Anonymous Under Civil War?

Stoobalou writes "Civil war appears to have broken out in the ranks of headless 'hacktivist' collective Anonymous, with claims that a rogue admin has seized control of two key sites used to coordinate the loose-knit group's online direct action. The news follows speculation that a breakaway group of Anonymous members was responsible for the hacking attacks on Sony's PlayStation Network and Online Entertainment Network, which saw personal information, including credit card details, stolen from as many as 100 million users' accounts."

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For those more interested

[Dunbal]

Here is a video that explains Anonymous, its structure, and its political goals.

Re:It was only a matter of time

[smelch]

How the fuck is this informative? This is more inane babble that contradicts reality in favor of stupid bullshit platitudes.

everyone is anonymous and anonymous is everyone

Sure, if you're a retard. In the real world where presumably you are capable of not being an intentional intellectual midget, you will be able to see that the people refered to as Anonymous are a tangible, real set of people that may change over time, but are definable. Anonymous has a creed, a culture and hang outs, as well as informal leaders. People who frequent certain websites, subscribe to the creed, and are a part of the culture can therefore be called Anonymous and can be classified like you would classify a group. Think "Americans". People don't jump in to every conversation where the word "Americans" was used when not referring to government action, and say "American's aren't a group. Anybody can be an American, all they have to do is live in America and call themselves American, so please stop saying things like 'American's not ready for the electric car.' It shows how you just don't get the melting pot concept."

You could easily say that neo-nazis are under civil war when two groups who are independant begin stabbing each other. There is no centralized structure, anybody can call themselves a neo-nazi. Explain to me how they're different. Oh, they're not. Internet douchebags just like to feel deep.

Re:Dissension always points to government invovlem

[circletimessquare]

the usa has an agenda, like any other country. like any other group of citizens within a country. when the agenda of a group within a country at civil war lines up with the agenda of a foreign country, then funding follows. this was also true for the ussr in the cold war in latin america, but i don't see you talking about that, interestingly enough. its also still true today, around the world, for the usa, china, russia, india, etc.: countries mess with each other's internal affairs. even, and especially, within latin america. always has been true, is still true, always will be true. yet you only wish to focus on the usa doing this?

so in the end, your thinking points to two cognitive failures on your part:

1. the inability to see that there are other countries in the world that mess around with the internal affairs of others

its not the exclusive domain of the usa to do these things. it reveals you have a grudge, an obsession, not a valid global point of view or valid set of principles. maybe you think you have a set of principles, but currently your words boil down to "i don't like the usa." actually, it's fine not to like the usa, the usa has done plenty of things to dislike. however, you need to admit to yourself that you aren't motivated by justice or morality, you are only motivated by typical, story-as-old-as-time tribal chest thumping turf wars. because you won't condemn the other players in the world on the basis of your self-stated principles, you will only condemn the usa. you don't have to pick sides you know. it is actually logically coherent to condemn the usa AND europe AND iran AND china, all at the same time, for example. in fact, if you are motivated by principles and not empty tribal chest thumping, condemning all countries is in fact your only logically coherent line of thought

2. the inability to see that a country at war with itself is composed of organic citizens of that country that actually believe in a point of view that is the organic creation of those people

in other words, if the usa never existed in the first place, then those people fighting for their point of view (that the usa happens to, secondarily, support), they would still exist. by saying that these people wouldn't exist without the existence of the usa is very patronizing and condescending of you: that people outside the usa can't have their own motivations, their own self-realized ideas. to you, they can only be robotic puppets of some imaginary american overlord. for example: al qaeda. the usa gave it funding once. therefore, so goes the moron's reasoning, everything bad al qaeda does is the usa's fault. nevermind that al qaeda is motivated by things that has nothing to do with the usa, but has to do with their twisted view of islam and recreating the medieval caliphate. and that al qaeda has more enemies of this bizarre goal other than the usa, and if the usa never existed, al qaeda would be fighting those other enemies (and in fact, are fighting other enemies besides the usa). and nevermind that the usa was only a temporary ally in the cold war fight against the ussr. no, to you, only the usa can be a source of motivating ideas. everyone else in the world is a derivative reflection of what the usa thinks, for or against, never human beings with their own original thoughts and ideas. how fucking retarded and, frankly, racist of you

pure intellectual and logical fail on your part: you don't understand the world as a set of three dimensional players, you understand the world as only one player: the usa, and everyone else, friend and foe, only act because the usa caused them to do something. in your worldview, only the usa is a responsible player, everyone else, friend and foe, is just reacting. what a dimwitted, condescending way to view your fellow human beings. your anti-americanism has infected and destroyed your ability to perceive human beings and the world at large, your dimwitted mind only see shades of americanism and anti-americanism. you're a hyper-obsessed moron. that's not a baseless insult. that's an objective appraisal of your reasoning abilities