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Does Wiretapping Require Cell Company Cooperation?

decora writes "Recently the dictator of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, accidentally admitted to wiretapping journalist Irina Khalip. Khalip is the wife of Andrei Sannikov, one of the many opposition presidential candidates who was imprisoned after the election in 2010. I am wondering how Lukashenko did this? Can a government tap a modern cellphone system without the company knowing? Or would it require cooperation, like when AT&T and others helped the NSA perform warrantless wiretapping on Americans?"

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  1. It's called spying by elucido · · Score: 1

    It's what they always do to neutralize opposition in politics. They'll find dirt and they'll use it.

    1. Re:It's called spying by Caerdwyn · · Score: 1

      It's what they always do to neutralize opposition in politics. They'll FORGE dirt and they'll use it.

      FTFY.

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  2. Kinda by atari2600a · · Score: 2

    If the government took the time to build a mainframe to crack the encryption keys, theoretically they could do it with little more than a partyvan equipped with a few dozen microwave radios or cell phones.

    1. Re:Kinda by atari2600a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Keep in mind I'm talking out of my ass here.

    2. Re:Kinda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hmm... Belarus... If they're still on old analog cell phones, no. If it's earlier GSM, I think most/all of the secret keys have been figured out w/o insider information. With newer stuff, they might have "friends" (Russia, China) who were able to reverse engineer the keys out of the switch hardware and gave them that info w/o help from the switch manufacturer (or they just nicked them). I'm going to hazard a guess that someone probably have equipment that lets them listen to cell phone conversations over the air or they just patch into the calls somewhere between the tower and central offices...

      Or, they just paid for the necessary info when they bought the hardware, or it was a necessary bribe to be paid by Vodaphone or whomever to do business there.

    3. Re:Kinda by jamesh · · Score: 1

      If the government took the time to build a mainframe to crack the encryption keys, theoretically they could do it with little more than a partyvan equipped with a few dozen microwave radios or cell phones.

      Seems easier to just pay a cleaner some money to let you in after hours and plant a few bugs around the places where phone conversations are likely to be held.

    4. Re:Kinda by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually it turns out the easiest way is simply to tell the corporation you want the information.

      That's all it took here in the US and we were ostensibly a dictator-free country with laws against it. So in a country with a dictator, it's a no-brainer.

      Look at Cisco/China etc.,

      Expecting ethical behavior from a corporation is like a duck expecting a piggyback ride across a lake from an alligator.

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    5. Re:Kinda by Fluffeh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Expecting ethical behavior from a corporation is like a duck expecting a piggyback ride across a lake from an alligator.

      Which is not to say that it will never happen it is just unlikely....?

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    6. Re:Kinda by sortius_nod · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why is this even a question for slashdot. A quick google will inform you that Belrus has a state owned telco.

      Nuff said. They own the telco, they'd have access to all traffic across it.

    7. Re:Kinda by tsotha · · Score: 1

      A big mainframe... like this one?

    8. Re:Kinda by metalmaster · · Score: 1

      Thats not even a pain anymore. Location-based services are all the rage these days.

    9. Re:Kinda by atari2600a · · Score: 1

      quiet you. INGSOC

    10. Re:Kinda by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there an example inexpensive method demoed at defcon or somesuch recently?

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    11. Re:Kinda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Good grief, that's not a duck! What a totally irrelevant pic.

    12. Re:Kinda by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

      Nuff said. They own the telco, they'd have access to all traffic across it.

      Between your post and elucido's first post, this question is now answered. The conversation is over. You have got the how and the why.

      The only question remaining is how the phrase "Alexander Lukashenko openly stated that the phones of Irina Khalip...were being monitored by the special services" can become "Alexander Lukashenko, accidentally admitted to wiretapping journalist Irina Khalip" in the summary.

      "Openly stated" is nowhere near the same as "accidentally admitted".

    13. Re:Kinda by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      The implied threat is of course: 'do illegal stuff for us, or the rest of your business before the government vis-a-vis accuisitions and regulation will not go well for you'.

    14. Re:Kinda by danlip · · Score: 2

      egrets, I've had a few, but then again, too few to mention ...

    15. Re:Kinda by decora · · Score: 1

      he was accusing her of having 'faked' screaming and crying that they were being dragged out of a car forcibly.

      in order to disprove her version of events, he said 'we were bugging her phone, she wasnt dragged out of anywhere'

      in the context of lukashenko's typical bizarre statements to the press, one has to wonder if he actually meant to do that. sort of like the time he described hitler as an admirable figure. considering belarus lost some massive percentage of its population in WWII to hitler, this was rather controversial. Lukashenko later tried to backtrack on it and act like it had been misinterpreted, but then he wound up half-way repeating his earlier statement. He trips all over his own tongue.

      and as for the question. . . just because it is a 'state owned' telecom doesnt mean that it doesnt have contracts with foreign companies to do a lot of the work for it. that is the heart of the question... did foreign telecom companies help belarus dictatorship spy on journalists? are they complicit in the violations going on there?

      since it is quite possible lukashenko did it without any outside help, the answer is still up in the air. perhaps it is unknowable.

      many of the slashdot posters have posted interesting threads about this. see for example the person who had just been working on putting backdoors in various routers and things, who posted anonymously about it.

       

    16. Re:Kinda by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

      Cisco built for China the system to monitor all internet users in the country. And of course imprison them when needed after they say something true.

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    17. Re:Kinda by NateTech · · Score: 1

      What encryption keys? Anyone with a Sercice Monitor can listen in.

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  3. Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by Scareduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And isn't it the case now that stuff is embedded in all the major telecom hardware makers?

