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Malaysian Government Offers Free E-mail To All Citizens

jfruhlinger writes "Attempts to move governments to electronic communications often hit a serious snag: Governments must serve all citizens, and not all citizens have email addresses. Malaysia's solution to the problem: offer free email to every Malaysian adult. Citizens will be able to get their @myemail.my address by inserting a smartcard into a reader or presenting it in person." Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?

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  1. What difference .... by unity100 · · Score: 1

    Since american corporations were so keen on providing spying/filtering equipment to even the regimes they were banned from trading (iran), all world governments have the ability to spy on all kinds of communications already.

    it wouldnt matter zit, whether government is your email provider or not. either way, they will spy on you.

    1. Re:What difference .... by microbox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      it wouldnt matter zit, whether government is your email provider or not. either way, they will spy on you.

      Actually, a government department is less likely to spy on you because they have no economic incentive. All you need is privacy provision in the email act, and the chances become very slim. I've worked in government, and they like to do things by the book.

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    2. Re:What difference .... by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Informative

      Considering these e-mail addresses are meant for communication with the government, I see no problem with them being hosted by the government. Just do all your normal e-mailling with a regular provider and communicate with the government using either your own e-mail address or the government-hosted one.
      They could spy all they want; all e-mail in these boxes is either from or to them anyway.

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    3. Re:What difference .... by HungryHobo · · Score: 0

      Only if it's expensive. if it's cheap then they'll spy on you if it's a slow day and they're bored.

      http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/12/sprint-fed-customer-gps-data-to-leos-over-8-million-times.ars

    4. Re:What difference .... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      all world governments have the ability to spy on all kinds of communications already.

      Yeah? How do they spy on TLS-wrapped e-mail, web, VoIP, or XMPP traffic, OTR-wrapped AIM, or WPA2 wireless, to name a few?

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    5. Re:What difference .... by unity100 · · Score: 1

      deep packet inspection.

    6. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stealing from accused criminals ("Forfeiture") is a pretty damned lucrative business.
      Think about it - our government is run by, serves, and basically IS a corporation.

      If there was no economic incentive to spy on us, our government would not be doing it!

      Not to mention ULTIMATE POWER!!!!!!!!! =)

    7. Re:What difference .... by ArmchairGeneral · · Score: 1

      deep packet inspection.

      DPI doesn't get past encryption though.

    8. Re:What difference .... by Exitar · · Score: 1

      Obligatory xkcd:
      http://xkcd.com/538/

    9. Re:What difference .... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Remember the predator software? It was never fully disclosed, and it has evolved into something else now. So, we know that they had some rather powerful software, for which some pretty wild claims were made, and it has been improved upon since then. With or without a warrant, the government arrives at your ISP one day, and sits down to intercept all your traffic for inspection. Everything that passes into or out of your network is theirs, simple as that. If you actually have anything that they can't peer into, or that they can't crack, then they just wait til you are at work, then with or without another warrant, they enter your home to install a keylogger on your keyboard(s).

      If the government wants you badly enough, they've got you.

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    10. Re:What difference .... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, nobody freaks out about the government being in charge of postal mail, and that's actively scanned by xray. And, there are always alternatives if you don't like it.

      Actually, a government department is less likely to spy on you because they have no economic incentive. All you need is privacy provision in the email act, and the chances become very slim. I've worked in government, and they like to do things by the book.

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    11. Re:What difference .... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 0

      at higher levels of gov, they do NOT do things by the book (unless that book is The Godfather or similar).

      can you really - with a serious face - tell us that the gov has been doing things 'by the book' the last 10 or 20 yrs?

      seriously?

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    12. Re:What difference .... by unity100 · · Score: 1

      sure. but governments have sufficient budget to set up server farms/equipment to decrypt, and there are quite a many american corporations willing to sell them equipment and give them technical advice.

    13. Re:What difference .... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      calea

      nothing can get online (as a commercial product) unless its sniffable and tappable by big government.

      been this way for a long time, now, too.

      all govs. ALL of them. 'good' and bad ones; all alike in this aspect.

      DPI and hardware decode is the current rage in datacomm. (so many job interviews I've seen lately are ALL about 'managing' DPI based features on high end core-level and edge routers).

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    14. Re:What difference .... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      encryption is your warm fuzzy that you think you are secure.

      think again.

      think: blackberry. is that really secure? are you positive?

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    15. Re:What difference .... by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I have one email address that I use for my 'official' stuff, and my normal email address that my friends all use. (plus several more for spam dumps and various other things). I can use my Gmail to collate them all for me, so I don't need to check them all individually - I get them all to my phone. I also have Gmail setup so that I can email from any of these addresses too, so the recipient still gets an email from the address they have.

      So yeah, let the Government host an email address for each person, and let them pick it up however they like. The main problem here, of course, is deciding on what the email address should be. Should it be @whatever (privacy issues), or @whatever (duplicate names, so who gets the real one and who gets the ones with numbers). Or @whatever, and then tell people what it is (either via a card, or on a social security card that has this number on the back, or some other means). That way, it's somewhat anonymous, but the Government has your email address linked to your social security number, so if you lose they you can easily recover it for you.

      I do wonder, though, if the Government might then put something in place to detect if an email has been read, and what consequences this could have...

      'Your Honour, we can see from our records that the accused read the email on October 27th of last year, so he was aware of the .....'

      And could this lead to problems if you have GMail pick up the email for you, mark is as read on the server, and then filter it into spam for you?

    16. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do they spy on TLS-wrapped e-mail

      By getting the content directly from your (ISP's) servers via closed/secret warantless court procedures.

    17. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The British version of the joke goes, "Please someone explain to the ministry that 1984 was a warning, not a how-to."

    18. Re:What difference .... by JavaRob · · Score: 2

      Do some reading on the Malaysian government, though.

      They do not do things by the book. There is no book. The corruption, the nepotism, the thuggery, the ridiculous government-endorsed racism, the sheer idiocy and ignorance....

      They (the party that's been in power since the 60's -- not a good sign, is it?) don't come under pressure to clean house from the wider world because there aren't genocides going on, no large-scale horrors. They keep the abuses relatively low-key (like heavy "affirmative action" for the majority race, gross misuse of government funds, only occasional murders), so even their own citizenry generally think it's not worth it to stick their necks out to fix things. Sure, the education system sucks, and if you aren't of the right "race" you have to send your kids out of the country to get any higher education, and the corruption is embarrassing, but it's fed by oil wealth more than out of citizen's pockets directly, so it just goes on & on.

      Er, if it's not clear, no, I would not trust the Malaysian government-run email service. The internet is finally making it possible to fight back against government abuses in Malaysia with some level of anonymity and safety, and I have no doubt they're dying to get their hands on a good way to keep an eye out for citizens who might become troublemakers. Admittedly, you'd have to be a bit stupid to use your government-given email address to talk to your friends about a protest, but their education system nowadays doesn't exactly focus on critical thinking.

    19. Re:What difference .... by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

      If there's anything to be found that might count as "evidence" or remotely useful to single out "terrorists" there will be spied on it. It doesn't need to be the same agency which is providing e-mail services to you. Most probably local police authirities would be the first to look through their citizens' mailboxes as soon as there's any series of unsolved offence. There's one sure thing: If there is data, there will be someone who wants them.

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    20. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Yeah, nobody freaks out about the government being in charge of postal mail, and that's actively scanned by xray. And, there are always alternatives if you don't like it.

      You must not live in america. In the US, the Republican half of the population dislikes the idea of government doing anything other than defense and law enforcement. A much smaller part of the population takes hatred of government over the line into mental illness. For some reason, the news likes to give these people a platform.

    21. Re:What difference .... by icebraining · · Score: 2

      To decrypt a few dozen people's communications? Sure. To decrypt every connection? Hardly.

    22. Re:What difference .... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      By getting the content directly from your (ISP's) servers via closed/secret warantless court procedures.

      That's why I run my own mail servers. It's not hard.

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    23. Re:What difference .... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      That's not spying.

