW.

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  15. Re:And this is a new idea how? by gig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They didn't claim to invent the cloud or versioning. They claim to have an invention that uses the cloud and versioning in a new way, enabling even a non-technical consumer to apply it to all of their documents without training. No, nobody has done that before.

    Steam engine also did not claim to have invented steam.

  16. Currently they suck at retireving information.... by westyvw · · Score: 2

    And yet Apple does not have an easy method to show me what I purchased in the Ap-store for my phone? Or an easy way to just reload all purchased apps if my iPhone gets restored? Or make iTunes not suck so hard?
    I wouldn't trust these bozo's to make it easy to get to any information I entrusted them with.