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FTC: "Video Game Self Regulation Works"

Itesh writes "Following an established trend, a Federal Trade Commission undercover shopper survey found that video game retailers continue to enforce most vigorously the ratings governing age and content that were established by the entertainment media industry. Music CD retailers lag far behind movie theaters, as well as movie DVD and video game retailers, in preventing unaccompanied children under age 17 from purchasing entertainment intended for mature audiences."

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  1. Duh! by Desler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet all the politicians who think we need to enact all these stricter laws when it comes to video game sales will ignore this and try to claim that any 5 year old can walk into a game store and buy GTA IV on their own.

    1. Re:Duh! by houghi · · Score: 4, Informative

      People would laugh at the idea of mandatory age-ratings on books, so why do they accept it on movies and games?

      Reminds me when I wanted to see a movie and was not allowed in. I then just bought the book and that had WAY MORE explicit sex and violence then the movie.

      Also see what Zappa said way back:
      http://downlode.org/Etext/zappa.html and for those too lazy to read: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc

      Talking about songs and not video games, but same difference.

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    2. Re:Duh! by grumbel · · Score: 2

      People would laugh at the idea of mandatory age-ratings on books, so why do they accept it on movies and games?

      I think that has one very simple reasons: Violence in books is text, not picture, thus much more abstract and less interesting for children.

      And when it comes to picture books, well pornography is already regulated, try to sell that to minors and see how far you get with that. And with violent picture books, aka comics, there also have been quite a few outcries and tries to get it regulated.

      So its not really that books are handled different because they are books, but because they actually are different and when they are not, you have pretty much the same issues.

    3. Re:Duh! by kelemvor4 · · Score: 2

      I've had instances where I wish there were some sort of rating system for books. An example would be last summer when my 12 year old daughter asked me to get her a copy of a book called "Go ask alice". Sounded ok. Plot summary on the back seemed like no big deal.... it wasn't until someone else mentioned they were shocked I'd let her read it that I actually picked it up and realized I'd made a big mistake. In the end I spent a lot of time talking to her about the issues within since you can't put the shit back in the horse.

      Having said that, I think that there are games rated T that I've given to my kids when they were as young as 8. There needs to be some way for a parent to have some idea what the content is and form the basis for an opinion. Games aren't really art, and most aren't even educational unless you're trying to teach the kids that they can get their money back from the hooker in gta if you kill the hooker after using her services. That game's a bad example, though.. even without a rating system it's pretty obvious that it's not for kids.

      I think the best thing to do is make it a voluntary system like the one on games, where it is not legislated. When it comes to movies, I think the ratings are often a bit more conservative than they should be. My 10 year old has seen many many PG-13 movies, and even one or two R rated movies. Still, the fact that I think the rating is too conservative doesn't mean that I think the rating system should go away. It provides a baseline for me as a parent to make a decision about letting my kids watch it. It's not a perfect system, but I think it's far better than no system at all. Like the movie system they should all be voluntary, there are plenty of not rated movies out there - some of which are perfectly OK for kids to see; but the fact that it's not rated would tip me off that I need to do some investigation (probably just a quick trip to imdb or something) before letting my kids watch.

      So to answer your question, I'd support voluntary ratings for books - but not mandatory ones. I was under the impression that video game and movie ratings were voluntary, are they not?

    4. Re:Duh! by Hatta · · Score: 2

      First, meta-analyses are worthless. It's a polite way of saying post-hoc data fudging.

      Second, increases in aggressive behavior are common after all sorts of normally encouraged activities. e.g. sports, watching Power Rangers, playing Cops & Robbers or Cowboys & Indians.

      Third, aggressive behavior is normal in humans. Show me a study where violent video game playing is shown to increase future criminal behavior.

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    5. Re:Duh! by story645 · · Score: 2

      So to answer your question, I'd support voluntary ratings for books - but not mandatory ones.

      There essentially are, or at least if you look at hardcover children's books, many of them do give an age range on the front book flap. Also, children's books tend to be separated into age categories in the actual book store. The only category that seems to not be differentiated (though I'm starting to see it) is the teen section, but I think that's also 'cause publishers tend to lump all teens (from 13 to 19) into the same broad category.

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    6. Re:Duh! by KarrdeSW · · Score: 2

      Realistically, the movie rating system is only voluntary if you plan to not make any money, or have anyone see your film. Yes, you can get yours hands on a film where the creator did not accept the review board's rating, but you usually have to seek it out, go find it. You won't see it appear in most mainstream theaters because the theaters simply don't accept them.

      On a slightly related note, the review boards that rate movies make some absurd decisions.

      Tons of realistic violence? PG-13... Maybe R if you disembowel somebody.
      Flash a boob? Rated R
      Someone touches said boob? NC-17
      There are exceptions, of course, because the review boards also don't have a consistent or transparent process. That NC-17 rating could simply be the result of a few people being on the day they reviewed the film.

  2. Re:Self-Regulation Never Works by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

    Even the most unscrupulous of organizations will self-regulate if it's directly essential to retaining their customers. Besides, with games, unlike other media, it's natural to hold off on access to things until certain conditions have been met: "YOU MUST BE AT LEAST LEVEL 17 TO PURCHASE THIS GAME."

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  3. Missing the point. by LastGunslinger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If someone is old enough to walk into a store and purchase a product, then that person is probably old enough to not be significantly harmed by hearing, seeing, or playing the content. The ratings should exist as a guide to parents, who shouldn't purchase these products for young children. By the time they're teenagers and have their own money and transportation, there are more pressing things to worry about than if they're seeing boobs in a movie, hearing explicit lyrics in a song, or turning enemies into a mass of blood and gore in a video game. Let's worry about keeping them in school, off of drugs, and not pregnant.

