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NSA Advises Upgrade To Windows 7

An anonymous reader writes "In a document available from the NSA (warning, PDF file), that organisation advises users to upgrade to Windows 7 as part of their Best Practice for Securing a Home Network. No mention of BSD or Linux so I guess the Slashdot crowd will just have to bite the bullet and change operating systems if they want to be really secure."

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  1. So... by msauve · · Score: 5, Funny

    this means that there's an even better backdoor for the NSA in Win7?

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    1. Re:So... by black3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The backdoor in XP only gives them a master algorithm for decrypting anything protected with the tools provided with the OS. Perhaps in 7 either, 1) they've developed a method of recording keys for any encryption taking place (fairly unlikely as very easily detected), 2) Windows 7 automatically records hashes for hidden volumes when data on them is accessed (more likely, noticing a hash is in use in the reading of data on a volume by a third-party process, eg, truecrypt.dll, and they don't even need to capture the crypto-keys - also less detectable - while folks know their crypto-keys, not many know their hash by heart and wouldn't notice it being copied in memory), 3) something else I haven't thought of, 4) they actually care about your security - but given the organisation and their goals this is _extremely_ unlikely.

      Disclaimer: I may have not used the correct terminology in places. Feel free to correct mis-used words, but try to do so without insulting my mother, my nerd-status, or my intellect - this merely isn't my field of expertise.

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    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The backdoor in XP only gives them a master algorithm

      It's actually a master key. The algorithm is well known, and is publicly available (like your mother).

      something else I haven't thought of

      Like Microsoft and Intel working together, to add a backdoor at the processor level? You should have thought of that. Hand in your badge, you're not a real nerd.

      they [Microsoft] actually care about your security

      You're such a dumbass.

      ...without insulting my mother, my nerd-status, or my intellect

      oops

    3. Re:So... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The backdoor in XP only gives them a master algorithm for decrypting anything protected with the tools provided with the OS. Perhaps in 7 either, 1) they've developed a method of recording keys for any encryption taking place (fairly unlikely as very easily detected), 2) Windows 7 automatically records hashes for hidden volumes when data on them is accessed (more likely, noticing a hash is in use in the reading of data on a volume by a third-party process, eg, truecrypt.dll, and they don't even need to capture the crypto-keys - also less detectable - while folks know their crypto-keys, not many know their hash by heart and wouldn't notice it being copied in memory), 3) something else I haven't thought of, 4) they actually care about your security - but given the organisation and their goals this is _extremely_ unlikely.

      I'd be utterly unsurprised if the NSA or other "security" agencies aren't heavily vested in backdoors for closed-source software, but I suspect what's actually going on here is that they see the end of XP support looming, they know how slow people are to upgrade, and they don't want the country filled with machines that aren't getting security updates anymore. We're easy enough a target now; anyone with the least concern for security must dread the possibility of it getting worse.

      Disclaimer: I may have not used the correct terminology in places. Feel free to correct mis-used words, but try to do so without insulting my mother, my nerd-status, or my intellect - this merely isn't my field of expertise.

      Too bad you didn't turn out to be an ultra-smart nerd, like your mother.

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    4. Re:So... by jsebrech · · Score: 2

      Or (5) like in any large organization there's no mastermind that controls all the NSA's actions, and this is a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. Someone could be honestly arguing in favor of better security for end users, while another part of the organization is working to undermine that. The question is: which of the two sides sent out this advice?

  2. awful summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    way to be a teenage provocative troll

    1. Re:awful summary by black3d · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are Timothy and Kdawson different people, or merely alter egos?

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  3. Considering who this is talking about, so what? by Derekloffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is talking to your average home user, and guess what, Linux is not exactly a popular desktop OS. It certainly has it's draw, but switching over to it just is a non-starter for most people. You'll also note they talked about Mac OS upgrades too, not just windows 7. Windows 7 upgrade was mentioned specifically if they were already using a windows OS.

    1. Re:Considering who this is talking about, so what? by Derekloffin · · Score: 2

      They talked about both Windows and Mac (unlike the summary). Windows upgrade to Windows 7, likewise for Mac, old to newest.