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    1. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      even before calea, there was something similar.

      they need to teach this in civics classes at school. people need to be told this, explicitly. at least then they can't say "I didn't know."

      yes, hardware vendors cannot sell unless there are backdoors.

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    2. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes. I used to work for a company that made CALEA-compliance stuff. Can't talk about that, but most of the major infrastructure companies had CALEA-compliance stuff built in. It is my understanding, from what I learned while I was there (only about a year before moving on to slightly less creepy stuff), that those functionality has to be available to law enforcement remotely, without requiring active assistance from the telco in some cases. I believe that the majority of cases involve telco cooperation, but only a limited subset of employees are aware when a tap is in place.

      I believe Verizon has a couple of hundred people on staff who's full-time job is to assist in compliance with lawful intercept requests and that the information on the existence of an intercept is not shared with other people in the telco.

      However, the commentary in the summary shows a bit of naiveness on the part of the submitter. Lukashenko is basically the last of the hard-line Eastern Bloc-style dictators. Getting a wiretap on an opposition figure isn't hard when you run a police state.

    3. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      in the last few years, the router makers have all added DPI. and API's for the DPI for chassis owners (cough, governments) to be able to directly do whatever the hell they want. they no longer have to ask cisco (etc) to do dirty things. they can now set the evil bit directly via user api's. (not kidding; wish I was).

    4. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      However, the commentary in the summary shows a bit of naiveness on the part of the submitter. Lukashenko is basically the last of the hard-line Eastern Bloc-style dictators. Getting a wiretap on an opposition figure isn't hard when you run a police state.

      Since any wireless providers can only do business by the grace of said dictator, I'm sure that they're owned by people that he favors.

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    5. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by Woldscum · · Score: 1

      CALEA equipment allows VoIP call surveillance at the telco switch level (DMS 250 & 500). When a Judge issued a warrant to wire tap a phone number. It would usually happen at the telco switch level. VoIP stopped that because IP traffic did not involve the voice network. CALEA upgraded the physical switches them selves to IP and added 1 cabinet of equipment (COLO owned by the FBI). The FBI through an office in Quantico, VA can access the network switches directly with out involving AT&T or Verizon.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Multiplex_System

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act

    6. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by joocemann · · Score: 2

      You could *always* intercept the signals from the air. Since when did anyone think sending their calls through the air would only go to the desired place?

    7. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

      I can't speak to the telecom side, but when I worked for network operations we processed a wiretap request for data. They came with a warrant and told us what they needed. They had a given computer they wanted to monitor. So data from that port was mirrored off to a computer they provided that we didn't have access to. They connected to that with a T1. When they were done, they took their box and were off. Some time later, after the court proceedings, everything was unsealed and no longer secret.

      This was something that only a limited number of people knew about. While it was going on the judge's order was basically a gag order "You can't talk about the fact this is here or happening," kind of thing. Pretty typical for what you see with court cases.

      Wasn't really anything special. I'd imagine most managed switches are CALEA compliant by virtue of being able to mirror ports. That lets you monitor traffic, without the party knowing it is happening.

      Now who knows, maybe major providers have special network connections back the FBI and so on directly, but I kinda doubt it. They were big on having their own hardware doing the capturing and they didn't want to reach it via the Internet, hence it had its own T1 (originally dialup but the voice switch guys told them we could get them a T1 no problem).

      Wouldn't surprise me if they had equipment kept in the buildings though. Their own locked rack and all that. Provided it was properly access controlled it should keep the chain of evidence evidence intact and they could just present the warrant to the telco/ISP and get a tap going quickly.

    8. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And isn't it the case now that stuff is embedded in all the major telecom hardware makers?

      Nope.

      CALEA works like this. The Telco has a dedicated circuit between their call switch and the Law Enforcement's CALEA server which they maintain on their own. If they get a warrant for a tap, they contact the telco who begins sending a duplicate traffic flow to the CALEA equipment for any calls to/from that number. Once the warrant period expires, the mirroring stops.

      There's nothing embedded in any hardware, there's no backdoors, and the Government does not ever have any direct access into the Telco's systems. They get what is sent to them and nothing more.

      Disclaimer: Yes, I work in a MSO which provides Telco services, and we do occasionally have to support CALEA requests.

      As for the question in the article itself: It's really not very likely that a government would be able tap a phone system without somebody at the company noticing. But you don't have to tap a cell phone to eavesdrop on it as long as you're within range of the phone's signal you can just sniff it out of the air. If you wanted to tap it without following the phone around, then No you can't tap it without the cell company's knowledge as it requires traffic mirroring and routing to be setup, or at the very least some type of traffic sniffer which again would require the telco's assistance.

    9. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

      DPI (deep packet inspection) is for filtering (at worst : censorship), not for wiretapping. It wouldn't even be that useful for it. It can be used to say things like "if you see a TCP connection pass, on any port, and you see the string "stoning women is evil" pass, kill the tcp connection". If you want to do this yourself, check this out [lowth.com]. If you're on a company network and you want to have a network performing okay while bittorrent clients are present on it, you'll need DPI.

      And of course router makers have added DPI, half their customers want it, and all modern firewalls do. It's the only way you can still do things like blocking kazaa or bittorrent or ssh while leaving http and https open. It is, of course, not remotely accessible without the passwords to the device, so if the government wants to use it, they'll have to pass the NOC.

      Yes I imagine you don't like what China, North Korea and muslim countries are using this for, but it's nothing like what you're describing.

    10. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by deAtog · · Score: 1

      If you're on a company network and you want to have a network performing okay while bittorrent clients are present on it, you'll need DPI.

