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Real Life Farmville

arkenian writes "The BBC reports on a farm in the UK to be run by online subscribers to the MyFarm website voting on which crops to grow and livestock to rear. For a £30 annual fee, 10,000 farm followers will help manage Wimpole Home Farm, in Cambridgeshire. They will be asked to make 12 major monthly decisions during the course of the year as well as other choices. The National Trust says its MyFarm project aims to reconnect people with where their food comes from."

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  1. Farm by committee? by Dyinobal · · Score: 2

    I really don't see how this can be a good idea. Trying to accomplish anything by letting it be managed entirely by what's essentially an unaccountable committee group is going to end in ruin. But hey maybe that doesn't really matter. Getting 300k euro + what ever government subsidies farmers in the UK get my be worth totally fsking your productivity and crop output.

    1. Re:Farm by committee? by edbosanquet · · Score: 2

      I think the manager of the farm will have strong control over the options available on the 12 decisions a month. 300k pounds a year could really convince me to put a question out like "What color should we paint the barn?" or "Should we plant 15 or 20 acres of x crop?"

  2. Re:My brain... by WonderingAround · · Score: 2

    Yes it's epicly stupid, but you have to admit if there's at least a few trolls involved this farm could get really interesting.

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  3. Re:My brain... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 2

    My thoughts exactly, as soon as /b/ gets involved, this is gonna be pretty funny. Pool's closed due to aids.

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  4. I thought this was a good idea.. by kvvbassboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What? I personally thought this was a great idea to build upon. In the country I come from, there is a huge economic gap between the farmers who live in the villages, and the consumers in the metropolitan cities. The government tries to subsidize the farmers by giving them money and infrastructure, but it's just not enough.

    If social experiments in Facebook, Twitter and Anonymous have shown us anything, it is that the general public likes to participate in making major decisions (which makes then feel important), and are willing for this. It is a win-win situation for everyone.

    However, it is crucial that the trolls be weeded out by some means.

    1. Re:I thought this was a good idea.. by camperslo · · Score: 2

      Maybe the game could use a few modern twists and get people prepared for things they haven't given enough thought to. Got some radio-iodine in the milk? The half-life is short. Why not process it into powdered milk and store it until there's no longer a problem? Could farmers or the department of agriculture use cloud seeding to cause pollution to be dumped in a lower impact area like over the ocean? Could some keep hay in reserve to feed the cows with in case the pasture areas get contaminated for a little while? If farmers got more behind product testing, wouldn't they be less likely to have competitors cheating with melamine?

      If animals are fed diets that promote higher acidity and nastier strains of pathogens, crowding promotes spread of pathogens, and heavy use of antibiotics has made resistant pathogens more common, shouldn't the "good" farmers be pushing for more transparency leading to public outcry that helps push desirable reforms?

      Does the pubic have an accurate picture of potential dangers? Can a game help make life better?

      http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110505p2g00m0dm005000c.html

      Should farmers have plans to evacuate their cows under bad conditions? Should information have been withheld to keep them and others more calm? Could they have been keep calm while being fully informed?

      http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110504p2a00m0na005000c.html
      earlier report
      http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110504004563.htm

      What can farmers and others do to deal with soil problems?

      http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110422004322.htm
      http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/editorial/T110412005529.htm
      pdf on dealing with salt in soil
      http://www.fao.org/ag/tsunami/docs/saltwater-guide.pdf

      Is farming and other industry impacting farming regulated by the right people?
      http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/68-elite-bureaucrats-land-power-company-jobs-over-50-yrs

    2. Re:I thought this was a good idea.. by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or "what should we plant". I can see it now. Survey says:

      • 42% — pot
      • 25% — corn
      • 15% — rice
      • 13% — ragweed
      • 5% — [name of unpopular local politician]
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    3. Re:I thought this was a good idea.. by c0lo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      30 pounds times 10,000 participants is 300,000 GBP a year on subscription fees alone. That should help a lot.

