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Global Warming To Hinder Wi-Fi Signals, Claims UK Gov't

radioweather writes with news of a government report from the UK's Dept. for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs which warns of global warming's harmful effect on Wi-Fi and other communication protocols. Quoting the Guardian: "Presenting the report, the secretary of state for the environment, Caroline Spelman, said that higher temperatures can reduce the range of wireless communications, rainstorms can impact the reliability of the signal, and drier summers and wetter winters may cause greater subsidence, damaging masts and underground cables. The threat posed by climate change to internet and telephone access is a rare example of when the developed world would be hit harder than developing countries, which are in general more at risk from increased floods, droughts and rising sea levels. 'If climate change threatens the quality of your signal, or you can't get it because of extreme fluctuations in temperature, then you will be disadvantaged, which is why we must address the question,' said Spelman, 'and just imagine in the height of an emergency if the communications system is down or adversely affected.'"

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  1. UK Government Hinders WiFi by gavron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The UK Government and it's insipid reports hinders WiFi.

    E

    1. Re:UK Government Hinders WiFi by mrphoton · · Score: 4, Funny

      no they are right, I just tested it out with the aid of my bath. My wi-fi router does not work under water.

    2. Re:UK Government Hinders WiFi by matrim99 · · Score: 2

      With the higher temperatures causing more people to bathe and increasing rainfall causing more people to use bathtubs as boats, an economic and societal crisis looms within the bathtub manufacturing industry. "The current bathtub manufacturing capacity simply cannot provide enough new bathtubs to satisfy demand in 30 years", an industry insider stated. No solution is in sight.
      Back to you, Kate.

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    3. Re:UK Government Hinders WiFi by rgbatduke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, global warming is real. No, it isn't bad enough to justify anything other than slight caution.

      It's worth noting that the twentieth century was one of the four most active centuries in the history of the holocene for Mr. Sun, too. In fact, solar cycles 21 and 22 were grand maxima, and 23 was still quite large.

      Solar cycle 24, OTOH, looks like it could be the lowest one in over a century, although it has pepped up a bit in the last two months. At the moment, the global temperature anomaly is 0.1C BELOW the thirty year running mean (and has been for a couple of months now). So yes, global warming is real, but it is entirely possible that its cause is, and has been in the past, the Sun. Not CO_2.

      And real or not -- asserting that it will affect Wi-Fi range simply shows that either somebody dumped lysergic acid into their beer or that there are, quite literally, no limits to the sensationalist lies that people will tell to try to convince people that this particular piece of the sky is falling. Especially when what they should be fearing is the end of the Holocene, or just a simple Maunder minimum. Warm weather is good. Plants grow. People eat. A year without a summer, such as 1816 (Dalton minimum heterodynes with volcanic activity) could kill a hundred million people in a year.

      rgb

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    4. Re:UK Government Hinders WiFi by Coriolis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At the moment, the global temperature anomaly is 0.1C BELOW the thirty year running mean (and has been for a couple of months.

      Analysing a thirty-year running mean on the timescale of months is statistical nonsense.

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    5. Re:UK Government Hinders WiFi by Arlet · · Score: 2

      Don't kill the messenger. The graphs from that website are properly referenced. If you have problems with the data shown in the graphs, explain why the source has it wrong, and show better data.

      And if it's more complex, please show your complex calculations how 40 years stable cosmic rays can cause 40 years of warming.

      It's not very scientific to say: "we don't know, therefore it is unlikely to be CO2". In fact, based on all the measurements and understanding, it's very likely to be CO2. Maybe there's a 5% chance it's something else.

      If you visit 20 specialists, and 19 of them are saying you have lung cancer, and 1 says you don't, do you just keep smoking ?

    6. Re:UK Government Hinders WiFi by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I guess you didn't read TFA so I will point out for you that they are claiming that heavy rain and high pressure affects the signal and that things like mudslides and floods can damage infrastructure.

      Both of these things are true. My TV signal degrades in high pressure and rain, as does my mobile phone signal. Admittedly I have not tested wifi but others have. Some villages rely on wifi for broadband access, as do many schools and universities with multiple buildings on campus. There was a story on /. a day or two ago advocating wifi as a replacement for a wired LAN.

      I don't think I need to explain how a torrent of mud or water has a negative affect on electronic equipment like phone poles or cable TV cabinets, not to mention buried cables.