      That's complete nonsense. Bittorrent and other peer to peer networks are definitely bandwidth intensive, but you don't need DPI to maintain performance on a network. A properly configured QoS should be more than enough to balance things out. Simply prioritizing the outbound data by source address alone would ensure that anyone trying to perform bandwidth intensive tasks gets their fair share. IP protocols were designed to deal with bandwidth restrictions but also to use as much as possible. It's therefore possible that a few HTTP downloads could congest an entire network in the same way a bittorrent client does. This is becoming even more common with modern browsers which use multiple connections to try and retrieve data faster from remote servers.

      The only thing DPI provides is the ability to restrict access to specific protocols based solely on packet content. If encryption is used, DPI is useless as it cannot differentiate between the traffic. The end result is a never ending war between software developers and network administrators. The final outcome has yet to be decided.

    11. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      WHAT Civics class?

      You must be as old as I, and I went to pre-K with Diogenes.

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    12. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      I worked for AT&T at a small manufacturing plant in Whitsett, NC for several years in the early to mid 90's. We were a union shop in a right-to-work state, so the management was struggling to find projects that had enough margin to keep the plant open. It was probably about '93 when we picked up a project that was an "encryptor".

      It was about the size of a pack of playing cards, with two phone plugs in the back. You'd plug your handset into one side and connect the other to the phone. You'd call the other party, then press a button. The device would negotiate with the other party's device, and all a third party would here is static.

      The project was going like gangbusters, and then all of a sudden it just stopped dead in its tracks. The government came in, shut the project down, and bought all the inventory. I never saw one again.

      If the government doesn't have a way in, you won't find the product on the open market.

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    13. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

      Once your users attempt to get their bittorrent clients into the more preferential QoS classes (and they will generally easily succeed at this simply by changing a few parameters), you need DPI to be able to recognize the traffic as a source for QoS classifications.

      Kazaa in particular was a bitch since it can easily run over port 80 and even send a few HTTP headers for kicks.

      e.g. read this thread : http://www.overclockers.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-232199.html

      So please tell me how I block port-scanning filesharing clients (that don't use fixed ports or fixed ips) without DPI ? I'm pretty sure it's impossible, but hey, maybe I'm wrong.

    14. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by joocemann · · Score: 1

      I could track you all day with a small team.

    15. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      If the government doesn't have a way in, you won't find the product on the open market.

      Which is why you use a software solution like PGP (well, GPG mostly nowadays) or OpenSSL, which doesn't have backdoors. The cat got out of the bag in the early 90s, but they're still trying to keep it out of the hands of average people.

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    16. Re:Wasn't this the whole point of CALEA? by Zigurd · · Score: 1

      That is correct. And most specifications for LI ("lawful intercept") specify that it should be undetectable, or, at least, inconspicuous to the people operating the network. That is, it has to operate outside network management and network statistics gathering. LI implementations can do that successfully because they are usually specified to capture a small fraction of network data - 1% in some cases. LI is distinct from the kinds of technologies used as a data dragnet by spy agencies, and it also distinct from deep packet inspection.

      As the post above points out, if you have access to law enforcement tools for monitoring telephone networks, and no effective checks on that access, the underlying technology enables one to do the kind of snooping alleged here without leaving a trace in the network's operations.

  4. What kind of stupid question is this? by BitHive · · Score: 2

    Just think about it for a minute. The only way a government or dictator could tap someone's phone without the phone company knowing would involve using secret agents (in the broadest sense) to plant bugs or intercept signals.

    If there were ways to tap phones without doing this, using only the phone system, they would be common knowledge.

    The easiest method is to use your influence (legitimate or otherwise) to get the phone company to cooperate, which is unsurprisingly the most common.

    What was the point of this question?

    1. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by LordHatrus · · Score: 1

      Just think about it for a minute. The only way a government or dictator could tap someone's phone without the phone company knowing would involve using secret agents (in the broadest sense) to plant bugs or intercept signals.

      Not really; listening in on the radio signals sent between the phone and the tower would not be difficult, and the encryption for it is a joke.

    2. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by khallow · · Score: 1

      If there were ways to tap phones without doing this, using only the phone system, they would be common knowledge.

      There's the supersecret method of bribe/extort an employee to get access.

    3. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      There are other ways, most of them are common knowledge to your average hacker that read Phrack back in the day. Since most cell phone systems rely on very old, insecure, fixed key cryptography it is fairly trivial to hack a cell phone transmission, impersonate a cell tower or do any number of things with a cell phone system without requiring the cell phone company.

      What is required of the phone company is widespread, warrantless wiretapping the central hubs where all communications flow. This is likewise a trivial task but requires some minimal cooperation (even though it may not be acknowledged or detectable by everyone involved on either side).

      It's just easier and more convenient to wiretap however you're communicating that way. It's not impossible to do it the "Hollywood Style" (get close to the subject and put a probe in or around the cable) or "The Old School Way" (which involves those pesky judges).

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    4. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      You needn't even be so negative about it. Unless you are really fucking it up, unbelievably hard, there should be a supply of authoritarian 'patriots' who are quite happy to serve the Leader of the Nation...

      Ruling a population purely by fear is pretty difficult. Conveniently, though, some people have shockingly low standards. And revel in them.

