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Righthaven Defies Court In Domain Name Ruling

Hugh Pickens writes "Copyright troll Righthaven makes their money by coercing defendants of alleged copyright infringement into settling with them with threats of $150,000 in damages and forfeiture of the defendants' website domain names. Now EFF reports that Chief Judge Hunt of the federal court in Nevada, which is overseeing more than 200 Righthaven copyright cases, has dismissed Righthaven's merit-less claim to seize its victim's domain names. Righthaven contended that the mere hosting of any infringing material meant that the entire domain name was forfeit but the judge rejected that claim, explaining that the 'Court finds that Righthaven's request for such relief fails as a matter of law and is dismissed.' But now Righthaven has filed a new copyright case in Nevada federal court that not only demands forfeiture of the domain name but has asked the Court to 'order the surrender to Righthaven of all hardware, software, electronic media and domains, including the Domain used to store, disseminate and display the unauthorized versions of any and all copyrighted works.' The new complaint also asserts that Righthaven holds the 'exclusive rights' to Stephens Media news articles, despite the Strategic Alliance Agreement showing that Stephens Media retains these rights."

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  1. Proof Positive by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact that "Righthaven" are even allowed into court any more, in any jurisdiction, is proof positive that the justice system is broken.

    1. Re:Proof Positive by poetmatt · · Score: 2

      So you don't even believe in the justice system at all, even when this is an example of times when it actually *works*? wow. Should this just be judge, jury, executioner instead?

      Even if Righthaven may be a copyright troll doesn't mean that shouldn't be determined by court. We do have a constitution you know.

    2. Re:Proof Positive by Golddess · · Score: 2

      Serious question. If someone "cries wolf" too often, why shouldn't they eventually be disallowed from suing others?

      Of course, maybe what Righthaven is doing doesn't count as "crying wolf", in which case, my question becomes a hypothetical.

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    3. Re:Proof Positive by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      No, of course not. It's entirely possible for someone to cry wolf 500 times, and then later suffer a legitimate injustice.

    4. Re:Proof Positive by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, of course not. It's entirely possible for someone to cry wolf 500 times, and then later suffer a legitimate injustice.

      It's entirely possible for them to think about that prior to crying wolf 500 times.

      It's entirely possible for them to be held up as an example to others, a warning against those who might feel inclined to similarly cry wolf.

      Particularly when their crying wolf is not a matter that's just between themselves and the judge, but involves the legal intimidation of innocents. All of these strong-arm tactics are over a relatively trivial matter like unauthorized copying, not gang violence or warfare or impending catastrophe.

      So now they are following the latest trend and trying to go after domains and equipment. They're following in the footsteps of what the government is doing in the name of safety and anti-terrorism, methods they no doubt admire. That's the latest escalation, then? Copyright cases need a "loser pays" system, where the loser of a case has to pay all of the opposition's legal expenses (perhaps times 1.5). Remove the profit from being a copyright troll and embolden the recipients of these threats to insist that the cases go to court. That's the best long-term solution to this kind of company. It also addresses the apparent rarity of such reasonable judges as this one.

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    5. Re:Proof Positive by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm thinking they are really pushing their luck filing a new case with claims that the same court has already dismissed as being unenforceable under law. These guys have already pissed this judge off, if they don't watch out he's likely to go after their license. The judge has already admonished them that using the federal circuit as a business office is not the intent of the law, trying to refile the same claims he has rejected in a similar case is really just asking to have the hammer brought down on their heads.

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    6. Re:Proof Positive by Dishevel · · Score: 2

      They have been heard. Many times.
      The problem is that they have not been found by the courts as of yet to be a complete waste of the air they breathe.
      They should have been disbarred long ago. The reason people hate lawyers is because it is lawyers that have allowed these people to continue to practice law.
      There is NO reason for Righthaven to still exist. None.