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    24. Re:What difference .... by WelshRarebit · · Score: 2

      When you elect people who loudly and proudly proclaim to hate government or who want to "drown the government in a bathtub", why would you be so surprised when they do an absolutely terrible job at running things? You want someone to blame? Look in the mirror.

    25. Re:What difference .... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      think: blackberry. is that really secure? are you positive?

      You can't ever really know if it's closed source, but since there was such a stink made when Blackberry handed over their keys to the repressive Middle East regimes, one supposes they needed those keys in the first place.

      Of course, it could have all been a show mean to make us think the keys were only needed at that point in time.

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    26. Re:What difference .... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      deep packet inspection.

      How does deep packet inspection thwart encryption?

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    27. Re:What difference .... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      The main problem here, of course, is deciding on what the email address should be.

      Could just let the users pick, same as 'normal' services. I assume the system will tie addresses to real names, since it's to be used for official business, so systematic assignment seems unnecessary.

    28. Re:What difference .... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      If you actually have anything that they can't peer into, or that they can't crack, then they just wait til you are at work, then with or without another warrant, they enter your home to install a keylogger on your keyboard(s).

      If the government wants you badly enough, they've got you.

      And they probably have a list of unpatched holes in the open source servers as well. But at least those things require an actual 4th Amendment warrant (local interpretations of USAPATRIOT not withstanding). The notion of ubiquitous secret interception of all communications is a different attack surface than directed warranted confiscation of evidence.

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    29. Re:What difference .... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. - Captain Barbosa / US Congresscritter

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    30. Re:What difference .... by somersault · · Score: 3, Informative

      What, so they're happy to give the government lots of guns and money to invade other countries and protect themselves, but they're unhappy at the idea of the government actually providing any useful services? Talk about whipped.

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    31. Re:What difference .... by RicktheBrick · · Score: 0

      E-mail is used only by old Koreans. It is so 20th century. The government should have a Watson like computer that could instantly respond to all of its citizens inquires. President Obama should get one so people could inquire about his policies during the next presidential race.

    32. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked in government, and they like to do things by the book.

      DoD does, other departments, depends.
      They can also spy on you by writing it in the book.

    33. Re:What difference .... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      I'm paranoid enough to believe that most commercial services will fold/are backdoored already, especially as the user is normally not the only ones with access to the keys, but I draw the line at thinking any government will be able to crack a GnuPG (or similar) encrypted email in reasonable time, however much horsepower they throw at it. Multiply that by the many billions of messages sent every day, and attempting to crack even the tiny fraction that are encrypted would be absurd (unless the NSA or their foreign counterparts have made some serious breakthroughs that haven't yet been leaked, I guess). Start forwarding encrypted spam to random addresses if you're really paranoid, so they can't even analyse based on size or destination.

      Of course, hardly anyone actually uses encryption at the endpoints, and (depending on your government) the simple use of encryption might be enough to cast suspicion. The solution, of course, is to make open-source point-to-point encryption transparent enough that it's usable for the average person, and then encourage them to do so. Much easier said than done, though, obviously.

    34. Re:What difference .... by jpapon · · Score: 3, Funny

      So your argument against government is that they're like corporations? So wait, who CAN we trust to provide us services? Nobody?

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    35. Re:What difference .... by jpapon · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yep. That pretty much sums it up.

      Additionally, they believe that corporations do everything better, because they do it for a profit. They also trust corporations (which, thanks to them, have no oversight) more than the government (which has a lot of oversight, and general accountability to the public). Boggles the mind, but it's true.

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    36. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Republicans happily supports NSA, CIA, and the whole forest of US Gov intelligence agencies. The same guys supports the weapon industry and the war related industries in general. They are specially keen on private military companies. Somebody Else's Problem! No need for ethics!

    37. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Considering these e-mail addresses are meant for communication with the government, I see no problem with them being hosted by the government. Just do all your normal e-mailling with a regular provider and communicate with the government using either your own e-mail address or the government-hosted one.
      They could spy all they want; all e-mail in these boxes is either from or to them anyway.

      Here's the biggest joke of the entire thing. Its not being hosted by the government.
      1) Its an initiative by a private company
      2) They're not going to host it, or to do the infrastructure for it, rather they're going to outsource it to Microsoft to handle (ie Windows Live thingy)
      3) They're going to charge the government 50 cents per email to be sent

      fantastic huh? :)

    38. Re:What difference .... by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      You have to remember there are two rather different Blackberry implementations: one for "Internet" email and one for BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server).

      Nobody really makes all that big a claim about the security of a Blackberry that isn't on a BES server. There are some encryption options, but nothing all that secure. And yes, RIM probably does own the keys to that.

      The BES server is a whole different story. When you install the software on the server it generates a unique key. It is not under any control of RIM. Your phone makes a direct connection to the BES server without involving any RIM-owned server at all. Yes, this is pretty secure compared to anything else.

      What RIM did was provide a way into Internet email services, which would have been accessible to anyone anyway.

    39. Re:What difference .... by mlts · · Score: 1

      A government department would also have no financial incentive to spy on a person, as opposed to private E-mail providers looking to dig through stored E-mail for any information (even "anonymized") they can sell to anyone who is willing to pony up for it.

      I would also trust a government E-mail system because security is in their interest. In the private sector, oftentimes PHBs feel that because security has no obvious ROI, they can skimp on it. A breach in a private company has no consequences. In the public sector, it can have disastrous consequences.

    40. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One party since the 60's?? Isn't that great from a Singaporean perspective? Lee Kuan Yew has been de facto dictator of Singapore since the same period. Not only one party, but one guy... You could argue that his son is the leader, but few Singaporeans believe so.

      My guess: Malaysia will improve after Lee Kuan Yew dies. That will trigger some discussions in Singapore and the whole region. The good old dictator needs a good natural death. He has done a lot of good, but he failed when it comes to power transfer and transparency. He will be positively remembered. Asia has a huge problem when it comes to respect for the old and powerful. They need to be able to think new without being to concerned about the old guys views.

      Malaysia is also not that bad seen in a international perspective. There is a lot of positiveness in the country. It is clearly one of my favourite countries to travel in, but I also now many Malaysian citizens that left the country of political reasons. Malaysia could change it self into a true multicultural powerhouse. A country where South-East Asia, India, China, and the West meets and do business.

    41. Re:What difference .... by hodagacz · · Score: 1

      I had a .mil and a .gov address for years and never had any problems with the QoS. At least no more or less than with any private providers.

    42. Re:What difference .... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Considering these e-mail addresses are meant for communication with the government, I see no problem with them being hosted by the government. Just do all your normal e-mailling with a regular provider and communicate with the government using either your own e-mail address or the government-hosted one.
      They could spy all they want; all e-mail in these boxes is either from or to them anyway.

      Or consider it's Malaysia, and they're a pretty religious (Islam) lot as well. It's could very well be a stepping stone to full on email surveillance. You can use this email, or your own email, doesn't matter either way. The government will just introduce a law saying all email must go through them and all the ISPs will comply.

      We talk about the Great Firewall of China, but many other Asian countries have their own firewalls and such things, and authoritatian governments. We just don't hear too much about them because for the most part, the people are happy enough and things run well. (Well, the other thing is they tend to nip opposition in the bud. A political "opposition" leader getting a bit too much sway with things? Fabricate false charges of homosexuality...)

    43. Re:What difference .... by cavreader · · Score: 0

      And thanks for your efforts in elevating a small minority of US extremists into a majority mob, There are extremist on all sides but they represent a substantial minority of the total population. Most Americans are busy just living their lives instead of wasting it by standing around constantly bitching and moaning about how terrible things are. Promagating weak stereotypes does nothing but generate hate and anger which always leads to the same violent ends and when it does those doing the most complaining will look around and say maybe things were not that bad after all but it will be too late by then.

    44. Re:What difference .... by meerling · · Score: 1

      Actually spying and law enforcement by government officials is almost never due to economic concerns already, why do you think their snooping into email would be any different?

    45. Re:What difference .... by Cwix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, there are plenty of republicans who feel the government should only do two things, kill brown people, and keep them out of the country.