    5. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by gmccloskey · · Score: 1

      I really hope you're trying to be sarcastic or ironic - otherwise there isn't a clue stick big enough. The 'only way' isn't. There are several. All methods of interception require money, some require legislation and the rest require subterfuge and technical skill. In this case I imagine it's very simple. The state has a law saying it's legal for certain agencies to intercept calls in order to protect national security. The state's telecoms provider(s) purchase interception equipment from telecoms hardware providers. It gets plugged in and switched on. The state uses it. No conspiracy, no mad l33t skillz, no drama. Except possibly for the subjects/victims of the interception. For examples of legal intercept equipment, see http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CEkQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cisco.com%2Fweb%2Fabout%2Fsecurity%2Fintelligence%2FLI-3GPP.html&ei=CWy3Td-NNZS1hAe6_8H3Dg&usg=AFQjCNGEKGTT3PTOMkB172TvxVlkqgMKZg or http://www.scribd.com/doc/49742557/50/Legal-Interception-Gateway-LIG There is of course the relatively recent case of illegal intercept, in Greece. There it came to light that politicians and other high profile figures had their mobils calls tapped. On investigation, one of the country's mobile providers found that someone had installed, configured and turned on the 'legal intercept' software/hardware to do the tapping. Here's the rub - it wasn't done by the government company or home intelligence service. So who did it and why?

    6. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      And they can. It's trivial. And it's common knowledge covered here before at http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1931256/GSM-Decryption-Published so no backdoors, bribery, coerced vendors or anything else is needed. In fact, why not do it yourself? It would be like getting a police scanner that had the range of the old analog simplex radiotelephones. We used to listen to them and smirk because they thought their conversations were private.

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    7. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Or to make the answer a little less obtuse:

      The question, in essence, was: Can the government tap my phone?
      The answer is: Yes.

      Next question?

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    8. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by c0lo · · Score: 1

      If there were ways to tap phones without doing this, using only the phone system, they would be common knowledge.

      There's the supersecret method of bribe/extort an employee to get access.

      Hah! Indeed

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    9. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Depends how good your propaganda specialists are. A really good dictator can convince the population that he is all that protects them from an even worse outside world. North Korea does something like that. It's difficult though, as it requires a complete communications blackout - no internet, no international phone calls, no television, no radio.

    10. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by matunos · · Score: 1

      But could you do that without the companies finding out?!

    11. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by Exitar · · Score: 1

      Or, like in Italy, you can own/control the television and several newspaper.

    12. Re:What kind of stupid question is this? by TarPitt · · Score: 1

      If there were ways to tap phones without doing this, using only the phone system, they would be common knowledge.

      Like this? http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367247,00.asp

      I'd say something in PC Magazine is common knowledge

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  5. Dictator by bahurd · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think the key word here is "dictator", as in you WILL do this wiretap....

  6. Yes by b4upoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Although it is a bit more difficult with current technology cell phones can be intercepted. The portable phones, even claiming to be frequency shifting can also be intercepted. And nothing is a worse bug than a baby monitor as those things have quite a signal output and are almost never secured. They can broadcast whispers from many rooms in the home as the sensitivity is great on their microphones. I think any serious radio hobbyist could talk if they were not frightened to admit eavesdropping. From what I know people should be encouraged to tap into communication streams. What you learn might scare you to death.
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    1. Re: Yes by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      GSM is not secure. Don't reveal important information over a cell phone, any more than you would a landline (which has no encryption whatsoever).

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  7. Not too concerned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    My opinion is if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. If it helps put criminals and terrorists away....have at it!!!

    Cinthia :)
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    1. Re:Not too concerned by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      My opinion is if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. If it helps put criminals and terrorists away....have at it!!!

      Cinthia :)
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      Of course, you posted (theoretically) anonymously, then signed the message and add a link to your webpage at the bottom...

      I'm guessing you don't really spend a whole lot of time thinking about personal security.

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    2. Re:Not too concerned by Heretic2 · · Score: 1

      And if some monied interests don't like something legit you're doing, then what? You can't trust the gov't to not abuse this information and capability for immoral and illegal ends.

      It helps control the population is what it does because then you can just pick off the dissidents one-by-one at your leisure.

    3. Re:Not too concerned by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      That's just it. You have something to worry about.

      There are enough laws to make everyone a criminal. Innocent until proven guilty? Yeah, right, you'll be innocent while you sit in jail for a couple years waiting trial as the lawyers are not-so-slowly sucking away anything resembling wealth you've ever owned.

      Laws are not longer created to protect innocents. They are created for control.

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  8. Yes, quite easily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if you have the money and contacts. Covered on slashdot as far back as 2003 at least ...

    Basically GSM can be made to switch to A5/0 i.e. disable encryption by use of a commercially available "IMSI catcher" device. Originally these sent a spoofed degraded signal to the base station to make it think A5/0 was needed (it uses less bandwidth), these days it seems they just act as base stations. Cellphones automatically lock onto the strongest base station, and GSM security authenticates the handset only, so such rogue base stations are not technically difficult to make.

    The "degraded signal" method implies that A5/0 also kicks in naturally in areas of bad reception and anyone with appropriate scanner hardware could monitor calls in that area. You'd still have to deal with the frequency hopping though.

  9. Answer: No by SEWilco · · Score: 2

    A government can bribe or persuade an employee to perform the tap, or place an undercover worker in the telephone company in a position which can perform taps. So taps could be done without the telephone organization knowing about them.

    1. Re:Answer: No by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      They have a name for that employee. It's "CEO".

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  10. Yes, and it only costs $40 by ketso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    GSM has horrible security and carriers aren't exactly doing their best to make their networks secure either. A while ago you needed relatively expensive equipment (around $1000-2000) to be able to sniff on the network, but it's now been done with a few very cheap phones. There's a very informative presentation (with video) here. For this to work, you need to be close to the person you want to eavesdrop on however.

    1. Re:Yes, and it only costs $40 by Heretic2 · · Score: 2

      I'd call that "relatively cheap equipment" personally.

