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Google Allows Carriers To Ban Tethering Apps

iluvcapra writes "Google, in its continuing struggle to provide phone carriers (if not its end users) with an open platform, is now banning tethering apps from the Android market. These apps haven't disappeared and can still be sideloaded, insofar as your carrier doesn't lock this functionality or snoop on your packets."

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  1. Not Banned by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Informative

    From what I've seen (from screenshots) they're not banned as such, but they will not load to a specific carrier if that carrier has asked that it be blocked. You can still side-load it, with your carrier's data charges being incurred at your peril.

  2. This is good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It puts more load on their network if you use up your five gigabytes of monthly data with your laptop instead of your cell phone, unless you pay extra for it.

    1. Re:This is good. by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Basic contract law says that they can't make changes to the contract without your agreement.

      You agreed to let them make changes to the contract when you signed it.

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    2. Re:This is good. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      You agreed to let them make changes to the contract when you signed it.

      Either that, or your contract specifies that every time you use your phone you are agreeing to any goddamn agreement they want.

      It's all fun and games until they abduct you and sew your lips to someone's asshole. I seen it on the teevee.

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    3. Re:This is good. by base2_celtic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you can't. IANAL, but any contract that says "you agree to any changes in the future" is illegal and non-binding.

      This is why WoW's Terms and Conditions are continually popping up for you to agree to -- every time they make a change, you have to reagree.

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    4. Re:This is good. by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 5, Informative

      and any time you challenge it, they simply terminate the contract and send you packing.

      Because saying you automatically agree to any changes is illegal and they can't hold you to it. Anybody can put ANYTHING in a contract, but that doesn't mean they can enforce it. All they can do is terminate the contract, which is exactly what's being discussed here. Wireless companies cannot charge you an ETF when you decline a change to your contract. The contracts state "We (The Company) may terminate the Contract at any time for any reason" and any change to the contract that is met with your declination will cause the company to enact that clause and send you packing. Of course, they would have to eat the cost of the device as well, but that's what they'll do if the new contract terms are so important.

    5. Re:This is good. by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 4, Informative

      They have your credit card and a contract that says you promised to pay, and the credit card company will simply pay it and bill you. You won't have a leg to stand on when you complain.

      If you are a lawyer you would know that the agreed to right to modify, signed in advance, is enforceable the vast majority of the time. Only rarely do you find a judge who with tell them they can't do it. If they were getting bitch slapped by judges as often as you seem to think, they would stop putting that in their contracts in the first place. But its still in there. Know why? Cuz it works.

      I promised to pay $199.99 plus tax for my Droid X, to extend my contract for 2 years, and to be subject to an early termination fee of $350 should I cancel my service before the contract time is up. That's what I promised to pay. They didn't loan me the extra $400 of MSRP and tell me that it will be paid off over time automatically as I continue my service. I paid $199.99, and that's it.

      From Customer Agreement | Verizon Wireless:

      If you cancel a line of Service, or if we cancel it for good cause, during its contract term, you'll have to pay an early termination fee. If your contract term results from your purchase of an Advanced Device after November 14, 2009, your early termination fee will be $350 minus $10 for each full month of your contract term that you complete. (For a complete list of Advanced Devices, check verizonwireless.com/advanceddevices.) Otherwise, your early termination fee will be $175 minus $5 for each full month of your contract term that you complete.

      Can Verizon Wireless Change This Agreement or My Service?
      We may change prices or any other term of your Service or this agreement at any time,but we'll provide notice first, including written notice if you have Postpay Service. If you use your Service after the change takes effect, that means you're accepting the change. If you're a Postpay customer and a change to your Plan or this agreement has a material adverse effect on you, you can cancel the line of Service that has been affected within 60 days of receiving the notice with no early termination fee.