      There are sane people, but for some reason many of them refuse to take a stand against the bat shit crazies. The crazies on the far right (including teabaggers) wont be happy until every single piece of the government is chopped up and sold off piece meal to a for profit corp that will require a profit margin to do the same job that the government did without the profit margin.

      That what I never understood about "fiscal conservatives" how can we save money if we have a new cost, namely profit margin. Until I hear a reasonable answer anyone who wants to offload government duties to a corporation will be just plain stupid in my book.

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    46. Re:What difference .... by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      I've worked in government, and they like to do things by the book.

      You've worked for the Malaysian government?
      There are a lot of governments that would probably act as you have said, either for the reasons you have stated, or from laziness or incompetence.
      But there are a lot of others who already go to great lengths to learn a great deal about their citizens actions and communication.
      Those I would not trust to be my e-mail provider.

      Now, the trick is to know which sort of government you happen to live under.

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    47. Re:What difference .... by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      The [theoretical] Republican idea is that government is grossly inefficient, so it should only do things the public cannot be entrusted to do. For example, the military and police are justified only because we can't reasonably allow vigilantism.

      (I say "theoretical," by the way, because all the small-government rhetoric goes out the window when you start talking about the Republican social agenda.)

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    48. Re:What difference .... by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      Good question. They reflash the BIOS of your PC without you noticing it and get the data before it is encrypted. Or they use an existing backdoor in the BIOS. Or they hack and reflash the firmware on other devices like e.g. your wireless router. Or they hijack existing upgrade mechanisms of software on your PC (using bogus DNS services) to put a rootkit on it. Perhaps they have control of an SSL certificate authority and can successfully launch a man in the middle attack. Perhaps they can control the default DNS server of your ISP - or did you change it? Or there is a working exploit in your operating system they could use to install a rootkotit. They could also combine any these methods.

      Just some ideas. There seem to be many ways. The question is whether it's worth the efforts. My guess is that only a few governments can successfully spy on almost all communications already, the US being at #1 position. But perhaps not even the US does it routinely/untargeted. Just a guess though.

    49. Re:What difference .... by somersault · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm not really interested in being associated with any ideology, but one argument for privatisation would probably be for efficiency, as large governments (thought also large corporations) get quite bogged down just from their sheer size and inertia, but I don't have a problem with for example the NHS here in Scotland, it's always done a decent job for me. It's not perfect of course, but I'm happy that those who couldn't otherwise afford healthcare can still be looked after those who want to go private can opt out too I think. IMO it's great to provide the option.

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    50. Re:What difference .... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      That what I never understood about "fiscal conservatives" how can we save money if we have a new cost, namely profit margin. Until I hear a reasonable answer anyone who wants to offload government duties to a corporation will be just plain stupid in my book.

      I'm not labeling my self as a "fiscal conservative" but i will say that the current incarnation of government has issues - and i understand that a profit margin is a new "cost" compared to current government.. but in the rest of the world if you can't turn a profit you die.. in the government we can just spend money that doesn't exist and bank roll it for our selves and screw the public.

      If sections of government where held accountable for quantitative results based on their effort and the funds put into them - most would disappear.. or better they would clean up their act and get shit done and we can actually start having the services we have been paying for via taxes.

      I find it horridly sad that the local fire department the fighters don't get paid and they have to sell burgers out side sams and walmart to drum up cash for new protective suits.. compare that to bailing out wall street who was responsible for the mess they made.. or just about all the other crap that our government spends money on..

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    51. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you need is privacy provision in the email act, and the chances become very slim. I've worked in government, and they like to do things by the book.

      You were not high enough up the ladder or... not in one of the firms that manage the actual infrastructure for the government.

    52. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All your flag waving and government loving here is a joke. The government has the illusion of oversight and general accountability, unless you're someone like Julian Assange. In that case you are fair game. Is the US government being run by Scientologists?

    53. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure.

      Might as well cut out the middle men - maybe get a rebate on my taxes!

    54. Re:What difference .... by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Agreed. And it should be the same with ID cards. There's a time when you need to identify yourself when interacting with _your_ gov. But it shouldn't be used for any other purpose. Like social security numbers are reserved for use with the social security. Ho, wait...

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    55. Re:What difference .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOBODYYyyy...!!!

    56. Re:What difference .... by RobNich · · Score: 1

      Republicans dislike the idea of the FEDERAL government doing anything outside those specifically outlined in the US Constitution. The state and local governments are not part of that. It's not all government.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalism

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    57. Re:What difference .... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      They do not do things by the book. There is no book. The corruption, the nepotism, the thuggery, the ridiculous government-endorsed racism, the sheer idiocy and ignorance....

      Welcome to Asia mate.

      That's commonplace in every SE Asian nation. Thailand for Thais, Malaysia for Malays, Vietnam for Viets. Compared to their neighbours, Malaysia is quite open to foreigners considering I can buy land and my first car is tax free.

      Corruption and graft is an economy in itself, but that's how things get done over there. Yep it's highly inefficient (which is why I laugh at the people who constantly whine about western governmental inefficiency) but it's cultural.

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    58. Re:What difference .... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      That what I never understood about "fiscal conservatives" how can we save money if we have a new cost, namely profit margin. Until I hear a reasonable answer anyone who wants to offload government duties to a corporation will be just plain stupid in my book.

      Most will complain about governmental efficiency and claim that the profit margin is easily covered by increases in efficiency.

      This argument ignores three things.

      1: Government departments are not that inefficient. There are a few bad examples that get constantly dragged up but on the whole, they perform their functions as well as most private entities. Lets take postal services vs couriers. For some reason the private sector cannot complete with the likes of Royal Mail, Australia Post and USPS, especially for low priority mail.

      2: You can apply a corporate structure to a government department, this is done quite a bit in Australia and we call it "corporatisation". This separates departments from bureaucracy by forming their own executive leadership. The government effectively becomes the (only) shareholder. What people forget is that corporations also generate a lot of internal bureaucracy and will ignore inefficiency as long as it's not affecting the bottom line.

      3: There's no profit to be found in government services. This is why so few private entities offering these services exist. A private security force could not operate as a general police force without a severe dip in services. A corporation can abandon a suburb when costs outweigh profits, the police cannot do this.

      Because of this, "fiscal conservatives" and libertarians also put in my pants on head retarded column.

      BTW, do we really want the tax office to become as ruthless as a corporation when it comes to collecting revenue?

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    59. Re:What difference .... by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      Besides it costs less than printing stamps and maintaining a postal system.

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  2. USPO by uiucgrad · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If the Post Office had done this 10 years ago it might still have a chance of staying in business.

    1. Re:USPO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The post office is a black government operation. It is self-sufficient.

    2. Re:USPO by gblackwo · · Score: 2

      The second MIB movie makes much more sense now. Thanks!

    3. Re:USPO by jmcharry · · Score: 3, Informative

      Over twenty years ago the USPS was working on a plan to install Group IV fax machines in post offices and offer a very fast document delivery service. Congress stopped them because they thought it would compete with private services. (Group IV fax produces copy about like a laser printer, and about as fast, but requires ISDN.) I suspect the same would have happened had they tried to offer email.

    4. Re:USPO by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The Post Office has traditionally been self-sufficient. Whether it can remain self sufficient in the e-mail age is yet to be determined.

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    5. Re:USPO by thedonger · · Score: 1

      The Post Office has traditionally been self-sufficient. Whether it can remain self sufficient in the e-mail age is yet to be determined.

      Yeah, if only they could invent a way for us to send our mail "electronically." Oh...

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    6. Re:USPO by boristdog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe the USPS DID have a plan to set up "official" USPS e-mail addresses for people back in the 1990's.

      I think it was the brilliant plan of charging people $0.15 per e-mail that did them in.

      If they had just done a free service and charged advertisers (who provide the bulk of their revenue anyway) they could have preempted gmail, yahoo, hotmail...

    7. Re:USPO by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      I recall the USPS *was* planning to do this 10 years ago. I did a quick search and found an article criticizing the plan.

      I think that was what prompted me to think of asking for the email address soggyballz6969@usps.gov. (Probably wouldn't allow it.)