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  2. To say nothing of the fact that by rossdee · · Score: 2

    global warming will disrupt the economy, and people won't be able to afford internet or phone service

    1. Re:To say nothing of the fact that by jcr · · Score: 3, Funny

      It will do far more damage to Tokyo, when it wakes up Godzilla.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:To say nothing of the fact that by L0rdJedi · · Score: 2

      It costs alot of money to recover from a horrible recession like the one Republicans caused.

      When you find yourself in debt, you do not spend more money to get out of debt. You cut spending. Period. It doesn't matter if it's on a personal level or a national level. If you could spend your way to prosperity, everyone would be doing it and the world would be filled with billionaires.

  3. Wow by kpainter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These guys must have some really good drugs.

  4. Scraping the bottom of the barrel by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They really are getting desperate, aren't they?

    BTW, wasn't Britain supposed to get drier winters with no snow because of 'global warming', not wetter ones? When did that change?

    1. Re:Scraping the bottom of the barrel by JDAustin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sea levels have risen and sea levels have fallen in the past.

      Its just civilization has now cropped up and made these changes inconvenient. It used to be that man would migrate if his surroundings became inhospitable. Now they just try and control nature.

    2. Re:Scraping the bottom of the barrel by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I may have missed something, but are you saying manmade climate change isn't happening?

      Considering that they can't even decide whether 'manmade climate change' would cause drier winters or wetter winters, I think the answer is an obvious yes.

    3. Re:Scraping the bottom of the barrel by CapOblivious2010 · · Score: 2

      It used to be that man would migrate if his surroundings became inhospitable. Now they just try and control nature.

      They??? Are you not one of us? If not, WTF are you?

    4. Re:Scraping the bottom of the barrel by similar_name · · Score: 4, Informative

      BTW, wasn't Britain supposed to get drier winters with no snow because of 'global warming', not wetter ones? When did that change?

      citation needed

    5. Re:Scraping the bottom of the barrel by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Climate is always changing. It has been warmer, it has been cooler. It has been wetter, it has been drier. The issue is how much can we blame on CO2 verses everything else, like the sun solar cycle.

      Or like the one guy I heard recently talking about the tides affecting low lying areas of Japan ... trying to blame it on Global Warming and not the HUGE EARTHQUAKE the dropped the island a few feet. It is freakin religion to some of these idiots.

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    6. Re:Scraping the bottom of the barrel by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry, I can't hear you for all the UN-predicted climate refugees over here :)

    7. Re:Scraping the bottom of the barrel by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      That meme is even stupider that this report. You do know what the CC in IPCC stands for, right? If anyone tried to change the nomeculture it was Frank Luntz who was advising the Bush admin on strategies to play down the treat of AGW.

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    8. Re:Scraping the bottom of the barrel by jc42 · · Score: 2

      Considering that they can't even decide whether 'manmade climate change' would cause drier winters or wetter winters, ...

      Or maybe it's both. Adding energy to a system (turning up the heat) tends to make for wider excursions around the "norm". Some areas may have drier winters, others wetter winters.

      The only problem is that there's only one way to find out - and we're all test subjects.

      Actually, the mistake is believing that the climateologists "can't even decide". In fact, the climate models have long predicted such opposite changes in many parts of the world. For example, the models have been saying for some time that in the US, the southwest will be getting drier (in the winter; the summers are already very dry), while the northeast will be getting wetter. We now have a couple of decades more data saying that that's exactly what has happened.

      Will it keep changing that way? The models do seem to say "Yes", but of course, they could all be wrong. But if you have to make a bet, who would you listen to? The guys who says "It can't last"? Or the guys (and their models) who who have been right for a couple of decades now?

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  5. Never mind by dmiller · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Never mind the millions displaced by rising sea levels or changed rainfall patterns effecting their crops, we might lose a few bars of wifi reception!

  6. Greentards will say anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And so will corporate interests. Too bad we can't get anyone moderate to talk about this. Either we're all already dead, or everything is great. As long as those are the only two choices, nothing worthwhile will be accomplished. *sigh*

    1. Re:Greentards will say anything by couchslug · · Score: 2

      "Either we're all already dead, or everything is great. "

      The two are not mutually exclusive. Gaia will cleanse herself.
      8-P

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    2. Re:Greentards will say anything by bryan1945 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is an interesting statement. When we (the collective we) hear "We're all doomed," we assume if all humans die, well, everything just stops. How many global-level extinctions have there been, 4? If we are screwing up the biosphere, and we go kaput, seems like we deserve it. The earth won't really care that much. Bring on the crab people!