  11. why end this summary with a question mark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  12. GSM, SRSLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    GSM is not the most secure standard out there. Check the video from this presentation for a nice overview of exactly how fucked up GSM security is.
    http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3654.en.html

  13. Not required, just makes it easier. by HFShadow · · Score: 1

    Long story short: It makes it easier, but it's not required. If they've got it, they can just copy the call at the switch level. If they don't, they can: Install software on the persons phone, sniff + break the radio waves, bribe a telco employee, plant software on the towers (see http://www.dmst.aueb.gr/dds/pubs/jrnl/2007-Spectrum-AA/html/PS07.pdf - really interesting read), or i'm sure they've got more methods.

    Cell phone's aren't secure.

    1. Re:Not required, just makes it easier. by Diomidis+Spinellis · · Score: 1

      The article cited refers to software planted on the phone exchange, not the towers. The rogue wiretapping software was essentially a rootkit, complete with a backdoor for future access and detection countermeasures.

  14. Tapping land lines? by Darth+Muffin · · Score: 1

    The simplest and most likely explanation is that the dictator originally told the cell company "if you want to do business in this country, I need the ability to wiretap". Another explanation is that depending on who you call, a cell call likely routes over land lines at some point (especially in a third world country). Anyone with physical access to the lines has the theoretical capability to tap.

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    1. Re:Tapping land lines? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      "Wiretap" is a phrase that limp-wristed 'civil-liberties' fetishists use to make the nation vulnerable to corruption and subversion. The polite term among those who are simply upholding law, order, and legitimate authority in a dangerous world is "lawful intercept capability"...

    2. Re:Tapping land lines? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have a gluttonous lust for ghastly, utterly banal, PR-drivelspeak concerning wiretapping, anybody on Cisco's "Lawful Intercept Mediation Device Suppliers" list is excellent reading.

    3. Re:Tapping land lines? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      except when corruption and subversion is being done BY the ones who are supposed to watch out for us.

      there is no one watching the watchers and so its fair to assume the power is abused. with as much certainty as human behavior would have us assume.

      I worry more about those who rule us than those they say are 'out to get us'.

      yes, the tables have turned. we don't care about 'terrorists'. we DO care about the ones in washington who chip away at our civil liberties, though. that's a real and certain threat. the rest is boogeyman shit. worry more about lightening strikes than 'terrorist attacks' by foreign nationals.

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    4. Re:Tapping land lines? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Shit, what was that term for the "effect" where you can't tell if someone is parodying something, or is the genuine article?

    5. Re:Tapping land lines? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      The closest thing that I can think of is "Poe's Law. And yes, I am parodying something, rather than being an actual fascist.

    6. Re:Tapping land lines? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      That's the one.

      And well played, sir. :)

    7. Re:Tapping land lines? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      And you don't have to be a pot-smoking liberal to be worried about the ones in Washington. I'm as libertarian/conservative as they come, and it is painfully clear where the dangers of oppression are coming from.

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  15. No by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    It's very easy to tap a phone. Landlines are extremely simple to tap. You could do it with a little research on the web. Tapping a cellphone is slightly more complicated but still easy. In more modern countries it's getting a little more difficult as we all move towards soft-switches but in Belarus they still have PULSE dialing on their landlines. This means their switches are definitely hardware, and definitely at least 30-40 years old. Who owned the phone company 30-40 years ago? The USSR. I guarantee all their cellphone traffic travels through the same switch(s) installed by the USSR back in the day and all the equipment the KGB had installed at the time is likely still there. You make a call, it hits the cell tower, the cell tower has trunks that lead back to the switch and now they have you. It's a trivial matter to request that all incoming calls from a particular number get recorded.

    1. Re:No by Alex+Belits · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but in Belarus they still have PULSE dialing on their landlines

      So does US. Tone dialing is convenient, but for the sake of compatibility, pulse is supported on all landlines. Plug a Model 500 phone into any analog phone outlet in US, and it will work.

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    2. Re:No by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Technically that should be "most landlines" in the United States. Supporting pulse dialing is optional for the phone company, but they support it in most areas because it is no extra work for them. However, there are a fair amount of PBX systems out there with pulse dialing disabled. Hotline circuits (aka automatic ringdown circuit) obviously do not support pulse dialing, since they don't support dialing at all. There are a few other cases too.

      Nevertheless, on the vast majority of U.S. landlines pulse dialing still works.

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    3. Re:No by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      PBXes are not "landlines" -- they use digital interfaces everywhere, and formally don't support tone dialing, either.

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    4. Re:No by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      My PBX has POTS pairs as it's CO interface, and supports POTS sets with DTMF. I haven't checked if it supports pulse dialing or not, though.

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  16. Does it matter? by drolli · · Score: 1

    I am sure all telecommunication companies in a state well known to be the opposite of a democracy will very willingly cooperateon all levels.

  17. Anti-terrorism Laws legal tapping. by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ever since the world ended up going hell bent on terrorism laws (New World Order), all wire-tapping is legal with or without a warrant and you do not require any special permissions anymore if you work in law enforcement and a telecoms company need not know either.

    It is better known as black boxing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box these systems have been in place since 1998 legally. The FBI changed it's code name from Carnivore to Magic Lantern after a bunch of hackers exposed the source code "cult of the dead cow" If I remember correctly.

    Now you also have the likes of GCHQ and deep packet inspection http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/05/gchq_mti_statement and they have been doing this since 1996.

    The simple fact is you can be recorded for any half plausible excuse. Getting your location through a cell network takes about 5 seconds...... sadly each persons privacy is eroded and you do not have any choice.

    Don't use Credit Cards, Cell Phones, Loyality Cards or the internet. Get out more and a pen and paper works better than spoken words!

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    1. Re:Anti-terrorism Laws legal tapping. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ..Don't use (..) the internet..