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    8. Re:USPO by dargaud · · Score: 1

      About a decade ago the french white pages did provide two email addresses to everybody in it, at the firstname.lastname@whitepages.fr and phonenumber@whitepages.fr (or something like that, the details are hazy). It was good for about a week before the spammers launched a free for all on it. It was shut down shortly after that.

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  3. Taco You Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?

    Taco, you are a moron. Have you ever heard of the United States Postal Service? What the fuck do you think they do?

    1. Re:Taco You Idiot by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?

      Taco, you are a moron. Have you ever heard of the United States Postal Service? What the fuck do you think they do?

      USPO delivers sealed envelopes. It's hard to open, read, and seal physical envelopes. It's trivial to read email in flight assuming people don't use PGP.

    2. Re:Taco You Idiot by v1 · · Score: 1

      USPO delivers sealed envelopes. It's hard to open, read, and seal physical envelopes. It's trivial to read email in flight assuming people don't use PGP.

      I was just going to compare US mail with email+pgp. They know who you're communicating with, but can't easily read it. No difference really.

      Besides, nowadays it's become painfully obvious how easy it is for any government to squeeze a copy of your emails out of any service provider on their soil. And just look at how efficiently blackberry has automated the process of the govt reading your email?

      Anyone with any expectation of privacy in their email, from anywhere, from anything, through anyone, without PGP, is delusional.

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    3. Re:Taco You Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Envelope have been de-sealed and re-sealed before. Would you notice? Would you can enough to watch for every posible tiny detail? What if they just put the mail in a new envelop? Do you sing or certify the envolope you use?

      Sealed envelop mean noting.

      All gouverment should provide email to every citizen and make it acessible for free in poste office, library and other public acessible infrastructure where computer are avaible. People that do not own computer should have equal acess to their gouverment. This is a terrific idea.

    4. Re:Taco You Idiot by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Have you ever heard of the United States Postal Service?

      1990's totally-unbelievable fantastic paranoid delusions are ho-hum mainstream knowledge now. If we didn't already have a USPS, and someone were to suggest creating it today, seriously: would you trust it to be your mail provider? I think nearly everyone would just assume the service's real purpose would be to monitor citizens.

      USPS was founded during a time when government's reputation was very different.

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    5. Re:Taco You Idiot by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Envelope have been de-sealed and re-sealed before. Would you notice? Would you can enough to watch for every posible tiny detail?
      What if they just put the mail in a new envelop? Do you sing or certify the envolope you use?

      Sealed envelop mean noting.

      All gouverment should provide email to every citizen and make it acessible for free in poste office, library and other public acessible infrastructure where computer are avaible. People that do not own computer should have equal acess to their gouverment. This is a terrific idea.

      Dude, err, what?

      Governments don't have the manpower to open and re-seal letters in large quantities. One perl script could scan huge amounts of mail in a very small amount of time.

    6. Re:Taco You Idiot by c6gunner · · Score: 0

      1990's totally-unbelievable fantastic paranoid delusions are ho-hum mainstream delusions now.

      FTFY

  4. Would you by Cornwallis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?

    I don't trust my government to be my government!

    1. Re:Would you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?

      I don't trust my government to be my government!

      The question begs you to think about it from our prospective as /.ers. Even if we disagree on some things we do have a common series of personality traits.

      This is a program for people who don't have email already, and thus likely aren't going to do much for it anyways other to get or request info from the government that their government already has their hands in.

      I wouldn't object to having and using a government email for government things, i.e. taxes, registrations, etc. to keep that stuff tied to a single email instead of trying to remember which email I used for that last year. Would I do everything on it? No.

    2. Re:Would you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a similar note: It also isn't your government! ;)

      Cheers,
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    3. Re:Would you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMEN!

  5. Trust by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

    Sure. Since email's not remotely secure anyway, this would eliminate any "I wonder if my government is reading my mail" concerns. If you need secure coms, PGP is very easy to set up, so much so that I wonder why it's not used more. I would think that if Google supported it in GMail it would probably be more popular. Of course PGP doesn't hide who you're communicating *with*, only what you're saying.

    1. Re:Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More simply putting something in email is broadcasting it to the world period. The email provider is of no consequence.

    2. Re:Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's fair. Regular postal mail doesn't hide who you are communicating with either. I'm fine with the government knowing that much. For one thing it's usually necessary for delivery.

    3. Re:Trust by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Overall though, I'd prefer government to require a warrant to get even that information, from the Post Office, or an ISP.

    4. Re:Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would think that if Google supported it in GMail it would probably be more popular.

      Webmail can't really do crypto well. (Yes, I know about Firefox gpg plugins.) The whole idea of PGP is that the client machine is the one with the key.

    5. Re:Trust by donutz · · Score: 1

      The return address is not required in many cases, so regular mail can certainly hide who you are communicating with. Or the return address can be easily spoofed.

      And if you drop the letter in a big blue mailbox or at a post office, there's no way to track the origin of the letter.

    6. Re:Trust by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      True, you would have to trust Google with your key to use a web client. It only really protect content from over the wire interception, which would at least be a start. I'd just like to see someone well known introduce signing/encrypting to the public to raise awareness.

    7. Re:Trust by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The return address is not required in many cases, so regular mail can certainly hide who you are communicating with.

      The return address is who you are. The recipient address is who you're communicating with, and generally it's hard to hide that, assuming you want it to actually get delivered.

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    8. Re:Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If GMail supported PGP/GPG then you'd have to send them your private key and that would be a very bad idea.

    9. Re:Trust by ninthbit · · Score: 1

      Actually, if they have a PKI setup as using smartcards may suggest, then this email account will likely be their most secure communication platform. It would only depend on how secure their private keys are. In any case, its more secure than an unencrypted mailbox that ANY law enforement agency or ISP employee can peek into like traditional email accounts.

    10. Re:Trust by Golddess · · Score: 1

      While an awkward way of looking at it, it could be said that omitting the return address hides who you, the recipient, are communicating with.

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  6. Would I trust the government to send my mail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Would I trust the government to send my mail? It's been happening for hundreds of years. Oh, you mean e-mail.

  7. i trust anyone to be my email provider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    providing the message actually reach the destination.

    Yes, i use GPG, and do not care who delivers the payload ;)

  8. Portugal did this in 2000 by 16384 · · Score: 1

    Back in 2000 the Portuguese government announced the creation of up to 1 million email accounts. It was a flop I think, as most people that had internet access already had an email account, but still it looks good in the press releases...

    1. Re:Portugal did this in 2000 by jrumney · · Score: 1

      My guess is that tying the account to the government issued smartcard is intended to provide a secure login for public terminals. This isn't so much aimed at people with internet access at home, rather at those without their own access so they can access government services from terminals in post offices and other public places.

  9. my government vs my government + ATT by a2wflc · · Score: 1

    As long as my email travels over AT&T equipment it doesn't really matter if my government manages my mailbox. I have to assume the government has access either way. (Same for most other telcos)

    1. Re:my government vs my government + ATT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AT&T follows laws around the world.

      In the EU, there is an email law that requires ISPs (including AT&T) to forward all email headers to law enforcement in the EU. I worked a project at AT&T to do exactly that. Email headers send from sub-ISPs were also forwarded to the same servers. I doubt any filtering was performed to limit non-EU addresses since any email could be from or to any location in the world. The good news is this is just headers (to/from/date/subject and any x-headers). I'm unsure as to whether any intermediate email server connections are being sent since I didn't write the code.

      This wasn't AT&T's idea. Talk to your representatives about your expectation of privacy and how those laws effect you. Every ISP is required to do this if they are in the EU. That means BT does it and I expect yahoo, hotmail and google do as well.

  10. nice try, flamebait by mapkinase · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:nice try, flamebait by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      "Would you trust your government to be your mail provider"

      I's not really the same thing. Physical mail needs a lot of manpower to intercept, most email can be processed with a bit of scripting.

    2. Re:nice try, flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Would you trust your government to be your mail provider"

      Well, there is a difference: USPO has to respect some basic civil rights, the Malaysian government doesn't.

