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Another Windows 8 Pre-Beta Surfaces
angry tapir writes "While Microsoft has not announced the release date of its follow-up to Windows 7, an early pre-beta version of Windows 8 (although its official name has not been confirmed) has surfaced on the Internet, the second version to appear within a month. It is the second milestone release that has showed up on the Internet this month. Users of this Windows 8 software have said it features a Ribbon-based user-interface, similar to the one used in recent editions of Microsoft Office. This specific milestone build also has software for a Webcam, a new task manager, a PDF reader and an immersive browser." "Surfacings" like this tell me that Microsoft sees the value in crowdsourced opinion gathering far more than they're sometimes given credit for.
new user-interface is a bad idea and may slow down users moving to windows 8.
Some places are still stuck on XP and are moving to 7 now and now 8 is on the way with a new GUI?
also what software / hardware that works in XP / 7 will windows 8 not work with?
Users of this Windows 8 software have said it features a Ribbon-based user-interface, similar to the one used in recent editions of Microsoft Office.
Overheard at Microsoft: "Hey guys, you know that ribbon interface that everybody hated? How about we put it everywhere in the system?"
What's next, will they bring back Bob and Clippy as well?
Circumcision is child abuse.
>a Ribbon-based user-interface, similar to the one used in recent editions of Microsoft Office.
>software for a Webcam,
>a new task manager,
>a PDF reader
>an immersive browser.
Gotta wonder why Microsoft aren't selling XP any more, 'cause this is THE BEST possible advert they could ever make.
Given that using Adobe software to view untrusted material is the rough equivalent of injecting yourself with used needles in the hope of scoring free heroin, I'm going to adopt a "it couldn't possibly be worse?" stance until otherwise demonstrated.
Ribbons? RIBBONS?
The most useless POS interface ever.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Because the ribbon interface hides things from you in more aggressive ways than did the dropdown menu interface? Because the ribbon interface in office broke shortcut keys that required otherwise incompetent finance and HR people to re-build their cheat sheets, and resulted in months of hassle as IT people the world over got called incessantly on "How do you do Mail Merge again?" type problems, when there were more pressing matters to attend with?
Because the whole reason that Microsoft implemented the ribbon UI was because of turtleneck wearing LA majors in silicon valley saying "It looks ugly, I don't like it." while drinking a double latte from starbucks, while posting from a Macbook air?
Seriously, I absolutly HATE the new UIs in windows vista and windows 7. Hated the "Aqua" UI in XP too-- First thing I do on XP machines is enable the "Classic UI". Cant even do that now on win7.
Here's an idea, just because something is new, does not mean it is better. Likewise, if something isn't broken, don't fix it.
These ideals are why you will see real power users and real computer geeks extolling the virtues of the CLI. (An interface that has been around for more than 30 years.)
The beef isn't that "Your computer illiterate fiance cannot figure it out"-- it is that if the UI isnt broken, then there is no reason to fix it. You can give the overall appearance a facelift, but dont change the core functionality with something untested and unproven without a means of reverting it to the more tried and true method.
Guess what I will do on windows8 systems? (If microsoft lets me that is...)
You guessed it. Classic Interface.
The main reason is because Task Manager is often used to try and regain control of a system which has stopped responding. It must be a small and efficient program so that it can be loaded and used when the system is low on resources (like processor time, memory, or even handles). It provides enough information for the user to determine resource usage for the system and running processes, and provides enough functionality for user to manage them. It is not meant to be used for in-depth performance analysis or detailed process information.
You'll notice that the "Services" tab which was added under Vista is very slow to populate when clicked. This is most likely no accident that it loads the service information from the registry on demand (only when the tab is clicked) instead of retreiving and storing it when Task Manager is first opened.
Process Explorer allows you to peek into intricate process details like handles and loaded DLL's, you can even view the strings in the DLL's memory. It also provides extremely detailed information about the system, like loaded drivers, DPC's and even hardware interrupts (which even interrupt the kernel scheduler and can't be tracked by standard Windows programming methods). This much information is great for doing a deep investigation of a driver or system issue, but is not necessary (and may even be confusing to many users) for regular process management.
They also probably do not include it in Windows because of anti-trust claims and such. They do not include software from most of their product lines in Windows anymore (even extremely useful things like Word Viewer, Windows Live Photo Gallery, or Windows Mobile Device Center). They are left to the user to download and install... If they included a checkbox in Task Manager for Process Explorer, competitors may cry that it's bundling.
The clash of honour calls, to stand when others fall.
What I've never understood is why MS didn't just make the Sysinternals 'Process Explorer' the default task manager
Or even better--in this day and age, why aren't the SysInternals tools pre-packaged into an MSI for easy deployment to machines complete with a %PATH% modifier so you can just push and run...?
There's no place like
I'm an "older people". Guess what - it was older people who built the first PC's. In fact, all the people who created the first operating systems are older people now. We made your apps, your games, your everything.
Alright, I'll make an effort to be fair here. Probably 20% of the people my age have never owned a PC, and never will. Another large percentage has never done anything with a PC other than check email, play a couple of games, and maybe read Fox News headlines. Many of the rest have never diddled in the registry, and have almost no idea how to diagnose or cure a virus problem - that's all automatic with the version of Norton shipped on the computer from Dell (or HP or Gateway or) and if that doesn't take care of it then the computer shop can fix it.
But, it isn't just older people. I can find a few dozen youngsters (25 and younger) who have no clue about the internal workings of a computer just as easily as older people. No freaking clue.
Older people. Phhht. Wait 'til you're an octogenarian, and the young pukes are making fun of you. Ha! More, I hope you live to be 120, and you have to tolerate the condescending bullshit from the kids for all of your last 40 years or more.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
I still remember WinNT and my Amiga hard disk.
I used it with Linux+UAE at work, and with my Amiga at home. It worked fine.
Then something tempted me to see how would WinNT react to it.
After good 12h of recovery of my files I knew for sure. NEVER trust Microsoft. They LIE.
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I just tested a line graph in Excel 2010, double clicked on the Y axis and the Format Axis dialog popped up. Same for the X Axis.
You seem to be wrong.
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