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China's High-Speed Trains Coming Off the Rails

Hugh Pickens writes "The Washington Post reports that China's expanding network of ultramodern high-speed trains is coming under growing scrutiny over costs and because of concerns that builders ignored safety standards in the quest to build faster trains in record time as new leadership at the Railways Ministry announced that to enhance safety, the top speed of all trains was being decreased from about 218 mph to 186. Without elaborating, the ministry called the safety situation 'severe' and said it was launching safety checks along the entire network of tracks. Meanwhile China's Finance Ministry announced that the Railways Ministry continues to lose money as the ministry's debt stands at $276 billion, almost all borrowed from Chinese banks. 'In China, we will have a debt crisis — a high-speed rail debt crisis,' says Zhao Jian, a professor at Beijing Jiaotong University and longtime critic of high-speed rail who worries that the cost of the project might have created a hidden debt bomb that threatens China's banking system. 'I think it is more serious than your subprime mortgage crisis. You can always leave a house or use it. The rail system is there. It's a burden. You must operate the rail system, and when you operate it, the cost is very high.'"

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  1. Re:Safety Standards? by perpenso · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh really? You mean there are existing safety standards for new technology? And here I thought it was just the engineer's conservative estimates...

    What new technology? High speed rail is over a hundred years old. The billion passenger mark was hit in the 1970s. I think there is sufficient track record to establish standards.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail

  2. Re:Wishfull thinking for USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Melamine in baby formula and animal feed to spike low protein counts (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1856168,00.html)
    Coal mine accidents in disproportionate amounts when you compare China's coal production to that of other countries (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/13/content_391242.htm)
    Melted down anything remotely resembling metal in the late 50s (The Great Leap Forward) to try to match the United Kingdom in steel production - an arbitrary goal set by Mao Zedong - naturally, the product was useless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace)

    China has come a long way since the end of Republican Era but has also consistently cut corners whenever possible. This isn't an issue of sour grapes, simply one of history.

  3. Bubbles in China by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Informative

    'In China, we will have a debt crisis — a high-speed rail debt crisis,' says Zhao Jian, a professor at Beijing Jiaotong University and longtime critic of high-speed rail who worries that the cost of the project might have created a hidden debt bomb that threatens China's banking system. 'I think it is more serious than your subprime mortgage crisis. You can always leave a house or use it. The rail system is there. It's a burden. You must operate the rail system, and when you operate it, the cost is very high.'"

    Unfortunately, that apparently isn't the only bubble in China:

    How Big Is the Chinese Property Bubble?

    In times of crisis alternative economic models become more appealing. Since the USA, the beacon of capitalism was the epicentre for the current crisis and the Chinese economy escaped relatively unharmed, there is a certain logic in asserting that the central planners in China have the right economic prescription.

    But as James Chanos and others have pointed out, centrally planned economies lead to malinvestment and nowhere is that malinvestment more manifest than in China’s Property market. Consider John Mauldin’s November 24th, Outside the box interview with Vitaliy Katsenelson. Katsenelson compares Japan’s property bubble of the late 1980s to modern day China and the results aren’t pretty.....

    China's credit bubble on borrowed time as inflation bites

    The Royal Bank of Scotland has advised clients to take out protection against the risk of a sovereign default by China as one of its top trade trades for 2011. This is a new twist.

    It warns that the Communist Party will have to puncture the credit bubble before inflation reaches levels that threaten social stability. This in turn may open a can of worms.

    "Many see China’s monetary tightening as a pre-emptive tap on the brakes, a warning shot across the proverbial economic bows. We see it as a potentially more malevolent reactive day of reckoning," said Tim Ash, the bank’s emerging markets chief.

    Officially, inflation was 4.4pc in October, and may reach 5pc in November, but it is to hard find anybody in China who believes it is that low. Vegetables have risen 20pc in a month.

    China: the coming costs of a superbubble

    China may seem to have defied the recession and the laws of economics. It hasn't. When China's bubble bursts, the global impact will be severe, spiking US interest rates.

    The world looks at China with envy. China’s economy grew 8.7 percent last year, while the world economy contracted by 2.2 percent. It seems that Chinese “Confucian capitalism” – a market economy powered by 1.3 billion people and guided by an authoritarian regime that can pull levers at will – is superior to our touchy-feely democracy and capitalism. But the grass on China’s side of the fence is not as green as it appears.

    In fact, China’s defiance of the global recession is not a miracle – it’s a superbubble. When it deflates, it will spell big trouble for all of us.

    It seems likely that the world has a few more financial tremors coming.

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  4. Re:"must operate" by Purpleslog · · Score: 5, Informative

    The phrase you are looking for is the "Sunk Cost Fallacy".

  5. Re:Yes, safety standards. by CaptainZapp · · Score: 4, Informative
    Actually France' TGV also has an exceptional track record regarding safety :

    TGV Accidents

    Germany's ICE, however, had a bad accident with 101 fatalities (details here ), which was caused by a series of issues, but most notably by a faulty wheel design.

    Nevertheless, high speed rail on a global scale has an exceptional safety record.

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