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Google Crowd-Sources Maps

Wamoc writes "Google has invited 'citizen cartographers' to refine the US map for Google Maps and Google Earth. 'Today we're opening the map of the United States in Google Map Maker for you to add your expert local knowledge directly. You know your neighborhood or hometown best, and with Google Map Maker you can ensure the places you care about are richly represented on the map. For example, you can fix the name of your local pizza parlor, or add a description of your favorite book store.'"

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  1. This sounds familiar... by Haedrian · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:This sounds familiar... by vossman77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds like Google is starting to fear the progress made my open street maps... http://www.openstreetmap.org/

    2. Re:This sounds familiar... by moonbender · · Score: 2

      Is there anything preventing Google from using the OSM data itself in Google Maps? It used to be licensed CC-BY-SA, so it would be perfectly fine to embed it into Google Maps with correct attribution, in a similar fashion as the Wikipedia data. OSM is in a process of relicensing now, but I'd imagine the same would work with ODbL, too.

      The OSM data for my area is very detailed, including building outlines, landmarks, park benches, and dog poop dispensers (no kidding). Shame Google didn't opt for interoperability, could have been good for both Google and OSM -- maybe that's why they didn't do it. Or maybe they genuinely think they can do a better job. And maybe the OSM community is glad to be left alone. The official OSM map website sure could use some interface magic and a faster delivery network, though. The data is all there -- much more than is even visible in the default view -- but it's too hard and too slow to get there.

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    3. Re:This sounds familiar... by Teancum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like all of the fun that Gracenote did with the CDDB several years ago. A very much for-profit company who collected a ton of information from volunteers and then turned it into a for-profit business that screwed over the volunteers who couldn't even access the database for their own contributions without paying a licensing fee.

      I like Open Street Map, and that was my first thought when I heard that Google was letting volunteer contributions in. Google has in fact been a real pain in the behind to that project and does view it as the "competition".

    4. Re:This sounds familiar... by Capt.+Skinny · · Score: 2

      Because Google Maps needs less work. It's easier to get people to make small corrections to an already mature system than it is to get people to make fundamental contributions to something that doesn't meet their needs yet.

    5. Re:This sounds familiar... by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      Why is this marked flamebait ? It could be true, I've noticed a lot of the free or cheap iPhone apps use Openstreetmaps' maps. It creates a base of people that benefit from making the maps ever more accurate. That has got to scare Google: maps is one of the levers they use, along with gmail, to differentiate their mobile platform from other platforms (and unlicensed Android versions)

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    6. Re:This sounds familiar... by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends where you are. For some places in Europe, OSM is vastly more complete than Google, showing post boxes and rubbish bins. I'm about to leave for Tajikistan, and I see that there's very little detail there, but for how many users is that a problem?

    7. Re:This sounds familiar... by Teancum · · Score: 2

      Is there anything preventing Google from using the OSM data itself in Google Maps?

      The OSM data license is an open-source license that would require Google to reciprocate and allow its map data to be used by the OSM project.... something that Google most definitely doesn't want to have happen. This is something where they can't have their cake and eat it too. If they displayed the OSM data as a "separate view" being a "community contribution view" that could in turn be put into the OSM database, sure.... they could do that.

      The issue really is over how users can reuse the licensed data. Google holds all of their data as completely proprietary and has even gone on record as willing to prosecute those who blatantly copy data from Google. A common mapmaker technique is to deliberately introduce errors into their maps (such as misnaming a certain street or adding in small details such as a non-existent park) where copying that data can be used as evidence of copyright infringement. If the map was generated from actually being there or knowing the local geography, such details won't be copied as they don't exist. There are such errors in the OSM data too (mostly accidental and can be corrected, but they are there) so this can go both ways.

    8. Re:This sounds familiar... by richlv · · Score: 3

      very. hopefully people will discover osm and "upgrade" from google - with osm, you can get entire dataset and do nearly anything with it.

      several other mapping companies are contributing to osm - http://open.mapquest.com/, even http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2010/08/02/bing-maps-adds-open-street-maps-layer.aspx (although the link in the latter seems to be broken right now :) )

      you can find other interesting uses of osm data here : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_based_Services

      of course, there's always the fact that "map maker" was available in multiple other countries before "opening" it for usa. which means others have had a chance to ask "why do this if there's osm" already ;) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kompa/diary/10047

      so i would like to invite everybody to join http://osm.org/ :)

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  2. What other info? by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Address and ratings for all the girls that put out? Sure, there is no way this can be abused...

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    1. Re:What other info? by Moraelin · · Score: 2

      Right.. that is why we can find out the addresses of all the camwhores on wikipedia right? Oh wai..

      I hope you also realize that Wikipedia is full of vandalisms. (E.g., I learned from there that iron is extracted from monkeys, the bridges of ancient Rome were manufactured in Japan, or that didgeridoos are cloned in test tubes. The last one actually had a whole page on the German Wikipedia for more than a year.) It's also full of idiots thinking that they're actually doing a favour to the world by changing stuff to something funny... only to themselves. It's full of half-baked mis-information, vanity edits of one's own pages or panning someone you don't like, edit wars that are won by the most persistent instead of the most informed, and occasional acts of personal vengeance. Like the recent case that was even on Slashdot, where some idiot who got panned way back on the Old Man Murray site, getting the page removed from Wiki. Or that for some people or events, the pages actually have to be locked, to stop the flood of crap edits.

      Frankly, the only reason why you don't have high school kids editing an ex-GF's wikipedia page to say "SHE'S A SLUT!!!" is because she doesn't have a page on Wikipedia.