      If I'm not seeing that my suggestions are set in practice (but overridden by the majority), why would I pay for it? Isn't the "Virtual Farmville" good enough, as it doesn't required any money, etc?
      If I'm seeing the results of my decision set in practice and succeeding... I'd ask for my share and be quite disappointed if I don't get it. After all, this is how the "virtual Farmville" tough me to expect - some gold, the more the merrier even if it is "virtual gold".
      If I'm seeing the results of my decision set in practice and failing... not very satisfying for a game. Should I pay for it?

      Or are you saying that this is actually a scam to finance a farming operation?
      Or some sort of a reality show in which the agro-business is put 24/7 on display in to be delivered in daily installments (some sort of "Big brother" with pigs, cows and veggies and other crops) - if so, where's the fun?

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    4. Re:I thought this was a good idea.. by testadicazzo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I find it dismal how effectively you, and others in this thread have been brainwashed with anti-democratic sentiment.

      You mean: weed-out the un-educated (in the subject of agri-business)? Weed them out and the experiment is pointless.

      Here, in the case of running a farm, it makes a certain amount of sense to value experience, and education in farming. A great many people however would characterize farmers as being uneducated in a broad sense. Still, an "uneducated" farmer will likely make better farming decisions than your average physicist, lawyer, doctor, political scientist, computer programmer, etc etc.

      On the other hand, considering there is a buy into the program, it might be reasonable to assume that only people with an interest in farming will take place. In that case they might take the effort to educate themselves into the real life consequences. In such a situation crowd sourcing might be effective.

      One failure you make in thinking is your unquestioned assumption that educated people make better decisions than uneducated people. In the case of farming, a good farmer will probably make better decisions than a non-farmer, but from your language it's clear that you have an elitist, anti-democracy attitude which I would like to attempt to disabuse.

      Consider for example the jelly bean experiment. If you take a jar of jelly beans and ask people to guess the number of jelly beans in the jar, the average guess will converge toward the actual number of jelly beans in the jar. The more people participating in the experiment the better. You won't get a better distribution by restricting yourself to people with PhD's.

      Your elitist attitudes also require you to neglect the fact of association bias. Individuals who are successful within a given society, who have the largest share in the bounty of that society, tend to associate themselves most with that society, and are most inclined to support whatever policies, however idiotic and injust. A clear example from our own history is support for the Vietnam war, which was very strong among educated elites. The "uneducated" masses however were strongly against America's mass bombing of poor agrarians in a small country that never did us no harm. The "educated" elite bought into the Gulf of Tonkin incident and turned into bloodthirsty savages willing to blast poor farmers who wanted nothing more than to get rid of colonialist oppression (much as we had done some 175 years earlier). The "uneducated" masses were mistrustful and thought it was all a line of bullshit. The "uneducated" masses in America were educated to the fact that the really elite in our country were thinking only of their own selfish and short sighted interests, while the "educated" were trained in sophisticated methods of rationalization to excuse a foolish and evil misadventure. This trend applies quite generally, to our invasion of the bay of pigs, the Afghan war, the Iraq wars, the civil rights movement, etc. It's not unique to American culture either. It's a pretty uniform trend. The high ranking Nazis were typically very well educated, for example, and look how that turned out.

      It is telling and ironic that you ridicule the fact that the single highest issue in the United States, when the government asked for reform ideas, was the repeal of Marijuanna prohibition. Legalizing drugs in general was of course discussed, but ending all drug prohibition across the board remains a fringe issue and was nowhere near the top. Ending Marijuanna prohibition and replacing it with a system of taxation and regulation similar to what we do with Tobacco was however right at the top, by far in the number one place. This is yet another example of where American policy would benefit from more democratic processes. The current system of Marijuanna prohibition is completely retarded and does not serve the interests of anyone besides the law enforcement community, paramilitaries, and of course the illegal drug cartels. Eve

    5. Re:I thought this was a good idea.. by timbo234 · · Score: 2

      The UK petitions aren't really that bad, this is the list sorted by how many signatures they got:
      http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/list/closed?sort=signers

      The most popular is scrapping the vehicle tracking/road pricing scheme, which AFAIK has now been scrapped.