    3. Re:nice try, flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) You're comparing a Postal Service with a Government.

      2) The US Government doesn't have much better a track record in terms of civil rights.

    4. Re:nice try, flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) You're comparing a Postal Service with a Government.

      2) The US Government doesn't have much better a track record in terms of civil rights.

      It is not me who was comparing USPO to the Malaysian government, but the post to which I replied - exactly to point out they were comparing USPO to the Malay gov.

      I agree on the bad track record of the US gov concerning civil rights, but this is about Malaysia.

  11. Partial by Meneth · · Score: 1

    I could use such a mail account for communications with the government. After all, they're gonna read it anyway, aren't they? Of course, for everything else, I would use one of the many gratis email providers found around the Internet.

    1. Re:Partial by todorb · · Score: 1

      I could use such a mail account for communications with the government.

      i suspect that this is exactly the purpose of the government provided email addresses.

  12. "Would you trust your government?" by seanmcelroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The question "Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?" is pretty irrelevant: if they government can subpoena your mail account for any reason, without notification, you know, to prevent any sort of "terrorism" (against the state, content providers, the prevailing political ideology)... then they already are your de facto mail provider.

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    1. Re:"Would you trust your government?" by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, thanks to the completely misnamed USA PATRIOT Act, the US government doesn't even need a subpoena but instead can send a nice totalitarian-sounding "national security letter". The advantage of the NSL over a subpoena is that even if your corporate email provider wanted to fight the NSL, they couldn't do so legally because the recipient of an NSL is expressly forbidden to tell anybody about it, and that "anybody" includes a court of law. By contrast, if for some reason the corporate email provider wanted to stand up for its customers, it could attempt to quash the subpoena and argue its case in court.

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    2. Re:"Would you trust your government?" by zoomshorts · · Score: 0

      Agreed

    3. Re:"Would you trust your government?" by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The only good news is that they actually send someone round to pick up a physical CD. Hilarious, I know.

      I would trust my government to be my e-mail provider for official correspondence. In fact, it would be kind of convenient.

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    4. Re:"Would you trust your government?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And since you're not allowed to tell anyone about it half of the United States data might already be in possession of whoever first had the idea of sending out fake national security letters with wrong telephone numbers and occasionally showing up with a fake FBI badge.

    5. Re:"Would you trust your government?" by sjames · · Score: 1

      That's why you run your own mail server. They can still subpoena it, but they can't do so without alerting you.

  13. Why wouldn't I? by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    The deliver my netflix DVDs back and forth. My rent payments. And so on.

    Why not my email too?

    Obviously things I want to hide from the government aren't going to go to or from such an email. Just like I probably wouldn't send my kidnap ransom demands via registered mail.

  14. Trust the government? by Dishwasha · · Score: 2

    We already do....http://www.usps.com. Now the key thing is that USPS is a mail transport. At any time given appropriate legal action, they are authorized to read your mail. The question is, what do you choose to do to protected the contents of your mail knowing that you have an insecure transport? Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that most of the stuff that you send is irrelevant and nobody could give a rat's ass about it. Granted, electronic mail can be copied and archived for many years with minimal cost where as archiving copies of physical mail requires significant resource investment. So now you have to decide what to do to your mail knowing that you have an insecure transport where your information can be cheaply duplicated and stored for many years. Then the biggest question has to be asked, what will the Malaysian government do to people that make their mail difficult if not impossible to read by an unintended party?

  15. Don't trust anyone by deakklok · · Score: 0

    I don't trust anyone with anything...hence, I don't share personal information online...any shopping orders that I make are with prepaid cards...I don't use e-mail except to get "blanket news updates" Call me paranoid, but these days you can only trust yourself.

  16. Funny how whenever Malaysia shows up in the news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's always something that makes you go hmm...

    Reading TFA, I noticed the fine print about the charge for using emails. A good site to get an opinion on what a great email provider the government will be there is http://www.malaysiakini.com/ It's a pay-to-view site, but the update on the article "Tricubes to charge 50 sen per email, confirms CEO" says it all: Users will be expected to pay if they want more 'secure' emails.

    I'm just thinking it'd be like the Chinese government offering free classes on human rights or peaceful demonstrations :-)

  17. Useful, but no necessary by salesgeek · · Score: 1

    The widespread availability of free email services really makes this unnecessary, but a free, verified by Uncle Sam email address would be very useful. Unfortunately, I fear that if the US Government offered email, it would just make life easier for process servers and law enforcement while doing little of real value for citizens.

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    1. Re:Useful, but no necessary by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      and the spamhauses. don't ever forget the spamhauses.

  18. How apt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    myemail.my... "MY EMAIL!!!! MINE!!! " governors!!!!!!!!! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

    captcha: viewable. OH DAMN WELL INDEED IT IS VIEWABLE.

  19. Would I trust them? by PetiePooo · · Score: 1

    I would trust the government to be an email provider. They can send their stuff anywhere they want, including an email account they setup for me. In fact if it requires a smart card for access, it's likely more secure than postal mail.

    That doesn't mean I trust them to be my only email provider...

    If, in creating their system, they outlawed all other email providers, then I'd have some serious problems. I suspect that enough others would also have problems that PGP/GnuPG would become much more popular and widespread were that to happen. Of course, that would then be outlawed too...
    *sigh*

    1. Re:Would I trust them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PGP/GnuPG would become much more popular and widespread were that to happen

      Malaysian News Report: PGP/GPG Usage skyrockets in Malaysia! A total of 3 downloads in JUST ONE MONTH!

  20. Is this forced or optional? by shish · · Score: 2

    Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?

    Not personally, but if they're only offering this as a backup for people who don't have their own address already, it seems like a great idea

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  21. "Free" by goldspider · · Score: 1

    I don't think that word means what you think it means.

    For several reasons, in fact.

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  22. CIA cookbook by SquirrelDeth · · Score: 1
    1. Re:CIA cookbook by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/20/1531228/CIA-Declassifies-Pages-From-Their-Cookbook
        CIA don't seem to think so.

      It's not practical to do physical tasks on millions or billions of physical items a day. It's practical and easy to read vast quantities of unencrypted email. That's all I'm saying.

    2. Re:CIA cookbook by SquirrelDeth · · Score: 1

      Point taken.

  23. Would you trust your governmnet? by mdielmann · · Score: 1

    Four words: United States Postal Service.

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    1. Re:Would you trust your governmnet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A service which offers country-wide, and in the case of the military, world-wide delivery service with fantastically low error rates for a nominal flat fee? Service to every residence, business, and government office in the country 6 days a week? That one? Yes, please, I'd trust them to provide email services in a heartbeat.

  24. thx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thanks very much

    http://gwaker.blogspot.com/

  25. Free internet would be more useful by denshao2 · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of free email services that anyone could get if they had internet. Getting free email with no way to access it would be useless.

    1. Re:Free internet would be more useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      email exists on other protocols than HTTP, such as IMAP, POP3, & SMTP.

    2. Re:Free internet would be more useful by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      True, but this could also be a good first step. You could provide dial-up that only accesses .gov domains and your government issued POP3. It would be borderline free assuming they already had a modem... which is less likely now a days.

  26. Oh, sure... by Legal.Troll · · Score: 0

    "Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?"

    No, but I'd trust the Malaysian government to be my mail provider!

    Seriously though, I had a law professor who served as a law clerk to the chief justice of the Maylaysian supreme court. He said that at one point, government officials made it *very* clear that they were closely monitoring his communications, in terms of both who he contacted and what was said.

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  27. OF COURSE!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GOVERMENT EMAIL MACHT FREI :D

  28. OMG what paranoia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you trust your government to provide you with drinking water? Get over yourselves, you pathetic whining digital douches.

  29. Why not just use it for them? by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 1

    I have a few Email addresses. Each has its own purpose. One for people I just meet on the Net, one for business-type communication, etc. Why not one for use with the government? I'd use it -only- for comm with the government. The only problem with that (as with ANY Email) is that there's no way to be sure your recipient has indeed received your message. Sure, read receipts, but they don't tell you who received it, just that someone did...somewhere.