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    7. Re:Proof Positive by jonbryce · · Score: 2

      Well in England, if you do that, you get listed as a vexatious litigant usually after the 5th or 6th time, which means you aren't allowed to sue anyone else.
      http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.uk/AboutUs/Pages/VexatiousLitigants.aspx

    8. Re:Proof Positive by zildgulf · · Score: 2

      We do NOT have a Constitutional right to sue everyone and anyone with frivolous lawsuits indefinitely. "Righthaven" has gone full nuts and filed a lawsuit that doesn't have a snowballs' chance in H*LL given the previous ruling, which, by my definition, is frivolous. When this lawsuit is shutdown and another even more grandiose lawsuit, not appeal, is filed by "Righthaven" comes to this court he should be slapped with a lifetime ban on filling ALL lawsuits in this court.

      And yes, when the courts allow such frivolous lawsuits and SLAPP lawsuits to be filed (which are just as annoying), without challenge, these are indications that that specific court system is completely broken.

    9. Re:Proof Positive by sjames · · Score: 2

      In order to actually be working, the judge would need the ability to rule on matters of law before the defendant is even notified of the suit. That is, if something Righthaven is asking for would not happen even if everything they claim is perfectly true, it should be struck down as moot before the defendant has to bother with it. Otherwise, given the cost of being a defendant, even a successful one, it's not so much working as it is not failing completely.

    10. Re:Proof Positive by Svippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, of course not. It's entirely possible for someone to cry wolf 500 times, and then later suffer a legitimate injustice.

      Isn't the entire moral of Peter and the Wolf that you should not 'cry wolf' unless it is a legitimate issue, because then no one will care when it is real? Or did you miss that part?

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  2. Where's the 3-strikes law for shitty lawyers? by Zeek40 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, they need to start disbarring lawyers who repeatedly bring these meritless lawsuits to court. That's the only thing that's going to stop them from continuing to use the legal system as their own personal slot machine.

    1. Re:Where's the 3-strikes law for shitty lawyers? by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This. We need tort reform in a big way. Lawyers and plaintiffs that bring frivolous lawsuits to court should have to repay the defendant for legal fees and lost wages. Heavy punitive damages should be levied against the bastards for abusing the court system. Lawyers who still don't get it ought to be disbarred permanently. That would end this in a hurry.

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    2. Re:Where's the 3-strikes law for shitty lawyers? by NevarMore · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seriously, they need to start dismembering lawyers who repeatedly bring these meritless lawsuits to court. That's the only thing that's going to stop them from continuing to use the legal system as their own personal slot machine.

    3. Re:Where's the 3-strikes law for shitty lawyers? by dwillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or just start actually enforcing the existing penalties for filing fraudulent suits and claims. Such penalties already exist, but getting the various state's to enforce them isn't always easy.

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    4. Re:Where's the 3-strikes law for shitty lawyers? by Schmorgluck · · Score: 2

      Indeed, the notions of abuse of process and malicious procsecution exist for a reason. IANAL, and I don't know which one applies to Righthaven's actions. Maybe both.

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    5. Re:Where's the 3-strikes law for shitty lawyers? by DurendalMac · · Score: 2

      Just one?

    6. Re:Where's the 3-strikes law for shitty lawyers? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2

      How about this: If the lawsuit was found to be willfully frivolous the full charges asked for by the plaintiff are leveled... against the plaintiff. Sue someone for a million Dollars for no apparent reason? Perhaps the court believes you that it was a mistake. Do it again? Congratulations, you just made someone rich. If the bar is set high enough only court-as-a-business-model outfits should be affected.

      That should cut down on unreasonably high damages, too. After all, you don't want to risk losing that kind of money if your case isn't waterproof.

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    7. Re:Where's the 3-strikes law for shitty lawyers? by Svartalf · · Score: 2

      Here's a hint: They don't control one of the two parties...

