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The Importance of Lunch

theodp writes "I've been on teams that eat together every day,' writes Joel-on-Software Spolsky, 'and it's awesome. I've been on teams that don't, and lunch every day is, at best, lonely.' Spolsky is firmly in the camp that believes where and with whom we eat lunch is a much bigger deal than most people care to admit. 'There's a lot of stuff that's accidental about Fog Creek and Stack Exchange,' he concludes, 'but lunch is not one of them. Ten years ago Michael and I set out with the rather ambitious goal of making a great place to work. Eating together is a critical part of what it means to be human and what it means to have a humane workplace, and that's been a part of our values from day one.'"

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  1. Lunchbreaks by tripleevenfall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally... I'd rather spend that hour working and leave an hour earlier.

    Generally I'm at work to make money and not to make friends. I know every company does the rah-rah, we're awesome, "team-building", let's all be friends so we work better together. But I'd rather just be professional, get my work done, and spend my free time how I see fit.

    1. Re:Lunchbreaks by winkydink · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You make it sound like your work is a reality tv show ("I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to win.")

      If you don't think good personal relationships will make for a better team, then I'm glad you don't work with me.

      --

      "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

    2. Re:Lunchbreaks by tripleevenfall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can maintain good relationships with coworkers without having to go to happy hours and play lazer tag and drive go-karts with them.

      And, without being forced to basically make lunch into a meeting.

    3. Re:Lunchbreaks by negRo_slim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but what lunch time I do take, I like to have it quietly alone away from work and coworkers.

      Same here I've always enjoyed the solitude of a snack and a paper for my lunches, it never ceases to infuriate me when you become obligated to take part in company lunches/doughnut parties/etc, etc. I've had jobs seriously impacted by my lack of a desire to attend christmas parties or company birthday parties for people I don't even know.

      It's funny how you can be expected to put forth all this excitement, commitment and seeming loyalty towards companies that would just as soon lay you off if it was amiable for them.

      --
      On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
    4. Re:Lunchbreaks by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No common experience, nothing to talk about.

      There's your fallacy.

      You have lots to talk about with those people, precisely because of the experiences you don't have in common.

      There seems to be a lot of very boring people in this thread. By that I mean, they're only interested in spending time with others who share the same experiences, the same opinions, same political views, and have no interest in anyone who might have something different to say.

      If you don't want any exchanges with your coworkers other than the minimum transfer of data required to complete your job, that is your right. I have no issues with that.

      But don't pretend your attitude is due to some deficiency in those around you or a lack of common experience. You don't want to talk with the people you work with because of YOU, not because of them.

      I'll get off your lawn now.

  2. Extrovert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Again with people forcing extrovert-ism on the world. Why can't people *in general* be accepting of introverts who like to, and gain their energy from, being alone? I find it is an excellent time to put my thoughts together and come up with new ideas while away from my desk.

  3. workers vs owners by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you want to make a "great place to work" in the sense that those you work with are more than resources to exploit, build a cooperative, partnership or mutual.

    If you want to throw bones to your more easily won over employees, safe in the knowledge that you can fire them whenever necessary, pontificate on the importance of eating lunch with them.

  4. Spoken like a true extrovert by jayhawk88 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I’ve been on teams that eat together every day, and it’s awesome."
    "...but you’ll also see a distressing number of loners eating by themselves..."
    " Maybe they’re reading a book or checking their email while they eat so they don’t look sad."
    "Maybe they genuinely don’t like people and they’re happy to eat alone. Or maybe they’re just telling you that."

    This is something I see a lot in workplaces: Extroverted people just not understanding the mind of introverted people. Honestly I'm surprised a person with experience in the tech field (I assume) is falling into this trap.

    Not everyone enjoys being around and talking to other people all day long. Maybe it's because they're shy, maybe it's because they don't like their co-workers, maybe it's because they have some kind of disorder, or maybe it's just their natural personality. I gotta be honest, there's no way I'd last at that place, because if my boss/coworkers were on my case every day to come eat with them, I'd be miserable. It's fine if the group wants to go out/gather once in a while, but not every day. Most days I just want to go have an hour where I can be left to myself and not have to talk to anyone else. Wonder how many otherwise good employees he's run off with this policy?

    1. Re:Spoken like a true extrovert by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. I don't like taking lunch because it means I have to stay here longer, but when I do take lunch, I don't want to have to bullshit and listen to idiotic stories from people who have nothing insightful, interesting or, often, even truthful to say. I don't care about their latest trip to Florida, or what new restaurant they discovered, or what the weather is like. And that's just from "normal" people. I also don't want to hear about your WoW character, or your latest raid, or what armor set you collected. FFS, I just want to read Slashdot in peace.

  5. Is lunch hour paid time? by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is lunch with the team counted as on the clock? If not, the boss has no right to tell anybody with whom they should or should not eat.

  6. Yay! Anecdotes! by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's AWESOME!

    And if he had attributed the success to keeping a picture of a porcupine on his desk, would it be as relevant?

    The key point is that he sold the company to a larger company.
    He did not buy the larger company.

    It all comes down to how you define "success".

  7. Don't talk about work... by turgid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where I work, a bunch of us sit together for lunch, from my team and people who used to be on the team but went to work on other things.

    Talking about work is banned. Lunch is a time to crack jokes, talk about hobbies, outside interest and to put the world to rights.

    Taking a complete break from work for half to one hour is very good for concentration and problem-solving. It's amazing how frequently seemingly difficult problems become easily solvable after a proper lunch break.

    Some people are fine with half an hour, but I need at least an hour and some strong coffee afterwards. For the last 20-30 minutes, I read the news and have a good laugh at the ranting on slashdot.

    Those social bonds formed at lunch time are important. It's easier to go and speak to those people about work matters later and get their advice when you're friendly with them and you know how their minds work.

    And it's just nice to have a few friends in the place.

  8. Re:Greetings, I'm an introvert by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are introverted ways to enjoy a group lunch. Eating, listening, and perhaps occasionally participating in a discussion when it's relevant. A group lunch isn't a cocktail party, and just being at the table reminds people you are part of the team and keeps you informed on what other people are doing, having trouble with, etc. The information that gets revealed there can give you opportunities to be more helpful and needed in the team - which will contribute both to your own success and that of the group.

    I am in introvert who has learned the importance of lunch, among other things. Introversion doesn't need to become solipsism or self-absorption.