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  7. WiFi works in: by xMrFishx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...countries that are hotter (Southern Europe), Wetter (Hong Kong), Colder (Sweden), Dryer (Greece) and more legally obtuse (USA) than the UK. I think we'll be fine. FUD off.

  8. This is just retarded by Dartz-IRL · · Score: 3

    Subject says it all. I honestly can't comment further. The fail is strong with these morons.

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  9. In your apartment? by saikou · · Score: 2

    Sure, as soon as you get global warming effects in the form of floods or snow or drought in your apartment, your WiFi coverage will suffer tremendously :(
    Frankly, when the roof is missing, people tend not to get too upset about bad WiFi reception.

    For normal outside activities just use cell 3G/4G signal :)

  10. Inception by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Global warming will disrupt living conditions worldwide, and people won't be around to have an economy that won't be able to afford internet or phone service.

    1. Re:Inception by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Global warming will come and go, just like every other supposed crisis which is solved as soon as technology brings us to the tipping point of financial advantage.

  11. Oh jeez. by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes rain and snow attenuates radio waves. But not by a huge amount. The human race would likely go extinct from Heat stroke before anybody noticed any real decline in WiFi connectivity. This article smacks of "the sky is falling" fearmongering. Like this:

    "On March 20, 2000, The Independent, a British newspaper, reported that the Dr. David Viner of the UK's Climate Research Unit warning within a few years snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event." Indeed, Viner opined, "Children just aren't going to know what snow is." Similarly, David Parker, at the UK's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research, said that eventually British children could have only "virtual" experience of snow via movies and the Internet.

    "The Union of Concerned Scientists opined confidently in 2004 scientists claim winters were becoming warmer and less snowy. In 2008, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. bemoaned that children would be robbed of the childhood joys of sledding and skiing in the DC area due to global warming. A year later, the area set a new seasonal snowfall record with 5 to 6 feet of snow and sleds and skis were the only way to get around." http://www.nipccreport.org/articles/2011/apr/13apr2011a3.html

    If the models can not predict snowfall, how can they be counted-upon to predict anything else in future weather?

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  12. Huh. Wifi has always worked fine in southern US by sandytaru · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wifi was working just great in Tuscaloosa, AL until the tornadoes hit. At that point, they had bigger problems. It's still working fine in NE Georgia where I live, when 100F+ temperatures are the norm in the summer. In fact, whenever our signal degraded, it was because a squirrel had chewed through an outside line, not because it was too hot or humid. I think TFA is missing the elephant in the room here.

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  13. She also pointed out... by beefmusta · · Score: 2

    ...that houses with television antennas are at greater risk of lightning strikes. This is a rare example of when the developed world would be hit harder than developing countries. If climate change threatens the quality of your television signal, then you will be disadvantaged, which is why we must address the question.

  14. Near the end of the hype? by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this is the best "DOOM!" Climate Change story the legacy media can whip up today maybe we are near the end of the scare.

    Then we who are sane can set about purging the defilers from the temples of Science! and setting it to rights.

    Climate Change can't possibly be science, it fails one of the most basic tenets in that it isn't falsifiable. Try it if you doubt, ask a True Believer masquarading as a scientist what test could falsify their theory. There isn't one. IT gets warmer, Global Warming. Cooler? Climate Change. Drier? Wetter? More ice? Less ice? More clouds? Less clouds? And so on. All data lead the Warmist to the exact same conclusions and more importantly the exact same policy prescriptions. And of course a real scientist wouldn't dare propose policy on such a complex question in the knowledge of his ignorance of too many other fields.

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    1. Re:Near the end of the hype? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

      GW would be easily falsified by a statistically significant (i.e. long) period of temperatures going down that could not be explained by some other clearly observing and temporary phenomenon. So far we haven't seen such a thing.

  15. The awesome power of Global Warming by geekpowa · · Score: 2

    Not least it's ability to make seemingly educated adults believe absurd things, like this article or that the end of civilisation as we know will occur in their life time. (Who else believed that the end of days was going to occur within the span of their natural life?).

