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Space Shuttle Endeavour Blasts Off On Final Flight

Velcroman1 writes "Space shuttle Endeavour rocketed into space Monday morning from Kennedy Space Center, led by mission commander Mark Kelly on the final mission for the youngest vehicle in the space fleet. Over 6 million pounds of thrust from the shuttle's rocket booster carried Endeavour into orbit, at speeds of up to 19,000 miles per hour, for an expected meeting with the International Space Station on Wednesday. 'It's incredible how you can see this machine hurled into space like the fastest fastball ever thrown, going to Mach 25 — 25 times the speed of sound — and it's an incredible race to orbit,' former NASA astronaut Tom Jones said. 'It's one of the greatest physical sensations an human can experience,' he added."

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  1. First... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's design an open-source reusable spacecraft which can reach orbit.

    Second...

    Let's implement the space elevator, allowing materials and people to get to orbit cheaply.

    Third...

    Build a spacecraft on an unprecedented scale, in-orbit, using the space elevator. Use that to expand physics research and propulsion systems.

    Fourth...

    Star Trek...

    And you all thought that was gonna say "Post". Haha.

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    1. Re:First... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Furthermore Susan, I can definitely see a thread developing here where the consensus is that the most successful world possible is one where random joes show up to crowdsource the construction of a much better space vessel from reclaimed scrap, all controlled by open-source systems running Linux on netbooks.

    2. Re:First... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 0

      +10000 Insightful.

      The mods HAVE worked themselves out, and my original post is now at +4, but I've been punished for my rant!

      Thanks. And sorry, everyone.

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    3. Re:First... by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Build a spacecraft on an unprecedented scale, in-orbit...

      We could build it from all the space junk that's out there.. The ultimate dumpster dive!

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    4. Re:First... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      How did you know where I was going with this?

      The only thing you've got wrong is the netbooks; we only need recycled 286 laptops running DamnSmallLinux and a bunch of A/D and D/A convertors to control the vehicle! ;-P

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    5. Re:First... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      Now that's what I call offtopic... lol

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    6. Re:First... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And shell scripts. Don't forget that any software project can be easily be implemented by Slashdotters using a few bash scripts chained together.

    7. Re:First... by kestasjk · · Score: 0

      Fifth...

      Cure cancer with open source and bring about world peace with organic farming.

      Sixth...

      Some chick like totally gives me a BJ for all my awesome ideas.

      Seventh...

      I secure the funds and bright minds and navigate the politics to get these obnoxiously presented ideas actually done.


      Good luck webmistressrachel ! Keep us posted on your progress!

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    8. Re:First... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      This is all well and good, but shell scripts don't have the geek-panache needed to make this sound both cool, and like an idea that would turn someone into the world's richest man if anyone could just be bothered to implement it.

      We need a mention of Ruby on Rails and to propose that Natalie Portman be included on the crew for the maiden voyage of Whedon-2517. Then we have geekstered up enough.

    9. Re:First... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know what, if capitalism and greed weren't the norm, we could implement those ideas too. (except the BJ. But if you help me, I might help you...)

      There really is enough material resources and labour to do those things, but at the moment they're feeding the top 1% of society instead of advancing technology. The space program hasn't evolved at all since the 80's, the zero-g science we were promised from the ISS has only just started, and we're all head-over-heels about two neverending wars that only happened due to Bush's family's greed.

      The biggest problem for people like me is apathetic people like you, who lazily make sarcastic comments like this, preventing the masses from realising they CAN make a difference, and overthrowing those who shouldn't be in power, but are.

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    10. Re:First... by cplusplus · · Score: 1

      I thought you were going to say "Profit". Haha.

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    11. Re:First... by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

      Yep, you're right about the capitalism thingy. There is a problem with capitalism. You cant sustain it without basically enslaving everyone except a select few at the top. By enslave I am referring to the dollar.

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    12. Re:First... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Let's implement the space elevator, allowing materials and people to get to orbit cheaply.

      I guess I'm late to the game, but a space elevator just doesn't seem incredibly useful. Even if you mitigate the huge risk of LEO debris cutting the tether, all it's good for is delivering payloads to either one spot on geosynchronous orbit, or beyond that orbit. Deploying to any other (i.e. useful) orbit requires the use of a reaction-mass-based payload assist module, whose exhaust will necessarily be aimed right at the tether, to get the needed d(theta)/dt to establish a stable orbit. If you just went up and let go, your payload would simply fall down. Remember, gravity still exerts over 9 m/s^2 at LEO.

    13. Re:First... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      Thank you, that's interesting. I figured that it would provide a practical method for getting bulky stuff up there, since most of the fuel used in current missions is that used to break out of the gravity well.

      I'm not perfect, and my post might have been a little idealistic in hindsight.

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    14. Re:First... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Space shuttle SRBs produce 82% of the lift of the shuttle and cost $40 million each. Let's get that contractor to restart the line and make a couple dozen for that project. Who's with me? All we need is 30% of the world's population to donate $1 to the cause.

    15. Re:First... by kestasjk · · Score: 2

      I'm not apathetic; I find it laughable and counterproductive that people like you come along and spew out a bunch of wild ideas with no plan or research to back them up, no motivation to make it happen, but rather just coming along and asking "why hasn't someone else made this happened yet? Oh it must be because of that one person who most people agree did a bad job."

      What about the economics of it, what about the ROI of a space elevator, what materials will it be made out of, what is the timeline, could the money be better used elsewhere, if it's profitable why hasn't private enterprise done it, what the hell do you know about space engineering?
      None of these questions do you want the answers to, because it's much more fun to sit around, whine, and post a list of massive projects as if it's some kind of plan or original thinking.