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    6. Re:I thought this was a good idea.. by mcvos · · Score: 2

      I'm not so sure. I think those hippies are likely to vote against standard farm practices (which are pretty destructive, at least where I live).

    7. Re:I thought this was a good idea.. by Vectormatic · · Score: 2

      No, playing a game where your input may or may not at all be linked to what happens is not fun.

      one of the reasons why i dislike online games (except for with friends), in general other people online tend to mess up your experience. AI bots written by the developer are at least well behaved enough to somewhat conform to the game setting

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  5. "Real Life"? by Gamer_2k4 · · Score: 2

    Um...isn't real life Farmville...a farm?

    You know, like real life Simcity would be (wait for it) a city.

  6. Re:My brain... by Surt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why should that be anything but a fringe function? It's like asking if they've never plowed their own wheat, written their own operating system, or installed their own plumbing and electricity. The complexity of our civilization requires specialization.

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  7. Re:My brain... by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And many children think milk comes from factories, not cows. Particularly those living in cities.

    Western societies have it worse than Asian. Well, sort of. In China many restaurants have their food on display: various birds, snakes, fish and other sea animals, turtles, sometimes even dogs and cats.You point out which animal you want and they'll cook it for you. Killing if you prefer can be done under your watch.

    Markets here often have large parts of cows, pigs and other large animals hanging on display. Such as complete rib cases, lungs, and tails (with the skin and hair in place preferably). The heads too. It doesn't need much fantasy to see which part of the animal it was.

    Fowl like pigeons, ducks and chickens are also sold alive (though in Hong Kong at least that's quickly disappearing over bird flu fears). You choose the animal, hands-on if you like, the shop keeper will slaughter it while you're waiting. Fish, seafood and turtles are also routinely sold alive. I have had a dead fish jump off the kitchen sink an hour or so after being killed and gutted... that scared us mainly because the movement was so sudden and unexpected. A dead fish still jumping in the bag I've had quite often.

    In the west indeed there is not much left of the original shape of the animal - many people dislike the idea of seeing what animal it used to be. You won't see a row of pig's heads in the butcher's display, for example. Fish is commonly sold dead, preferably sliced or processed as fish fingers or so. The head is typically tossed out, while the Chinese consider that the best part of the fish. Once when I cooked fish complete with head and tail a friend commented "I don't like my dinner to be watching me!".

    So all in all, yes you're totally right. Most people don't know where their food comes from. They wouldn't know how a potato plant looks like (OK that's a non-obvious one). They may recognise corn plants, when grown full.

    Knowing where one's food comes from is good I think. Makes people think more about their planet, the value of a clean environment, and how all that dirt we spew out in the air comes back to haunt them quite directly. Health is related to food: you are what you eat, and when you eat dirt, well that can't be too healthy either. And even if just 10,000 people can join a project like this may well generate a lot more general interest. Curious to see how it's going to play out.

  8. Re:My brain... by WhiteDragon · · Score: 2

    it hurts with the stupid.

    Oh to hell with it. Have we fallen so far as a civilization that people no longer know where their food comes from? Have never seen butchering and slaughtering done? Have never killed an animal themselves, skinned, cleaned, and done their own cuts. I can probably answer myself too. Yes to all of the above.

    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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  9. Re:My brain... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    No they're skills that will make or break you getting to the post-apocalyptic bit. But being a realist, I don't believe we'll be heading to that point in my lifetime.

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  10. Re:My brain... by Grizzley9 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think everyone should see this at least once: http://vimeo.com/22077752 Shows how proper butchering is done and where our food comes from.