    2. Re:Considering who this is talking about, so what? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oops sorry. Just read TFA. :\

      Now *that* will spoil the Slashdot Experience.

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    3. Re:Considering who this is talking about, so what? by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah yes, the 15 year old argument that Linux is too difficult to use for the ordinary home user, who surfs the net, does his checkbook, writes papers for school, and other generic tasks that can be done on a Linux platform without any arcane pounding on the keyboard at a command prompt.

      Let me tell you about Uncle Joe. Uncle Joe is a guy from the Old Country (TM). Specifically, Madiera. He's a machinist and a damn good one at that. His education stopped at the 8'th grade, as it did in Madiera. He was curious about Linux so I installed it for him. His wife's computer was untouched.

      His reaction? "I don't see why it's supposedly so hard, it's just like Windows"

      That was 4 years ago. He has yet to go back.

      His experience is so trouble free, he bought a new machine and told the salesman "No, I don't need to upgrade Windows to Ultimate, I'm going to install Linux" - which he did without my help. I would say that the Uncle Joe Experiment was a resounding success.

      The only thing that is still difficult on Linux is running Windows games. But then that argument means that Windows is just a gaming OS and I don't think you want to go there.

      It's not the 90s anymore, dude.

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    4. Re:Considering who this is talking about, so what? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2

      ... and for linux: sudo apt-get install updates

      That's sudo emerge --newuse --update --deep world on my boxen you insensitive clod!

    5. Re:Considering who this is talking about, so what? by oliverthered · · Score: 2

      NSA tells you to upgrade your Windows or Mac OS, a friend comes round and upgrades your linux.

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    6. Re:Considering who this is talking about, so what? by dudpixel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good luck getting mum to install windows either.

      what was your point again?

      so if you went to the store and they installed linux for you, how is that different?

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    7. Re:Considering who this is talking about, so what? by Sean+Hederman · · Score: 2

      I agree that Linux is not difficult for the ordinary home user; yet nonetheless they stay away from it in droves. It's been the Year of the Linux Desktop for over a decade now. You see, the problem is that people just don't CARE. They don't give a flying stuff; so they use Windows because they've always used Windows - it's familiar and all their apps work on it, and all their devices work.

      Ironically this works in favor of companies like Apple which can convince people to care by creating a branding experience that customers respond to. It was always the mantra of the Linux fanbois that the only reason people used Windows is marketing.

      Newsflash: do your marketing better and you will outpace Windows.

  4. Misleading summary by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article suggests that, if your are running Windows, that you upgrade to Windows 7 or Vista.

    It also has advice for MAC users.

    Just because it has no advice for Linux or BSD users doesn't mean that the article suggests that Linux or BSD users should switch to Windows.

    [But you all knew that -- whenever are /. summaries accurate?]

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    1. Re:Misleading summary by FedeTXF · · Score: 2

      That's right. If you use Linux you are more secure by default. For example one of the tips is to limit the use of administrator account and to configure auto-update. Both things are by design unless you brake them on purpose.

    2. Re:Misleading summary by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the BSD users http://cryptome.org/0003/fbi-backdoors.htm
      The NSA would not really care what OS you use, its all networking in plain text and a known ip to them.
      64 bit Windows 7 just reduces the malware and provides a cleaner network.

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  5. The NSA was addressing 99% of people by betelgeuse68 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not the 1% who use LINUX desktops. Spare me the trolling. I like Ubuntu a lot, but I'm a tech person. Most people aren't, get over it.

    1. Re:The NSA was addressing 99% of people by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which is not to mention that the NSA has done more to contribute to the security of the Linux kernel than they have (at least as far as is publicly acknowledged) done for Windows: SELinux.

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  6. NSA by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The NSA have an excellent guide for securing Linux systems (particularly Redhat, but much is applicable to all distros), so they're hardly Windows-centric.

    1. Re:NSA by Jahava · · Score: 2

      The NSA have an excellent guide for securing Linux systems (particularly Redhat, but much is applicable to all distros), so they're hardly Windows-centric.

      They also have developed a staple of (a) modern Linux security architecture, namely SELinux.