      Hypocrite

    2. Re:Anti-terrorism Laws legal tapping. by Shotgun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ever since the world ended up going hell bent on terrorism laws (New World Order), all wire-tapping is legal with or without a warrant and you do not require any special permissions anymore if you work in law enforcement and a telecoms company need not know either.

      The erosion of liberties guaranteed to you in the US Constitution as a result of the War on Terrorism simply pales in comparison to what you've surrendered due to the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty.

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    3. Re:Anti-terrorism Laws legal tapping. by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

      Ever since the world ended up going hell bent on terrorism laws (New World Order), all wire-tapping is legal with or without a warrant and you do not require any special permissions anymore if you work in law enforcement and a telecoms company need not know either.

      The erosion of liberties guaranteed to you in the US Constitution as a result of the War on Terrorism simply pales in comparison to what you've surrendered due to the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty.

      *nod* good reply

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    4. Re:Anti-terrorism Laws legal tapping. by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

      In WWII, every single letter sent internationally was routed through stations where the letters were steamed open and read for 'subversive' information.
      The simple fact is that if the government wants to spy on you, they will. They have for a couple hundred years, why should they stop now?

      It is because governments are so paranoid. Just remember everyone is out to get you! I read a SECRET INTERNAL report recently that states, all the info-gathering cannot be fully processed and secret services world-wide are just overloaded with information which will take 30 years to fully analyse based on current info-gathering standards.

      The report is highly critical of International Intelligence Services, damning most data into insignificance and stupidity. You all have the right to be cynical and or pessimistic, but the fact still remains, if you come into the governments limelight... no justice will be honest and fair.

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  18. "Government"? Which country? by gavron · · Score: 1

    Governments everywhere are in different countries. They have different laws.

    Is it tougher to tap a cellular line than a "land line"? No.

    Is it tougher to tap a "land line" than a VoIP line? No.

    If the entity wishing to tap your line either has the technical means or gets a court order to make someone else do it, they WILL EASILY be able to do so.

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  19. But is it useful? by icebraining · · Score: 1

    Is it actually useful? I mean, if you're the wife of a leader of an opposition party to a dictator, you must assume you are being tapped. I hope they have the common sense to avoid talking about anything remotely political on their phones.

  20. surely smartphones with apps are the end of this? by Surt · · Score: 1

    So it seems (relatively) trivial to me to write an app that handshakes with your friend when you meet in person, exchanging keys of sufficient bit length for high-grade encryption. Then when you want to talk privately, the app encrypts the audio. This would seem to be the (pretty much permanent) end to man-in-the-middle attacks of this sort.

    So out of curiosity, can anyone link to said app yet?

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  21. Re:Since no-one has mentioned it... by c0lo · · Score: 1

    Do you have laws against your guys using it against you?

    Do you really think having those laws would really help?

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  22. Reminds me of the Greek wiretapping scandal by kabloom · · Score: 2

    Reminds me of the Greek wiretapping scandal. In that version of the wiretapping scandal, a very technically sophisticated attacker (possibly an insider in the phone company) installed wiretap software into the phone network's routers. News broke after a top exec at the phone company hanged himself. Though surely there's a lot we don't know, it was almost certainly not official company policy to cooperate with government wiretaps on political opposition.

  23. Re: Er... Incorrect. by LanceUppercut · · Score: 1

    Belarus has moved to modern European hardware at least 20 years ago. In fact, most of the post-Soviet space has communication infrastructure that is incomparably more advanced than what is currently used in the USA. It is actually dumbfounding how archaic the US communications are compared to Europe.

  24. No but it helps by ddoctorisin · · Score: 1

    In Canada our politicians are busy ensuring the complete erosion of private internet use as we know it. One of our current bills before parliament in Canada is essentially about to give make carriers to do this for the government. Basically they are installing lawful intercept systems for various law enforcement organizations to use. "This enactment requires telecommunications service providers to put in place and maintain certain capabilities that facilitate the lawful interception of information transmitted by telecommunications and to provide basic information about their subscribers to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the Commissioner of Competition and any police service constituted under the laws of a province" http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4007628&Language=e&Mode=1&File=19 And we are allowing it....

  25. Yes and no by LanceUppercut · · Score: 1

    Of course, you can capture the actual GSM radio transmission off the air. There's no way to stop that. However, that GSM transmission will not be readable, since it is encrypted. You can decrypt it without provider's help, but that will take a considerable amount of time and computing power. In order to decipher it immediately, you will definitely need provider's cooperation. So, the answer is that it is impossible to perform real-time monitoring of GSM conversations without the provider's help. GSM is absolutely secure in that regard. It is not clear what Lukashenko meant by what he said. Did they monitor her phone in real-time? If so, then it immediately means that they had access to internal provider's information. If they were only able to do it later, then it is possible that they actually deciphered the communications without provider's participation.

    1. Re:Yes and no by LanceUppercut · · Score: 1

      LOL! No. The currently standing record for GSM decryption "from scratch" requires several hours on a typical "supercomputer". You laptop will not not decrypt GSM communications "with a lag measured in seconds". On a laptop you can get "lag measured in seconds" only if you actually know the key, i.e. if you receive immediate direct support from the provider. BS like yours is usually spread around by crooks selling fake "cell intercept" software on the Net.

    2. Re:Yes and no by amorsen · · Score: 1

      The currently standing record for GSM "decryption" is to pretend to be the provider and tell the phone to not encrypt. Sure, that does not involve any actual decryption, but since you as a user cannot tell it happened, what exactly is the difference?

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  26. short answer by shentino · · Score: 1

    Yes it requires cooperation, but no, that cooperation doesn't have to be voluntary.

