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AppleCrate II: Apple II-Based Parallel Computer

sproketboy noted that many years ago Michael J. Mahon built the AppleCrate — a parallel stack of Apple IIs — for no good reason. Recently he came back with the AppleCrate II, which more than doubles the number of motherboards, and at least triples the awesomeness.

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  1. My name is finally appropriate by cpu6502 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apple II == 6502 CPU from Commodore Semiconductor

    I'd sooner have an Apple IIgs stack however (with its 16 bit 65000). Same ease-of-use as the original 8 bit computer, but operates about six times faster, and has a Mac-style OS.

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    1. Re:My name is finally appropriate by chill · · Score: 2

      16-bit 65000...is that like, 3000 less than the Motorola 68000? Did Apple get a discount, or just not use the extra transistors?

      And if you were going for M68000-based machines, why not the Atari ST or Commodore Amiga? (Nothing like dredging up decades-old flame wars. :-)

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    2. Re:My name is finally appropriate by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple II == 6502 CPU from Commodore Semiconductor

      No, the 6502 was designed by Motorola and manufactured by MOS Tech. Besides, he's using enhanced 2e's which sported a 65c02 which was designed by Western Design Center...

    3. Re:My name is finally appropriate by Arlet · · Score: 3, Informative

      More correctly, the 6502 was designed by Chuck Peddle and Bill Mensch. Both engineers were working for Motorola, but the 6502 was an underground project. Management didn't approve of their efforts to create a cheaper version of the 6800. They left, and started working for MOS to finish the design.

    4. Re:My name is finally appropriate by Xtifr · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was actually the 65c816, which was a 16-bit version of the 6502, completely unrelated to the m68k, and binary-compatible with the 6502 so the IIgs could still run old Apple II software.

    5. Re:My name is finally appropriate by drgould · · Score: 2

      No, the 6502 was designed by Motorola and manufactured by MOS Tech.

      Almost, but not quite. The 6501 was designed by a team at Motorola but Motorola management was uninterested so the entire design team resigned en masse, shopped the design around and finally MOS Technology produced it.

      The 6501 was pin-compatible with the Motorola 6800, Motorola sued immediately so the not-pin-compatible, but otherwise identical, 6502 was designed and produced.

      And the rest is history.

    6. Re:My name is finally appropriate by rimcrazy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Western Design Center WAS Bill Mench. I worked with him. He had the rights to the 6502 as well as the follow on 16C6502. Bright guy but a disaster to work with. The world revolved around Bill. Did not matter that all of the world semiconductor fabs had their own design rules for how THEY manufactured semiconductors. Bill designed things based upon what he thought they SHOULD be using. Made for very fun times when you had to do silly things like DRC and timing analysis. In particular race condition analysis because you.... oh.... ran your CLOCK lines in poly (aka resistor) instead of metal. Can you say "Race Condition?" or how about "Lets beat the clock!"...............

      gad I thought I forgot those days....................

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  2. Re:yes but... by StripedCow · · Score: 2

    I'm even wondering if this thing runs faster than my cellphone...

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  3. Re:Supercomputer? by lostchicken · · Score: 2

    Of course, nowadays the generic PC is a cluster computer. How many single-core machines do you see these days? Factor in the GPU, and you pretty much are hacking on a mid-80s vector computer.

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  4. C64 stack by JavaBear · · Score: 2

    Would it even be possible to make a stack with Commodore 64's?

    1. Re:C64 stack by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 2

      Wouldn't exactly be 64-bit anymore then, would it?

  5. AAAAGHHH! by poptones · · Score: 2

    The 6800 came from Motorola. The 6502 was the successor the the 6501, both of which came from MOSTEK. Commodore may have had cpus contracted out, but the 6500 came nearly a decade before commodore hit the bigtime. MOSTEK was one of the leaders at the time because they offered experimenters a $20 "kit" that included a manual AND a 6501 CPU chip. This price was phenomenal at the time. The 6502 was the cpu that powered the KIM and SYM microcomputer kits, which were also very capable and very affordable - at $250 they were a fraction the price of the 8080 and z80 based machines of the time, and were equally capable (in fact, in many cases, much faster).

    NOT a 65000, NOT a 68000, not a 6800, and so on. The 6800 was a slightly different beast, pushed by Motorola because they thought they had the power to overcome mostek's intertia because they're freaking motorola. But the 6800 was inferior in many ways, and it didn't happen until the 65xx line was long sold and dying.

    1. Re:AAAAGHHH! by SETIGuy · · Score: 2

      Mostek was very much a different company than the one that built the 6502. MOS Technologies built the 6502.

  6. Re:Cool but... by tekrat · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you look at this actual website, it becomes more obvious WHY he's using Apple II boards.

    #1) He's using discrete components and actual wire and solder to cobble the boards into a single computer. He uses perf-board and socketed chips to build his extra peripherals. YOU CANNOT DO THAT with modern Intel-based mobos. They are all surface mount and pretty much unhackable unless you've got some elYte equipment.

    #2) The Apple II board was built by a hacker, for hackers. That makes it the obvious choice in a nutshell. This is exactly the kind of stuff Woz wanted people to do with his creation.

    #3) There's no challenge to doing parallel computing with an intel mobo -- they are already coming off the shelf with 8 cores. What's the fun in that?

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  7. Re:Cool but... by DriedClexler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    #2) The Apple II board was built by a hacker, for hackers. That makes it the obvious choice in a nutshell. This is exactly the kind of stuff Woz wanted people to do with his creation.

    Wow, kind of a reminder of how much they've changed. These days it's, "You need an Apple technician to replace the battery / hard drive / casing / logo..."

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