    If I'm going to use Email, I want it to be properly authenticated somehow, so that I know a) it hasn't gone off into the abyss, like so many other messages I've sent to companies etc AND...and this is the most important part...b) that when I receive a reply, I know that it's my government replying. (Can you imagine the phishing that could occur?!)

    In the end, I would do it only if they required public-key encryption...but I know they won't...because that would kick start something they wouldn't like very much.

  30. Does it really matter? by xednieht · · Score: 1

    "Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?"

    Does it matter who provides it? Our government, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Stupidity, the NSA, not one provides email to the slaves. It does not seem to stop them from accessing them anyway.

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  31. Here's a simple solution by stopacop · · Score: 1

    Send all your porn from your Gmail account

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  32. Great Idea!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Offering email address to citizens is a great idea. I would appreciate this, really. In the long term times, this idea can prove to be a path to world peace.

  33. What's the Difference? by Frightened_Turtle · · Score: 1

    Not trust a government corporation not to read my mail? What country in the world has a government run corporation where the government doesn't have access to private communication? Clearly, the US Post Office has nothing to do with the U.S. Government!

    As has been mentioned above, email is inherently insecure. It's broadcast out in the open and can be read by anyone either with access to the server or simply by snooping traffic coming out of a given port. It's been known for centuries that even traditional, hardcopy mail can be intercepted and read. Look how often mail coming from soldiers in the theater of war during WWII had their mail blatantly opened and censored. Wax seals and signet rings came about as a way to try and show that a document was sealed and not intercepted and tampered with by some third party. If you want to communicate something that you would consider personally compromising, email or mail are definitely not the answer.

    As also mentioned above, if you wish to keep your words absolutely secure, PGP (or the open alternative, GPG) is easily available to encrypt your potentially damning script. If I was going to be sending any email to an individual whom a given government might have suspicions or concerns, I would prefer that my text be out in the open so that anyone could read it without any misinterpretations. Sending an encrypted message—even if it was only a request for a secret family recipe for a marinade for a steak barbecue—would only serve to raise the suspicions of a paranoid government.

    If the government in question is open and transparent in their policies towards privacy and legitimate security or crime enforcement issues, then I would have no problems using a government supplied email system. If the government had a history of or was trying to suppress or subjugate the population, then I might think twice about using such a system. Or, at least, I would be careful about what communication I passed through their system.

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    1. Re:What's the Difference? by xiando · · Score: 1

      As also mentioned above, if you wish to keep your words absolutely secure, PGP (or the open alternative, GPG) is easily available to encrypt your potentially damning script.

      GPG is not a solution to anything. I have been using it since the 90s, I encourage others to use it and I explain why encrypting e-mail is important the best way I can. It's been years and less than one percent of those I communicate with use it. The reality today is that the majority of people would vote for a law which requires everyone to have a camera in all rooms in their home and they would have no problem having such cameras in their own homes.

    2. Re:What's the Difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Malaysia is one of those counties where you're required to provide encryption password if asked by government.

  34. Would you trust your government to be your mail pr by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't really think that is the correct question. Perhaps we should be asking the question "Do we want to continue to pay for governments sending us physical mail rather than using more efficient technology?"

    There is nothing going on here that requires you to use this email address for your own personal communications.

  35. Libertarian gun nut here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd trust my mail provider to be my government, because I host my own mail.

  36. If I don't already have email... by somaTh · · Score: 1

    Why would they assume I already have access to a computer and internet service?

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  37. Ob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free as in beer or free as in speech?

  38. Service ain't free: $.16 per email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The project has come under heavy criticism in Malaysia due to the lack of transparency in the project funding.

    It was initially announced as a RM50 millions (USD 16 millions) government-backed project, then later declared as a private sector initiative that would not be financed by taxpayers. Only to be explained the following day that government agencies (therefore taxpayers) would be charged RM 0.50 per email. Considering Malaysia's adult population of 16 millions, it would cost the government RM 8 million (USD 2.6 millions) to send ONE email to every malaysian adult.

    The private company (Tricubes) that has initiated the project was about to be delisted from the local stock exchange to due financial irregularities, until the government granted it this RM50 millions program.

    Cronyism is long standing problem in Malaysia. Sadly, this is only one of the many such examples.

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  40. Sure it's not perfect, but... by ArmchairGeneral · · Score: 1

    A few months ago a friend of mine was complaining about how difficult it was to get an appointment to see her doctor in Canada. She couldn't leave a voicemail as the box was full and the message said that someone would be only available in the office for 2 or 3 hours in the day. I do realize the potential for privacy concerns especially with medical, but an email system to create/confirm appointments would be ideal. I hate voicemail personally, and much prefer an email so I can quickly review it. So if this was incorporated into a government email plan I think it would be ideal.

  41. write to us at; faith.hope.love@malaysia.gov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why would there need to be more than one of anything? one excrement powered droid powered citizen drone per citizen etc...

    disarm

  42. Subcontracted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The email service is probably subcontracted to some guy who don't know how to run an email service (and probably will end up sub-contracting it to others to do the real job, if it actually gets done).

  43. And the other big question is by Skapare · · Score: 1

    ... would you trust a big greedy corporation to be your email provider?

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  44. Microsoft Government? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    handled by hotmail!

    myemail.my. 3600 IN MX 40 1852513953.pamx1.hotmail.com.

  45. Re:Would you trust your government to be your mail by OFnow · · Score: 1

    "Do we want to continue to pay for governments sending us physical mail rather than using more efficient technology?"

    There is nothing going on here that requires you to use this email address for your own personal communications.

    Let it keep operating, but make it legal for UPS/Fedex/etc to use your physical mailbox. Lets see how that goes...

  46. Would you trust your government by JTsyo · · Score: 1

    Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?

    For government correspondence? of course.
    Just use something else for everything else like you do now. Maybe set up e-mail forwarding so you don't always have to check it.

  47. I have no problem with it by xiando · · Score: 1

    I'm fine with the government giving me a e-mail address which is only and specifically used to communicate with the government. I wouldn't use it for anything else, though.

  48. obligatory Estonia reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Estonia has had this for many years now. But it's not as impressive when you only have to deal with a maximum of 1m users.

    http://www.eesti.ee/portaal/portaal.options?a=keelen&b=postisysteem.abi%3F

  49. AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going through AT&T they already have it. Not need for them to even fill out any paperwork.

  50. Money Siphoning Scheme by rao2100 · · Score: 1

    This has cause a huge backlash from the public, for one the project was awarded to a company, Tricubes which is a GN3, meaning they have accounting issue with the Stock Exchange, without a tender and they we were already dying as their stock price was around 5cent before this announcement. They plan to charge the goverment 50 cents for every email to a citizen, imagine for 18m adults thats huge money, practically a gold mine. You guys can read more here: http://malaysiafinance.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-such-strong-reactions-to-email.html

  51. Yes! More than I trust a business corporation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a gmail account and my ISP provide me some email addresses, I also have a, now pretty much useless, forwarding adress provided by bigfoot.com since 1995. I trust google more then my ISP (despite that my ISP is situated in Sweden where protection of personal privacy is better then in USA), but I would trust my (Swedish) government even more. My government have a pretty clean record when it comes to personal privacy, there are few dark spots, but other then the IB affair, it has mostly(*) been corrupt individuals that have acted in their own interest and as Sweden have a very open and transparent government, corrupt government officials likely get caught, at least if they try their luck often.

    It would be neat to have a more permanent email address, that don't disappear or change terms of use every other decade at the whim of a company or when a company go bankrupt or become bought out.

    I would not trust my government, or any other entity, to be my only email provider.