    If only there was a way we could harness this awesome power... and use it to fuel our civilisation. Go beyond fossil fuel with global warming power. There is no problem it can't create.

  16. Global Dimming by Drew+M. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we're so worried about global warming just counteract it by increasing global dimming:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

  17. what a breath of hot air... by sribe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, if hot air really can interfere with WiFi, perhaps shutting these guys up would be a first good step.

  18. Whoopsie! by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Sounds like someone bought the "Global Warming" excuse from their local IT department! *tears a page off the excuse calendar*

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  19. Operational lifetime... by scorp1us · · Score: 2

    So Global Warming is supposed to take place over centuries.
    The operational lifetime of WiFi equipment is 10 years at best. (Anyone still using just 802.11b?) We wouldn't develop new standards and better equipment to deal with the environment?

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  20. Re:its for the kids by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

    It's very simple, and not at all alarmist.

    Signal propagation depends on temperature and humidity. It is possible to design a wireless network around a minimum number of antennas by taking the current climate into account. If you do so, and if the local climate warms, the optimum network may change, and you may have problems.

    The paragraph is not trying to scare people into "Saving the Climate to Save WiFi" It's trying to warn the people who employ network engineers to have the calculations rerun, so that when the climate warms, the networks will remain fully functional.

  21. GW affects WiFi in UK? by KhabaLox · · Score: 3, Funny

    Luckily I live in the US where the science isn't settled on Global Warming.

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  22. "just imagine in the height of an emergency ..." by jc42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    just imagine in the height of an emergency if the communications system is down or adversely affected.

    Um, it's not at all difficult to imagine this, especially if you've ever been involved in disaster relief. Until very recently, the communication systems were one of the first things to fail during most disasters of any sort. Wires are fragile things when faced with the actions of Ma Nature or a military force. This is why, back when (D)ARPA started the work that led to the Internet, almost all the diagrams showed a wireless comm system. It doesn't work too well to connect ships or jet fighters via cables. And even for ground installations, cutting the wires is the first thing that any enemy will do. The commercial world has dragged their feet tremendously, blocking the development of a real, universal wireless system at every stage. Our current cell-phone system is crippled by the lockings and licensing that makes it refuse to do most things we'd like it to do. The wi-fi system is mostly locked down by a hokey "security" system that doesn't much interfere with military decoding, but does prevent most civilians from using the system in over 99% of the US.

    And we've just barely made a dent in this problem. It's possible to have trucks (or boats) full of generators and wireless comm gear at the scene in a short time. But this usually takes much longer than it should, due to poor planning, plus active interference from the authorities on the scene.

    Our comm system is barely functional in small-scale emergencies much larger than an auto accident. In real disasters, such as Katrina, the comm system simply collapses and takes weeks to come back online.

    There's also the example that would be funny if it weren't for all the deaths involved: The collapse in New York of the World Trade Center nearly a decade ago also crippled Manhattan's communication system. The idiots who built the system's infrastructure (mostly the phone company) had run most of the cables for the southern half of the island under the WTC. And they hadn't built redundancy, so there was usually only one path between two specific points. The ARPA people back in the 1960s would have been apalled. People in 2001 who'd been working on the Internet were apalled. There was a lot of discussion of this in any number of comm forums. Reports are that the situation is nearly as bad today. The comm companies see no need to waste money on redundancy (and in fact over-subscribe most of their capacity when they can). And the government agencies are controlled by people who don't believe in "government regulation".

    It's interesting to contemplate the idea that someone actually thought we had a comm system that works during major emergency or disaster situations. I wonder who wrote that line, and what their experience in emergency work is.

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  23. Re:its for the kids by ichthus · · Score: 2

    Signal propagation depends on temperature and humidity.

    Both of which may change (even drastically) on an hourly basis. Where I live, we have four distinct seasons, with temperatures possibly ranging between several degrees below zero C to a few degrees above 40. Hell, in on day we can have well over 15 degrees of variation. Humidity fluctuates as well.

    The point is, any wireless network where performance is based heavily on these wildly changing variables is a fragile, poorly-performing one. And thus, this article is, in easily demonstrable fact, alarmist.

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  24. Re:its for the kids by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

    Optimum: Most coverage for least cost.