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  3. With/without prejudice? by Shoten · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the original claim was dismissed "without prejudice," that doesn't preclude Righthaven from starting it all over again. If that's what has happened, then what they're doing isn't defiance of the court as much as trying to buy their way out of a bluff, proverbially speaking. Granted, it's not too likely that they'll succeed, but the idea of asking for all the "offending" infrastructure along with the domain name is to put a Sword of Damocles over the heads of the defendants so that if they lose, they'll lose everything.

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    1. Re:With/without prejudice? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Righthaven's business model (extortion/copyright trolling) relies on the ongoing threat of forfeiture of IP, domains, or other assets.

      Having an open lawsuit is essential to their business so they can point to it and say to their mark, "See, we're litigating this right now. You could be next." If one gets dismissed, they have to just file another one in a different way.

  4. Trolls Trolling Trolls by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Righthaven is the copyright arm of the Las Vegas Review Journal...to give you an idea of the nuttiness we have to endure here in SinCity, keep in mind that the newspaper vehemently and viciously supported Her Wackiness Sharron Angle for Senate last year but then, in a grand showing of just how much they love their own wacky brand of libertarianism, sued her as a part of the Righthaven IP trolling campaign while continuing to donate money to her and devote editorial space to her campaign on a daily basis.

    It had a strange beauty...like watching two warthogs fighting over a rotting squirrel carcass while mating.

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  5. Thank You for Smoking by repetty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This reminds me of a bit of dialog from the movie "Thank Your for Smoking":

    Joey Naylor: Dad, why is the American government the best government?
    Nick Naylor: Because of our endless appeals system.

  6. What plaintiffs like Righthaven don't get... by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that the only thing that keeps people from shooting each other is the court system.

    If you remove the trust that society places in the court system for dispensing significant amounts of justice, then courts are no longer the barrier between people with weapons.

    Don't say it doesn't happen, because it happens all over the world.

    Go ahead guys, keep abusing the system. First ones against the wall and all that.

    I feel like I am living in France in 1788 and we are all arguing over mouldy bread and bad wine.

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  7. Something is Wrong with this Picture. by MarkvW · · Score: 2

    If you've got a judgment rendered in state court, the fed courts won't let you re-present the same case in federal court. The general doctrine is called abstention, and the particular variant is called the Rooker-Feldman Doctrine.

    If they're jerking the same people around over the same subject matter, the federal judge will eat their face.

    Start up the sanction motions!

  8. Re:Great! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    Depends on your definition of merit. In all the cases the defendants did use copyrighted material. Most of the uses fall under fair use. That's not the problem as Righthaven can make arguments against it. They won't win but doesn't mean the suit is without merit. The problem is that Righthaven may not have standing to sue and has been told that. And yes you are allowed to say no to a client and the client can take their money elsewhere. The question is whether you want to take the case.

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  9. Re:Great! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    There are multiple filing which should not be confused. The lawsuits that Righthaven have filed are about whether defendants have violated copyrights. Within each lawsuit the plaintiff and defendant can file motions. In this case RightHaven vs Thomas DiBiase, Righthaven filed a motion to seize DiBiase's domain name. Part of the suit, both DiBiase and RightHaven filed motions to dismiss different parts of the lawsuit. DiBiase wanted the judge to dismiss Righthaven's request to seize their domain name and RightHaven wanted the judge to dismiss DiBiase's counterclaims.

    As mentioned above, DiBiase’s motion is limited to a request that the Court dismiss Righthaven’s demand for an order transferring DiBiase’s website domain name to Righthaven and for attorney’s fees.

    The judge agreed with DiBiase about the domain name seizure and disagreed with RightHaven about the counterclaims.

    None of this, however, has addressed whether the suit has merit. In new cases, RightHaven again has made a motion to the judge. The judge will probably be pissed that they made such a motion again; however, it still does not reflect whether RightHaven's case has merit. There is a difference between merit and remedy as remedy is what you expect should you win; it says nothing about whether you should win.

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