      It's not only a Wiki problem. See Amazon reviews, and again a recent thread even on Slashdot where we even had lemmings defending their drivel flood as some great act of comedy. Never mind that they're not particularly funny, and not particularly helpful to have to wade through hundreds of such imaginary crap for a product to find an actual review. And again, praising one's own book or panning someone without even reading, actually do happen all the time. Or fanboy reviews hyping or panning something long before it's actually even available, but they already somehow know it will rule or suck.

      But generally, humans are humans for as long as we have a written history. Just about anywhere there even was a public board (of the actual wooden kind) or some statue, people have pinned anonymous or pseudepigraphic libel about people they don't like. See the talking statues of Rome in the 16'th century for example.

      So, yes, I do expect it to happen lots if every single house on Google can get such notes attached. The kind of people who only weren't defacing an ex-GF's/ex-BF's Wikipedia entry because she had none, now will be able to add exactly such notes to her/his house. And I expect a lot of them to do just that.

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  3. Re:Finally? by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 2

    My street is one way, but Google Maps displays it one way in the wrong direction. I've submitted a report oh, about five years ago, and still no change. I'm looking forward to opening this up for Hungary as well, so I can make that goddamn change, since it breaks all routes planned by Maps.

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  4. Re:Finally? by oakgrove · · Score: 2

    After submitting that they have my street name wrong and the next one over with it's label, and another one missing, years ago,

    That's strange. I submitted a correction for two streets where I live that had the names mixed up and about a month later, they sent me an email thanking me and the switch was made. OSM had the same error (must have came from the Tiger data) and I just fixed it myself. Not sure why your change wasn't made to GM.

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  5. Re:Say goodbye to favorite places ... by vlm · · Score: 2

    Ever discover a good side road that works to get around traffic? A friend and I who carpooled found one. One day a radio station started a segment where people could call in with traffic tips. Someone glowing described this wonderful detour. The next day it was as stalled and backed up as the highway. Years later I went that way again, still as screwed up. I suspect this sort of thing to happen with various other kind of favorite spots.

    Works both ways. There is a truly major interstate highway project in my area, biggest in a couple decades, maybe the biggest project since the interstate was built decades ago. The conventional wisdom is the interstate will therefore be a parking lot during rush hour, so take any possible non-interstate route home, avoid the interstate at all costs, its the inter-apocalypse, etc. The actual result is the interstate is a ghost town and I get home about 5 to 10 minutes earlier than normal now, even though the road is all screwed up.

    You should call in to the same radio show crying about how the alt route is a clogged dirt road to nowhere, until no one uses it anymore.

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  6. Has everyone forgotten CDDB? by awilden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OpenStreetMaps is a classic grass-roots effort. People have sweat blood making OSM work, proving the "business" model, working out the kinks, and donating immeasurable time towards making this a success. Now that somebody has done the dirty work to prove that this method of crowd-sourcing maps can work, Google trots out its sexy service that will grab the buzz, divert the resources, advertise interest away and steal the user cycles towards improving its own closed proprietary maps. Yes, that's correct, proprietary -- there's no guarantee that what you do will remain freely available.

    Has everyone forgotten the CDDB debacle? Quoting wiki: "The original software behind CDDB was released under the GNU General Public License, and many people submitted CD information thinking the service would also remain free." Those of you who remember will recognize what an understatement that is. Needless to say, those users were wrong and one day they found that all their effort was suddenly swallowed up and they were being asked to pay for access to the data they submitted.

    I don't believe Google is evil and I don't work with OSM, but if Google is not evil it has to realize the negative impacts its actions can have on the kinds of grassroots open-source efforts it claims to support. Google is not stepping in to use its resources to do what the crowd cannot -- it will end up undercutting a project where the crowd was doing just fine on its own. And the ordinary Joes need to realize what is going on and channel their efforts to the project where they will own the product. OpenStreetMap.

  7. Didn't Google try this once already? by Animats · · Score: 2

    Didn't Google have a thing about two years ago where people could photograph storefronts, send them in to Google, and get paid?

    They have a "submit your content" thing now, but of course Google doesn't actually pay for the content.

  8. Re:Google is Today's Tom Sawyer by Gr33nJ3ll0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or maybe "Geez it would be nice to be able to spent 15 sec fixing that road segment that always results in google maps routing me around, which wastes 10 minutes of my day" Having worked with city and county mapping services there are a lot of little mistakes on maps that a simple tweak could easily fix. OTOH, if you don't want to, don't do it.

  9. Re:Google is Today's Tom Sawyer by Synon · · Score: 2

    You're just upset because your parents never got you a sandbox when you were a kid, I understand. User generated content can and will go much much further. A simple project like "Accurately label every location of interest in the US" is a big much, even for google. And people benefit from such a map, so why wouldn't they spend a couple minutes to make a correction to their favorite businesses?

  10. Work for Google for free by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    Sure, you don't get paid, but at least you get the satisfaction and sense of accomplishment that comes from seeing someone else's stock price rise.

    Ok, so you won't be allowed to directly query the data yourself after you give it to them, but at least you'll know that it might come up on your page, along with their ads, if you embed their javascript.

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  11. Pretty much certain by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Damn right I know my neighborhood better.

    Yes, google maps. I am certain that my ex girlfriend lives on Whore Avenue.

    And my boss does happen to live on Penis Street.

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  12. Re:Google is Today's Tom Sawyer by 517714 · · Score: 2

    Gaming of the system is the next logical step. One might be able to route people to one's neighborhood by submitting false one-way streets, road closures, altered speed limits, and traffic jam reports.

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