    (*) There are only five other exceptions that I'm aware of. Thomas Bodström (former Swedish Minister for Justice), have broken the laws against ministerstyre three times and ordered police to violate Swedish privacy laws (the most horrible thing is that he did not have to stand before the Committee on Justice for any of those cases, which is usually the case when things like that happen, my guess is that the US government (that was very involved in all cases) requested a blackout to not risk the national security of USA (foreign countries and some international organisations, like EU and UN, can request exception to the normal Swedish government transparency laws and procedures on the ground that national security is threatened in another country then Sweden, these rules make it possible for the Swedish government to cooperate with mores "shady" governments, like that in USA, these rules are a necessary evil, otherwise Sweden would become totally isolated from the rest of the world)). There is also a case when two police investigators tricked an administrator to hand over a DNA sample (taken from a kid in the 70's, as an adult suspected for a crime) from an academy hospital, the DNA was later accepted as evidence in a trial (which is a legal grey zone). Eventually, years after the incident, the police investigators got reprimanded and the administrator had to attend a course about Swedish personal privacy laws, but it felt like it was just for show and was to late and to little. Finally, there is a case when a former homosexual lover blackmailed the Swedish king in the 20's and 30's, in an underhanded deal the blackmailer was handed over to Nazi Germany, where he was put in one of their infamous mental institutions, he was later handed back to Sweden and was then put in a Swedish mental institution. Homosexual relations and adultery was illegal in the 1920's, but as the royal family had legal immunity until the 1960's, the blackout was only to avoid a scandal. There was a lot of people in high places involved in this sordid affair, maybe even the Minister of justice and the Prime minister.

  52. The Real Concerns Here by crf00 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am from Malaysia. The problem for this project is more complicated actually. There are several concerns that we as citizens of Malaysia are worry about:

    1. The project is run by a public company named Tricubes. The company is under financial difficulty and is listed under GN3 in the Malaysia stock exchange market (which means near bankruptcy). Because of this announcement, the share price of Tricubes raised from RM0.055 to RM0.325 within a week - a whopping 491% increase.

    2. Tricubes claim that the RM50 million investment is a private investment. Citizens however believe that the government will eventually pay a huge amount of service fees to Tricubes.

    3. A simple analysis on the domain shows that the domain myemail.my is merely using Microsoft Windows Live Mail as the back end provider. It is hard to believe that a service that directly use the domains.live.com API can cost that much, not less to say the entire potential vendor lock-in by Microsoft to this email infrastructure.

    4. Tricubes will charge 50 cents (RM0.50) for every email sent. Do some calculation and you can tell how much it will cost the government to make an announcement by sending one email to each of the 27 million citizens in Malaysia.

    From the facts that we have, it is obvious that there is a high possibility that this is yet another corruption of the government to let people with internal connection make free money.

    While I understand that building an email system do cost money, it is absurd to spend RM50m in something that directly uses Windows Live services and provide nothing more than that. And it is even more absurd to charge that much for an email delivery that is essentially free. Even though we have the freedom to decline this project by not using this service, it is impossible for us to stop the corrupted government from sending costly emails to our inactive accounts, thus giving tax payers' money to Tricubes.

    1. Re:The Real Concerns Here by rewarp · · Score: 1
      Another additional concern is the compulsory purchase of a biometric USB device which apparently allows securer access to the email service.

      Those signing up for the controversial 1 Malaysia email service will have to buy a USB biometric device sold by Tricubes Bhd or go to any National Registration Department (NRD) office to get their account activated, the company said today. Tricubes chief executive Khairun Zainal Mokhtar said the USB device would also allow myemail.my users opt for the more secure end-to-end data encryption for an additional fee, which he described as "a fraction of the cost".

      And if this previous description of the CEO by a disgruntled executive is any indication, I would rather trust Google rather than my government to handle my email.

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  53. actually... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    I don't think this is such a terrible idea. As long as they do not prevent you from using other email addresses for personal correspondence, it seems that having a government mailbox for your dealings with the government might actually be a good thing. I'd like to see the government actually prevent these mailboxes from sending or receiving mail from outside the government network as well. This could help prevent phishing attempts and other scams.

  54. They don't need an economic incentive by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    Dude, I think this is right as far as it goes - your average government department, and employees of those departments, do like to do things by the book. But I'm not worrying about my mail being read by the Department of Housing and Urban Development. I'm worried about it being read by the NSA, CIA, or whoever. And THOSE guys don't need an economic incentive. And whatever gov't department that would end up providing the e-mail service would no doubt have written into the "book" that they cough up any citizen's email files to $3_LETTER_AGENCY at any time if said agency suspects him/her of being a terrorist (probable cause? riiiight).

    Ultimately, I agree with the GP - pretty much all the ISPs are ALREADY coughing up whatever data the government wants, whenever they ask for it. Not to mention the fact that the NSA is vacuuming up more or less any voice or email conversations they can get their hands on - which is most of them. I'm not happy about the situation, but it is what it is.

    1. Re:They don't need an economic incentive by cavreader · · Score: 1

      Right now people are advocating for privacy but at the same time advocating for openess and the free exchange of ideas. Your privacy is only as good as you make it. You can protect yourself online by not posting any personal details or purchasing anything online using a credit card. You can encrypt your e-mail and use only https and a multi-layer proxy servers when access the net. You can turn off the GPS on your mobile devices or better yet use only burnable cell phones with no contracts. If you are online posting your life story on Facebook please don't turn around and complain about the dreaded 3 letter agencies spying on you. I'm not saying you specifically do this but a lot of people do. Our privacy has always been at risk it is just easier and faster to gather the information using today's technology. Anonymity is a hard thing to maintain in today's world unless you happen to live off the grid in upper Mongolia and even then chances are your camp fire will show up on a satellite pass.

  55. Malaysia is a fascist country DO NOT TRUST THEM by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

    Malaysia is a fascist country.

    1. They destroyed a religious sects property (Sky Kingdom) because it was considered an apostate offshoot of Islam and imprisoned people involved with it for YEARS!
    2. Fat kids are being given bad grades in school now as a matter of national policy - it is for "health". One kid could eat total junk and be a couch potato and have a fast metabolism and be left alone, another could eat well, exercise, be fat, and be given bad grades, because he "chose" to be "unhealthy". Ironically the fat kids will be less likely to get "fat" diseases.
    3. Another "health" initiative: Gay kids are being rounded up and put into reeducation camps. Because just like fat, they consider being gay a choice. This and the fat initiative came out together - related "health" initiatives. (If it wasn't for the religious differences, the Republican Party could actually like Malaysia - at least as regarding the gay issue. They have a lot in common. Well, the Democrats want to regulate health behaviors - so they'd like the "fat" initiative.)
    4. Censorship and lots of it. Officially sanctioned. Email will be censored and people will go to prison for years. Count on it.

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  56. Sorta OT... but the trouble with the USPS by sean.peters · · Score: 2

    ... is not that they can't operate like a business. It's that Congress won't LET them operate like a business. They're legally prohibited from offering all kinds of services (wouldn't want them competing w/ private industry, dontcha know). They can't close the hundreds of remote rural post offices that operate at a loss. They can't eliminate Saturday service. And really, that's fine - it's a government agency, why should they have to make a profit? But holy jeebus, Congress - make up your mind. You can't prevent the USPS from doing the things they would need to do to get profitable... and simultaneously bitch because they're not profitable. Pick one.

    Even further OT, but Amtrak has the same issue. They have to compete with heavily, heavily subsidized federal highways, aren't allowed to discontinue money-losing routes... and get bitched at because they lose money. Well, no shit - of course they lose money under those conditions.

  57. Re:Would you trust your government to be your mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is nothing going on here that requires you to use this email address for your own personal communications.

    At least not yet.

  58. hahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?"

    I sure hope that was meant to be rhetorical. If not, I cry for the poster.

    Privacy aside, what govt provided service *anywhere* is done so reliably and/or with any decent amount of support?

  59. Don't most governments already do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All Estonians get a free @eesti.ee ( "Eesti" is "Estonia" in estonian) mail account by default and although most people redirect it to their active mail account, those who do not have one, can do all their stuff with this one. Then again, while I see the point here, as we have a government provided web platform that may require quite a lot of communication with the user who use it's e-services, do most countries governments have anything to write to their citizens?

  60. I can switch from one corporation to another by tepples · · Score: 1

    It's a lot easier to switch from one "big greedy corporation" to another than to switch from one government to another. Elections mean nothing when both candidates' platforms agree on a point with which a voter disagrees, such as the U.S. Republican and Democratic parties agreeing on expanding the scope of copyright.