      What Are Verizon Wireless' Rights to Limit or End Service or End this Agreement?We can, without notice, limit, suspend or end your Service or any agreement with you for any good cause, including, but not limited to: (1) if you: (a) breach this agreement; (b) resell your Service; (c) use your Service for any illegal purpose, including use that violates trade and economic sanctions and prohibitions promulgated by any U.S. governmental agency; (d) install, deploy or use any regeneration equipment or similar mechanism (for example, a repeater) to originate, amplify, enhance, retransmit or regenerate an RF signal without our permission; (e) steal from or lie to us; or, if you're a Postpay customer, (f) pay late more than once in any 12 months; (g) incur charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit, or materially in excess of your monthly access charges (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (h) provide credit information we can't verify; or (i) are unable to pay us or go bankrupt; or (2) if you, any user of your device or any account manager on your account: (a) threaten, harass, or use vulgar and/or inappropriate language toward our representatives; (b) interfere with our operations; (c) "spam," or engage in other abusive messaging or calling; (d) modify your device from its manufacturer's specifications; or (e) use your Service in a way that negatively affects our network or other customers. We can also temporarily limit your Service for any operational or governmental reason.

      They WILL eat the device charges. They have to. Declining a change in your contract and causing Verizon to cancel it is NOT "good cause" to charge an ETF.

      If YOU are a lawyer you would know that there's a reason Verizon's customer agreement goe

    6. Re:This is good. by Whalou · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's all fun and games until they abduct you and sew your lips to someone's asshole.

      So that's the origin of that IANAL expression.

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  3. Why the sensational title? by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google Allows Carriers To Ban Tethering Apps

    I beg to differ, and here's why.

    Android based smart phone users are not prevented from installing tethering apps from elsewhere. In fact, one can [still] install them if on the Sprint network.

    What Google has done is to 'comply' with Verizon's request to have tethering apps removed from the Android Market if this market is accessed by Android devices *on* the Verizon network.

    This falls short of a ban as implied by the diction in the title.

    1. Re:Why the sensational title? by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why the sensational title

      The 'i' in Android is not at the beginning of the product name.

  4. Re:Damn. by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By jailbreaking your handset, and telling the carrier to be more honest in their marketing next time if they complain?

  5. Re:Damn. by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Also, while I'm aware that this could only be considered 'on topic' by the most tenuous of standards, I'm surprised we got a term so positive as 'jailbreak' into mainstream usage. The connotation that the phone as-provided is trapped in a jail, and that the user is freeing it by hacking the OS, seems like a reasonable analogy to me, it's just that I would've expected the carriers to go for a bit of negative PR. Something along the lines of "Sure, you could install that evil communist app that hasn't been authorised by an upstanding corporation's store, but you'd need to terrorist-molest your phone to do so. You don't want to do that, do you?"

  6. Capped. by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With virtually all carriers capping virtually all plans these days, any rationale for preventing tethering disappeared.

    Now it is simply GREED. They have special plans that add tethering. Therefore you can't tether for free any more.
    They can't claim network impact. As long as you stay under your Cap what is the problem?

    There is precious little data to suggest tethering users actually use more data. I know I don't. Sometimes I just want to
    send an email attachment that happens to be on my laptop. Some times I need to SSH into a server and can't put up with
    trying do deal with a command line task on that tiny screen.

    But it seems the defenders of this clamp down all seem to be rushing to defending the carriers because the carriers
    rely on the "over sell" of their bandwidth. Any user that approaches his CAP is therefore somehow stealing from
    the carrier. (I kid you not, I've seen this argument posted).

    But even to reach that level of gullibility you have to buy into the idea that people who tether use more data. But its just not supported by the facts.

    The coming release of a flood of WIFI only tablets, with no continuing data plan for the carriers has a lot of people planning to tether these tablets for those few times a year when traveling where there is no handy WIFI. The carriers are trying to nip this in the bud, and they believe that every handheld device needs to have a carrier plan.

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  7. Re:Damn. by mspohr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is my favorite feature of my Nexus One. Just a few taps and it turns into a WiFi hotspot. This one feature has saved me hundreds of dollars on hotel rip-off WiFi prices. Nice also in the car to have WiFi for your passengers.

    This is a feature of 2.2 (and above) unless your evil phone carrier disables it. (T-Mobile is happy with me using it.)

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  8. Re:VPN + tethering works & why we like cryptog by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You just have to have the vpn server on port 80 or 443 and you'll look a lot like https :)

    That's what I do to get on my vpn from the library.

  9. Re:Damn. by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Australia the word root means sex!