    2. Re:NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    3. Re:NSA by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny

      The NSA have an excellent guide for securing Linux systems (particularly Redhat, but much is applicable to all distros), so they're hardly Windows-centric.

      They also have developed a staple of (a) modern Linux security architecture, namely SELinux.

      Do they have one for people who live in the northwest?

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  7. how did this happen? by Bizzeh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    how did the NSA recommending that WINDOWS USERS upgrade to the latest version of WINDOWS. turn into a linux story?

    1. Re:how did this happen? by Anne+Honime · · Score: 2

      Because most software comes with a 'windows XP or better OS' printed on the box, and as we all know here, Linux is much better.

    2. Re:how did this happen? by Opyros · · Score: 2

      It got posted on Slashdot.

  8. Goddamnit Slashdot by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows 7 IS a worthy upgrade from XP - certainly from the security point of view. I have helped people with transitions from XP/Vista to 7 and found an almost unanimous praise for it. Given the choice, people preferred 7 for reasons of aesthetics, functionality and robustness.

    The longer the Linux crowd believes that Microsoft can not make decent quality (once in a while at least), the longer they'll fail to make any changes which might someday resolve the issues that push people away from Linux.

  9. RTFA by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, the NSA recommends that you use a "modern OS" and then gives Windows Vista and Windows 7 as examples. Nothing suggests they consider these the only modern OS's in existence.

  10. Re:No such Agency. wants what is best for the coun by magamiako1 · · Score: 2

    Remote desktop and remote registry aren't on by default in Windows 7.

    This makes the rest of your points invalid.

  11. Re:I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but.. by Mitsoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would be unreasonable to expect Grandma & grandpa who barely know how to turn on a computer to learn Linux...

    "For securing a home network" = Basic computer skills, not the linux lovers (unless linux becomes more wide spread and taught to people)... so Compared to Windows 2000/Vista/etc.. recommending people use 7 for Home Networks (as in, those not in the slashdot community) is a perfectly reasonable suggestion

  12. Re:I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but.. by Omnifarious · · Score: 3, Funny

    t would be unreasonable to expect Grandma & grandpa who barely know how to turn on a computer to learn Linux...

    This is on oft repeated fallacy. And it is a fallacy. There is nothing harder for 'grandma and grandpa' about Linux vs. Windows. Especially if they don't already know Windows. My computer-literate, non-programmer friends who want technical support from me use Linux, and I hardly ever get a call.

  13. Bad summary by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    I guess no one involved in green lighting this read the PDF.

    The NSA pamphlet was only for Windows and Mac users, it didn't mention migrating to LINUX or BSD because it wasn't about alternative OSes, just what current users should go to.

    They have a bunch of these fact sheets, shocking the securing iPhones and iPads one doesn't talk about migrating to Android or Win 7.
    http://www.nsa.gov/ia/guidance/security_configuration_guides/fact_sheets.shtml

    1. Re:Bad summary by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 2

      The PDF is clearly aimed at novices. To have included non-standard home operating systems at such an audience would have been unproductive.

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  14. Buying a computer to run Windows-only apps by tepples · · Score: 2

    For a competent technician either OS can be installed and configured properly. Perhaps in their case they could pay one with the savings on the Windows 7 licence fee.

    Does this include cases where "properly" means "correctly running the Windows-only applications for which I bought the computer in the first place?" I didn't think so.

  15. Re:The reason for this by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    I don't think "old stuff works" is going to be much of a selling point.

    For Enterprise work? Sure it is. Nobody wants to throw out thousands of perfectly good printers just because you upgraded the OS. Well, except for printer manufacturers that it is.

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  16. Re:I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but.. by hawguy · · Score: 2

    t would be unreasonable to expect Grandma & grandpa who barely know how to turn on a computer to learn Linux...

    This is on oft repeated fallacy. And it is a fallacy. There is nothing harder for 'grandma and grandpa' about Linux vs. Windows. Especially if they don't already know Windows. My computer-literate, non-programmer friends who want technical support from me use Linux, and I hardly ever get a call.