  61. Re:Would you trust your government to be your mail by tokul · · Score: 1

    I don't really think that is the correct question. Perhaps we should be asking the question "Do we want to continue to pay for governments sending us physical mail rather than using more efficient technology?"

    If I don't want to see my government financing war in other country, can I deduct that from my taxes?

  62. email delivery confirmation and authentication by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    I think there are some useful things they could do for email that are similar to the services they provide for snail mail, and this could make email more useful for official tasks.

    For example, the postal service provides proof of delivery. Needless to say, that's very useful if you need to prove that you sent someone an official document. I don't know if there's an equivalent for email. Since the postal service is a trusted 3rd party, they could run mail servers and verify that the message made it to the server of the recipient. Maybe they'd reply to the sender with a signed message listing the sender, recipient, and hash of the message.

    Another thing they could do is provide an authentication service. You go to the post office, shown them your ID, and then they can somehow provide proof that you are who you say you are (maybe they sign your public key). If they could do something like this and make it simple enough, maybe encryption usage would finally expand, that would negate any privacy problems with the government handling your email (although I feel these problems are overblown; they already handle your mail and that's not a problem, and it's not like a corporation would be better.)

    I'm sure there are other services they could provide, but those are the two that popped in to my head first.

  63. My only mail provider? by Above · · Score: 1

    I would not trust the government to be my only mail provider.

    I do think it might be nice to have a walled garden government account. Every citizen gets an account, only government agencies can use it for official business. No spam. Secured. The government today won't do business for most things over e-mail because it goes over the big bad internet, and this could change it, and make a lot of things faster and more efficient. Since it's correspondence with the government in the first place I don't care if they can snoop on it.

  64. One point missed so far ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In all of this, so far no one has mentioned the extra vulnerabilities that email from "the government" can cause.

    Or what trouble one could get in by not reading "every" government email, or not blindly using every "click here" contained inside.

    It seems like a great way for distributing malware to "everyone" or specific targets. The inclusion of attachments, executables, or embedded html & JS would all be a nice vector to use to drop any malware "they" wanted on to their users "everybody.

    Since we, wisely, don't really trust the validity of much email anyway, why would we want "official" items to show up thru this easily spoofed system we call email. How about the day when you are sent an "official" notification to appear for jury duty with a "click here" to complete your juror information form. Do you trust it and click to give away your SSN etc? Or do you ignore it and risk jail/fines for not "properly" reporting for jury duty. And the examples can get even more serious easily.

    Government paperwork is bad enough already, do we really an electronic way to let gov't staff generate more wasteful tomes? Though I do wish we could save more trees that die for the sake of gov't paperwork.

  65. They just ... by GodInHell · · Score: 1
    ... walk up to your computer and read them?

    I know we're all hot and bothered by the thought of automated conspiracy theories about government spying... but warrants are stupid easy to get and they can force you to unlock your e-mail for review or put you in jail for refusing. That's in the US where there's a presumption of innocence (Hi UK) and procedural integrity (looking at you Italy, France and Spain).

  66. ...cough... USPO is profitable. by GodInHell · · Score: 1

    The only funds they extract from the U.S. government goes to pay for franking expenses (your congressmen sending you letters) and other government uses. The business pays for itself otherwise.

  67. Hmmm by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    It seems that I should have directed my ire against those bitching that postage keeps going up. Congress is still at fault, though - they do simultaneously threaten the USPS not to let postage go up, and prevent them from closing down unprofitable services. But thanks for the correction - that's an important point.

  68. Pandering to the Libertarian Crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?

    Likewise, would you trust your government to be your post office? Would you trust your government to be your fire-protection service? Would you trust your government to inspect the safety of your food and medicine?

    Okay, you probably do have a few caveats to each of those rhetorical questions, fair enough, but the question the summary raised is in the same category as the rest of these.

    Why not ask do you trust Google as your e-mail provider? MSN Live/Hotmail? Yahoo? AOL? AT&T?

    If you'd distrust a government solution, why would you trust their solution so much more? Are humans not behind the operations of private and public institutions both? Governments, like all other human endeavors, are imperfect, but you are free to try to improve your government where you see room for improvement. As for a private business, you're free to do business elsewhere or start your own.

  69. Seriously? by bmo · · Score: 1

    >Would you trust your government to be your mail provider?

    Sure. Why not? Encrypt it. Send it. No worries.

    Wait, you're not encrypting your sensitive mail in the first place? When it can be picked up along the way by any Joe Schmoe MTA hop or Echelon type setup? Then you're an idiot. If you do this with a government that might kill you (Malaysia is not one of them) then you deserve to be a Darwin Award winner.

    Unencrypted email is the same thing as a post card, and you are a fool if you think any differently.

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  70. Already done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Estonia, the government is for quite many years providing an official e-mail address to citizens. The catch is that the e-mail is just forwarder; you can sign on with your id card and configure it to forward to your real account. The e-mail is in format firstname.lastname@eesti.ee (in case of duplicates, a number is added) and personal-id-code@eesti.ee (eesti = estonia in estonian)... This makes it easy for all official e-government services to send you an e-mail to a single address and you can forward it wherever you want to receive your official e-mail. No need for updating your e-mail in million separate systems when it happens to change.

  71. Would you trust your government to be your mail... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Well not in Malaysia thats for sure. The population is locked down tight with ID cards. This is a pretty obvious ploy to encourage people to only use email accounts which are tied to their IC number.

  72. It is not free by mrmaar · · Score: 1

    Not only that the email are not free, but you have to buy a device to activate it. I for one, will not use it. At first, they announce it as "Government Projects" and the government did a u-turn after a massive research regarding the project that cost the taxpayer for a whopping 50 million that has been awarded to cronies.

  73. That's the difference .... by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Yeah, nobody freaks out about the government being in charge of postal mail, and that's actively scanned by xray. And, there are always alternatives if you don't like it.

    I don't really mind that Aust Post scans the mail I send through it, they have strict privacy policies they must adhere to and as the GGP pointed out, no incentive to actively snoop on me. Besides, X-Rays aren't really capable of telling what I wrote and all incoming mail is scanned by customs regardless of who is carrying it when it enters the country.

    If I did have a problem with Aust Post I could easily use the more expensive options like couriers.

    So if the Aussie government were to offer me a free ozemail.au account, I wouldn't be suspicious as this is exactly what a government is meant to do, provide infrastructure. Now whether I'd use its another question, such a service would have to provide significant advantages over Gmail considering both services would be free.

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  74. Why you trust google over government? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are same arn't they

  75. If it's for business pertinent to the government by Ramin_HAL9001 · · Score: 0

    If I was only using the e-mail service to send/receive government-related documents and queries, and I didn't ever use it for anything else, then sure I could trust the government as my e-mail provider.

  76. Big Savings for Malaysian Government by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    Now they can reduce the employees in the postal service, automate the scanning of emails for terrorist or porn references, etc. Savings are going to be substantial. The postal service will soon be relagated to package sending, and not even for sending cheques in the mail.

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  77. This is not about providing 'free' emails... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is some background to this. The company in question is connected politically to the govt. Govt announces free email scheme. private initiative bla bla bla...crony company who is currently in dire financial straits (GN3 status by our SEC, about to be delisted) wins the bid to provide free email. And what does this 'free' email cost us taxpayers? We have 20M citizes of age, and this company is charging the tax payers USD0.16...that's USD3.2M for a single mail blast. Everytime the govt sends out a single email (IRS, DOT etc etc) this crony company gets richer at USD3.2m a pop. How's that for a business model...this should give the russian spam gangs some ideas.

  78. Corporations and Government by Travoltus · · Score: 1

    They both have different reasons for spying on you.

    Corporations do it for profit.
    Governments do it for control-er, "National Security".

    They all spy on you.

    I like to paraphrase an old song... "My mind is not for rent / for corporations or Government".

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  79. no by KingBenny · · Score: 0

    i wouldnt

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