  27. Re:"Government"? Which country? by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1
    Worse still. The tapping facilities of 'lawful interception' *must* be made available to a foreign government as part of trade treaties (for 'IP protection').

    In New Zealand (where I am) our government reminded all of our telcos of a law to have this lawful inception equipment installed by the end of 2010 (my understanding it was part of our international obligations, mostly at the behest of the US whose own agencies are not subject to our local [NZ] laws). Similar equipment is installed in many other countries. This allows the US to trace packets flying across the World in real time (bypassing the supposed protection of the TOR system).

  28. It's called "Lawful Intercept" technology by mysidia · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not only is cooperation from the phone company not required, but the phone company doesn't get to know when it's being used, and has no technical means to stop it or prevent it.

    It's a legal requirement that the government is given the means to tap at will, and a legal requirement that their tapping cannot be discovered.

    That's what is happening when telecom/network equipment vendors are touting the "lawful intercept" feature compliance of their latest product models.

    1. Re:It's called "Lawful Intercept" technology by cheros · · Score: 1

      Not entirely true. The telco must enable that feature on demand, it's not on by default (at least not in the countries where I've seen it). A warrant or legal order is served with exact details, and only the data for that tap will be provided.

      The non-disclosure component is only towards the subject, which makes sense from an investigative point of view.

      "Hello? Ah yes, here is your telco. We had to put a tap on your line. No, no, it's all legal. Just carry on as before, and have a nice day" :-)

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  29. I'm sure it could by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Thing is people won't bother. It is amazing how lazy people are with security, physical, virtual, etc. Sure you could do encryption, this is more or less what the STU and STE phones the government use. The STU-III was more or less a phone, a digitizer, an encryption unit, and a modem. It encoded your voice and then could use analogue lines to send it out. The STE phones are all ISDN (or more recently IP) and handle everything digital, and are much more flexible.

    You could almost certainly implement such a thing on smartphone software. Might be hard to do over voice lines since they are pretty low bandwidth and your encoding and decoding would lower it further. However you could do it over the data channel no problem.

    For that matter you can buy STE units. Their crypto is kept on a card you put in them so the units themselves aren't classified. You couldn't get the crypto cards the government uses, but you could get one that uses AES or something similarly strong.

    However people just aren't going to bother.

    1. Re:I'm sure it could by Surt · · Score: 1

      Well, surely people in general won't bother, most people don't have well-financed, politically powerful enemies. But those who do? Surely it's worth a tiny amount of effort to them to secure their conversations?

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  30. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Unless it's encrypted, it's just radio traffic. Just need a scanner capable of decoding GSM or CDMA signals. You'll probably have to be within range of the tower communicating with their phone, but that's not too hard.

  31. Anything sent using radio frequency emission.... by SwedishChef · · Score: 1

    can be intercepted and decoded given enough time and/or money. It was once trivial to intercept cell calls (I could do it using off-the-shelf amateur radio equipment). It's become more difficult with digitized signals but I suspect that the technology to demodulate them is not beyond even former Soviet Bloc states. You don't need access to the cell company's hardware, either. These things are, after all, radios.

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  32. Yes you can, and easily so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You should operate from the principle that anything going wireless can be intercepted and manipulated (this also goes for NFC, by the way - with the right kit you can kit such a credit card from about 30 meters).

    There are a number of routes to intercept cell/mobile traffic:

    - the telco itself has a legal obligation to provide intercept as part of their license. That is controlled by warrant, but we all know how hard it is to get those in some countries (your magic words are "terrorist", "pedophile" or "tax evader". If your manual says "communist" you really ought to get a new one). This tap happens generally inside the telco, and has a nationwide reach - and AFAIK it may even combine into an international one inside ECHELON.

    Preventative measures: none, other than not using a cell for anything critical or confidential. Also valid for avoiding industrial and economic espionage.

    Alternative option: install a secure comms agent, but I spent 6 months researching to find the only two that did the job properly without either issues with provenance or code quality. Even then, the next gotcha there is the legal environment (you need to screen your customers or may become accessory to crime), an issue none of the providers I looked at had dealt with in any satisfactory manner. You must ask that question - it's the weak spot of nearly all those "secure" app that they host the interconnect server (which holds the call records) in nations with, umm, "a "creative" view of law enforcement.

    - you can infect the handset with an agent, generally done by people who are doing something illegal (intercept without a warrant breaks the law in many countries). Thank you smart phone, because you need an OS to do it, and it doesn't always involve a local install. Add a sniffer to something like Angry Birds and everyone will have it installed (not that I think AB has it, but it's an example). This has as advantage that you get hold of everything on the phone and it has a global reach, but is not so good for voice intercept as you need to maintain a data channel as well - much harder.

    Prevention: Bluetooth ID hidden, don't let the phone out of sight (and if it happens, get a new phone); keep important data off the phone, don't install everything you see - or use a non-smart phone.

    - you can locally intercept the traffic. This is the journalistic option as it's portable and cheap to build (sub $1k, your highest cost is a software radio, although I also heard something done with a couple of phones). Cell phone suppliers have "ignored" (*cough*) the part of the GSM spec that requires the phone to signal that it operates without encryption, so the strongest signal of the right provider simply wins - which is you.. You will end up with MP3s of any conversation that went through the fake cell.

    Oh, something else: you can also track any mobile phone, anywhere. The signaling is not filtered between providers, so find yourself a nation with a telco where staff accepts "sponsorship" and you can track any phone you want, even in nations that do otherwise a good data protection job. Just so you know..