    1. Re:Missing the point. by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course the kid isn't going to be harmed by sexually explicit stuff. The average kid sees his first female breast within their first day of existence, probably plays "doctor" before he's in school, and has probably kissed someone of the appropriate sex with somewhat sexual intent by the time he's about 10 or 12. I distinctly remember my middle school principle getting on the PA to tell students to stop copping feels the hallways. And a bunch of my high school classmates ended up pregnant years before turning 20. In short, kids are nowhere near as naive as their parents would like them to be.

      These legal efforts aren't and have never been about protecting kids. They're about protecting parents from the thought that their little angel will at some point in their life have sex. Kids are rather horrified at the thought that mom & dad would get it on too, but they're legally second-class citizens and can't vote so their opinions don't matter politically.

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    2. Re:Missing the point. by corbettw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And a bunch of my high school classmates ended up pregnant years before turning 20. In short, kids are nowhere near as naive as their parents would like them to be.

      You just contradicted yourself. It is exactly the naivete of high schoolers that leads them to getting pregnant in the first place.

      Granted that draconian rules on keeping kids away from each other rather than teach them how to be responsible can tend to lead to that kind of naivete, but underage pregnancy is still a symptom of the kids being naive so my point still stands.

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  4. Re:read it too fast by dev.null.matt · · Score: 2
    From the article:

    Parents can learn more about how entertainment media for children are rated here. This site describes the different ratings systems, and provides links to the organizations that sponsor them.

    I guess you did read it too fast.

  5. Self. by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We're not supposed to have a problem with censorship when it's by private industry, because it's only censorship when the government does it. But if the industry is self-censoring because the only alternative is the threat of the government stepping in and doing it (which would presumably be unconstitutional) and that results in a whole range of content not having distribution and titles that do have distribution being modified so that they have less teeth (think of the most mature game versus the most mature movie you can get at the theater or on DVD) . . . and I have to ask "what's the difference?". One is a result directly mandated by the government and the other result is derived through extortion by the government. Worse, the extortion/threat method allows them to accomplish the same thing through a ratings middle-man in a private industry that keeps them from getting their hands dirty at a legal level.

  6. Rating systems by LordStormes · · Score: 2

    I have no problem with self-regulation, however, it needs to be simplified. There is one rating system for movies, one for TV, and one for games. Let's make one common scale, and something easy, and then have all the boards work together - I mean, TV shows are like movies. Games are like movies. TV shows are sometimes about movies, and games are sometimes about both. It only makes sense.

    How about a rating system like what Xbox Arcade uses?

    Sex: 0/5
    Violence: 3/5
    Language: 1/5
    Drug References: 0/5

    Then, add up the numbers and apply to a chart to determine overall age appropriateness, and say, "Not appropriate for children under X." Do that for all three types of media (hell, even books). Only makes sense.

    1. Re:Rating systems by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      ESBR ratings already have a content descriptors which provide far more information that a 1-5 scale (does 2/5 for violence mean violence of a more graphic nature that a 1/5 score, or does it mean a higher quantity of the same violence?).

      Rather than having to pick a number on a 1-5 violence scale to limit what can be played you choose from a list (note this is alpabetical not orded by violence level - which is debatable anyway is a photorealistic rape scene more or less violent than an animated decapitation):

      Animated Blood - Discolored and/or unrealistic depictions of blood
      Blood - Depictions of blood
      Blood and Gore - Depictions of blood or the mutilation of body parts
      Cartoon Violence - Violent actions involving cartoon-like situations and characters. May include violence where a character is unharmed after the action has been inflicted
      Fantasy Violence - Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life
      Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons and depictions of human injury and death
      Sexual Violence - Depictions of rape or other violent sexual acts
      Violence - Scenes involving aggressive conflict. May contain bloodless dismemberment
      Violent References - References to violent acts

      And there's the whole "gambling" category you didn't include that some people would consider "worse" than language.

      Yes the top line rating isn't very useful, but there's a lot more detail on the box take two games both with an M:

      Homefront: Blood, Strong Language, Violence

      L.A. NOIRE: Blood and Gore, Nudity, Sexual Themes, Strong Language, Use of Drugs, Violence

      Clearly very different, but the current ESBR system provides the information to tell the difference if you look at a bit more than just the top level rating.

  7. Re:Personal responsibility by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Natural human responsibility? You're not a student of history, are you? Everyone's always been blaming everything on someone else. Even the bible toting population can escape it with the myth of the first man Adam blaming eating an apple on the first woman Eve who blamed it on a snake. So... If that's your baseline "natural", then there ya go, nobody takes responsibility "naturally".

    Of course, if we're talking evolution, taking responsibility only makes sense if it propagated our species. Doesn't make much sense in a death penalty court case. Doesn't make much sense in telling your lover you screwed around on her/him (since you are now very unlikely to procreate with said lover).

    So... what's this "natural" thing you are talking about? Or is that some 1950's sounding buzzword to return us all to the "good ole days"?

    If everybody took responsibility for themselves, their children, and their own actions and words, then what's in that for government? The goal is to transfer that natural human responsibility to the business of government, justifying yet even more power and revenue for the elite few. The goal is to have the populace run to government at the first hint of a problem -- NOT to think for themselves and come to a reasonable solution, skipping the middleman entirely.

    You're not in the buisiness of government, are you?

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  8. Video Sales and Ratings by Drathos · · Score: 2

    I worked at Suncoast several years ago and we were explicitly told not to enforce age restrictions on movies (discretion allowed on the "adult" movies, but still no carding). Anyone with the cash was allowed to buy R or Unrated movies. Meanwhile, the Gamestop next door was turning away kids trying to buy Grand Theft Auto. Often parents would come in, ask why their kid couldn't buy it, then buy it for them anyway.

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