    My elderly parents (> 70 years old) have been running Linux for about 5 years. They don't know or care what the underlying operating system - all they want is a web browser so they can send mail and browse the web. I gave them some desktop shortcuts for some common websites and set their browser homepage to to a page on my webserver so I can give them additional shortcuts (like a link to my sister's Picasa page) anytime I want. I moved them to Linux after multiple viral infections (despite anti-virus "protection") made their computer unusable under Windows. When I gave them a new laptop 2 years ago and showed them Windows, they wanted it back how it was, so I ditched WinXP and moved them back to Linux/Gnome.

    Looks like they'll be staying with Gnome2 for the forseeable future since I don't want to teach them to Navigate Gnome3's new interface (or, worse, Unity).

    Oh, and the printer they bought as Best Buy works fine.

  17. Re:I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but.. by Noitatsidem · · Score: 2

    You could be some kind of Linux Guru, that being said you could also know how to use google. Here's some help http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+do+I+use+Google%3F You're welcome.

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  18. NSA's Advice for Solaris and Linux by nz17 · · Score: 2

    For those who contributed to the above Slashdot summary who are obviously incapable of properly navigating or searching Web sites, the NSA provides advice on securing multiple different computer operating systems and revisions. Yes, that includes Linux and even Solaris, and multiple versions to boot. Furthermore, additional research will yield that the NSA also has articles on securing a variety of common applications, Web browser plugins, and file formats. Then again, should anything less be expected from the organization that created and developed Security-Enhanced Linux in collaboration with Red Hat?

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  19. Re:I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but.. by c6gunner · · Score: 2

    Dunno what to tell you; works fine for me. Sure you're not just running it on really old hardware?

    To be completely fair, I do seem to be having a weird effect with the newest update, where the videos load full-screen in the background and I have to minimize the browser in order to see them. It's annoying, but not exactly a critical flaw. Other than that, flash works as well when running on my Ubuntu partition as it does when I boot into Windows 7.

  20. submitter is an idiot by Tom · · Score: 2

    This isn't "news", it's a bad blog rant.

    The paper is for home users, and they are right to focus on the 99% there that are covered by windos and OS X.

    And accusing the NSA of not supporting Linux is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a decade. These are the guys that brought us SELinux, including fighting on our behalf to get an assurance that there won't be patent troubles with it.

    You can accuse the NSA of a lot of things, like covert surveilance and stuff, but certainly not of ignoring Linux. Heck, they even have a hardening guide for Red Hat on their list of official guides, just like they do for windos, OS X and Solaris.

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  21. Re:The Limit Use of the Administrator Account seem by jsebrech · · Score: 2

    This is what frustrates me most. In my experience, the actual incidence of malware being installed without the user's knowing is close to zero these days. Since Vista, whenever I've heard of someone who got a virus it turned out that they were actually clearly warned that they were doing something very dangerous, sometimes even their antivirus software protested that it was a virus, and still they click continue. Why? Free movies online! Just download this video plugin first!

    Users cannot be relied upon to make security decisions. The only way to make a secure OS is to remove the human factor, to take away all decision power for installing malware, which means you have to prevent them from installing anything that's not from a curated app store. In short, although it pains me to admit it, apple's model is the only one that can be truly secure.

  22. Re:No such Agency. wants what is best for the coun by jsebrech · · Score: 2

    Can you claim zero remote code vulnerability in linux, despite it being open source?

    Having the source is meaningless when it consists of tens or hundreds of millions of lines of code. Back of the envelope calculations indicate that it would take you about 500 years to review 100 million lines of code, provided 8 hours a day are spent on it, every day. And then there's the bootstrapping issue. How can you be sure that the binary components you use to bootstrap the OS (be they executables or just a compiler) actually are secure?

    In short, the only security metric that matters for operating systems is "do i trust my vendor?". Having the source doesn't buy you a single bit of security.

    If you don't think microsoft can be trusted, I would have to ask why. Granted, in the 90's they had an awful track record, but if I look at the past decade, I see a business that "gets it" when it comes to security.

  23. Re:I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but.. by Mathinker · · Score: 2

    Wow, a grandmother who uses Flash CS5? (I thought they only programmed in C --- the young ones, anyway.)

    Egads, couldn't you have found something a bit more logical, like her grandchildren want to play a specific Windows-only game?