  33. Wiretapping is too easy now. by Animats · · Score: 2

    Wiretapping is just too easy now. It used to be quite difficult. Before electronic central offices, wiretapping required either a tap near the phone end of the circuit, or wiring to the appropriate circuit at the central office's main distributing frame. Telcos charged law enforcement for central office taps. Guliani writes, in his book about his days prosecuting the New York Mafia, that they were paying about a million dollars a year to New York Telephone for wiretaps, which were charged as private line extensions. On one occasion, the FBI didn't pay a bill on time, and the billing system billed the other party on the circuit, the one being wiretapped. This was a major motivation for CALEA.

    In the crossbar era, it was possible to use the Automatic Line Insulation Test (ALIT) gear for wiretapping. This was a system that automatically tested each line every night, applying a test voltage and measuring leakage between the lines and to ground. Lines could also be tested remotely, on request, and the gear allowed listening in. But a central office would typically only have two sets of ALIT gear (three racks each), and using it for wiretapping interfered with routine maintenance. The FBI could sometimes get access to ALIT gear, but not local law enforcement. Only for short periods, too; the telco would keep demanding their test gear back.

    All this was such a headache that wiretaps weren't used much. Now, all CO gear has remote wiretapping of large numbers of lines on demand at all times. It's also much easier to record and to monitor the recordings. Orwell would be so impressed.

  34. duh, of course they can... by drwho · · Score: 1

    Yes, governments can monitor cellphones without having control of the switching facilities. In fact, they are, right now.

  35. Tone is an add on expense in some areas by witherstaff · · Score: 1

    In rural GTE land, then Verizon, and now Frontier, tone was an added feature on the monthly bill. It may still be but I haven't had a phone there for 5 years. The telco equipment comes setup for tone so if you don''t pay for tone they had to manually switch to pulse. I was fine having the minor delay in pulse simply to not let Verizon bleed a few more dollars out of their old lines. And people wonder why the US is behind so many other countries in broadband.

  36. why do they bother, are they nut cases? by cheekyboy · · Score: 2

    Why bother spying, i mean in the end whats the worst that can happen, you loose elections, and you still have billions of dollars. big deal.

    Are they really that psychotically married to the idea of rule over the people?

    I mean, get over it dumbass dictators, your a bunch of fukwits. That will get early dimmensure or some disease. You can take your billions when you died, might as well retire and live like Billy Maddison with all the cocaine you want.

    Their rule over the people is one big illusion, 10million yes men, who would kill you for youre wealth if offered.

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    1. Re:why do they bother, are they nut cases? by erroneus · · Score: 2

      What you fail to appreciate is that if you have billions of dollars, you have billions to lose and billions to protect and defend. Once you lose control of your own destiny (as if anyone ever had full control of it) and someone else is in charge, those billions might as well be in their hands.

      Let's put it this way. One of the first things people do with their new home is to put their own locks and security devices in them. It's theirs and now they need to protect it. And the more you have, the more you have to lose. And unless you are comfortable with other people taking what's yours (and most people aren't) you have to do something to protect it.

      I'm not saying it's right or good or normal... no wait, I am saying it's normal. What's not normal is having way more than you need. But these desires have a way of building on themselves. "I have resources. I need to protect them. To do that, I need more resources..." Some people just don't know when, where or how to stop. The rest of us are inherently limited in some way.

  37. VOIP IAX encryption by cheekyboy · · Score: 2

    IAX encryption

    As of asterisk version 1.2.4 (maybe before) there is a rather undocumented channel encryption feature included in chan_iax2. After successful authentication the whole channel including control data and voice data is encrypted with AES128. The encryption can be activated by adding the line

        encryption=aes128

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  38. The term you need to google for by jimicus · · Score: 1

    The term you need to google for is "lawful intercept".

    In essence, in most countries any telco is legally obliged to provide a mechanism for law enforcement to intercept calls and metadata about calls. Assuming Wikipedia's correct, this mechanism may allow interception to take place without the telco even knowing about it. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful_interception) and IIRC such a mechanism is baked right into the GSM standard.

    So the answer to your question is: Wiretapping does not necessarily require co-operation.

  39. cell phones are radios by jsprenkle · · Score: 1

    Why not simply follow the guy around with a decent receiver?

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  40. Re:surely smartphones with apps are the end of thi by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    What do you do when you're driving through Michigan, minding your own business, and you get stopped, because a policeman 'suspects' that you might be driving drunk or participating in prostitution? He can use the excuse that you drove to close to the center line, or your car doesn't look like it fits in the area that you're driving in.* While you're stopped, the policeman takes your phone and copies all the data off of it. It takes him about 90 seconds.

    * This is not far-fetched. I have been stopped for the former. My wife has been stopped for the latter.

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  41. Whoosh by kurisuto · · Score: 1

    You missed the joke. CinthIA = CIA. The woman whose voice is used for one of the numbers stations is known as Cynthia because of the station's supposed connection to the CIA.

  42. Re:surely smartphones with apps are the end of thi by Surt · · Score: 1

    You store your encryption keys in an encrypted file, and require a passcode/voice ident/etc to dial anyone you care about encrypting with.

    Or you accept that end attacks are much harder to defeat than man-in-the-middle. You resync with anyone you need to encrypt with after each arrest.

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  43. thank you for posting this by decora · · Score: 1

    this is exactly the kind of discussion that makes slashdot worthwhile

  44. I have friend in Belarus by MillerHighLife21 · · Score: 1

    I'll have to ask them about this.

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  45. Re:it should require corporate cooperation by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Every power that a government has is dangerous. Are you saying that they should have a capability to kill a large number of people in a short time, but not listen to cell phones? To whatever degree we trust a government to protect us from villains rather than be a villain, I would rather shift their powers towards later. What if communications of 9/11 highjackers were intercepted and we didn't go to two wars and make mountains out of naked unlawful combatants?