      As for "overthrowing those who shouldn't be in power" .. go for it.. Fight the power webmistressrachel!

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    16. Re:First... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      "cost $40 million each"

      Duh, you thicko! Don't you know how inflated stuff sold to NASA and military has been? It's even joked about in films - try Independence Day for size!

      We need to change the system we operate the world under, and then we can have the progress we want. Thanks, gov't shill! x

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    17. Re:First... by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Capitalism is not the enemy of progress. It is what creates the surpluses that make spending on progress possible. Nobody is going to spend money on a space elevator if they are worried about having enough food to make it through the winter.

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    18. Re:First... by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      Protip: If slashdot wants women to stay around, you can't condescend on them for impractical ideas. She was just trying, much more than most women. Something like, "that's a cool idea! Here is some reading about those things". Then she can find out on her own.

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    19. Re:First... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's design an open-source reusable spacecraft

      Let's not give a shit because let's face it, no one who can launch a space craft actually cares about its design being "open source" or not.

    20. Re:First... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except the BJ. But if you help me, I might help you...

      No offense, but no thanks. I prefer my women to have been born that way.

    21. Re:First... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you gotta calm down. We're geting there. These things take time. You can't expect it's going to be done by the end of the year.

      Why do mods have a knack for modding the dumbest comments up? What is so interesting about the obvious?

    22. Re:First... by tokul · · Score: 1

      Let's implement the space elevator, allowing materials and people to get to orbit cheaply.

      If you want to move 10 tons of stuff 100 kilometers, you need energy. Lots of energy. If you want to do it safe, you will need protection and more energy for hurling protection together with protected content. Cheap, safe and big enough to matter. You can choose two out of three.

    23. Re:First... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      NASA astronaut Tom Jones said. 'It's one of the greatest physical sensations an human can experience,' he added."

      Wow, ok. Poor thing must be circumcised...

    24. Re:First... by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1

      First...

      Matter replication/transmission technology

      Second...

      Are you still reading this?

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    25. Re:First... by Skater · · Score: 2

      First, I've been wondering, what is the difference is between a "tip" and a "protip"?

      On topic, though: kestasjk wasn't condescending at all. He or she was right on target. It's easy to sit on Slashdot and say what should be done. Much harder to actually accomplish something and do it. It's like writing a letter to the editor - it makes you feel like you've accomplished something, but precisely WHAT have you accomplished?

    26. Re:First... by fritsd · · Score: 1

      Second is the very light autofactory we send by starship to build the receiving side matter transmission station, obviously :-)

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    27. Re:First... by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Why not just buy Falcon 9 launches for a little bit more, and get the entire spacecraft AND operations?

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    28. Re:First... by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      Congrats, I think this is the most sexist post I've ever read on slashdot!

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    29. Re:First... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      That is about the most dumb capitalism-supporting comment I ever saw.

      Who's to say that the only form of society with surpluses for research is yours? If we hadn't deliberately made the Russians so paranoid, spending too much on defence and not enough on the basics whilst still researching space, I'm sure they'd be a shining example by now!

      As for us, I am worried about where the next meal comes from but still care about your damn space program, so we aren't that perfect either! Inequality is a product of capitalism, not the alternatives (there are many)

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    30. Re:First... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      You idiot, you've been trolling me since I had the balls (lol) to prove I exist and that I'm female, and you've simply decided I'm ugly so you spread lies like this every time I post.

      Your only argument was that I don't have curves, but everybody else who looked at that profile can see I damn well DO have curves, and if you must know my hip-to-waist-ratio is 0.7... you can buy boobs (Pamela, I'm looking at you!) but you can't buy hips and waist, so lay this one to rest NOW.

      www.tagged.com/rachelwilsonattagged, sign up and look at them al before you judge my ugly face! Feedback please, REAL guys!

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  2. Fastest fast ball ever? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Does

    final mission for the youngest vehicle in the space fleet.hurled into space like the fastest fastball ever thrown, going to Mach 25 â" 25 times the speed of sound

    mean that this shuttle launch was actually faster than all previous launches? Or is this merely a way of saying "it's really fast".

    Is this actually a story, or an anecdote? There is no F'ing A.

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    1. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by Combatso · · Score: 1

      I want to know who threw a fastball mach 25. I mean, I think I remember bugs bunny throwing a baseball in to orbit once, but other than that.. the quote doesnt make much sense.

    2. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Made me cringe, too, I think it was written by a Luddite who fancies himself as a "writer".

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    3. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by Cytotoxic · · Score: 2

      Yeah, really bad hyperbole. As spacecraft go, low earth orbit isn't all that fast either. The folks who walked on the moon went a fair bit faster than Mach 25 (17,500 mph). And that's not even a blip on the 17 km/s that Voyager I is coasting along at. That's 163,198.8 mph for those who are metric-challenged.

      A really good fastball travels at 100mph. Using that as an analogy for something going 175 times faster is a bit inadequate. And using that as a superlative in a world where "fast" is 10x faster than your fastball....

    4. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I couldn't tell if I was reading a Slashdot article or a YouTube comment. The article needs some serious editing to turn it into English.

    5. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      That, and the speed of sound decreases with altitude (density), so Mach would increase even if velocity remained constant. I haven't done the math, but at some altitude, presumably even a 100MPH fastball could travel at Mach 25!

    6. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by tyrione · · Score: 1

      Yeah, really bad hyperbole. As spacecraft go, low earth orbit isn't all that fast either. The folks who walked on the moon went a fair bit faster than Mach 25 (17,500 mph). And that's not even a blip on the 17 km/s that Voyager I is coasting along at. That's 163,198.8 mph for those who are metric-challenged.

      A really good fastball travels at 100mph. Using that as an analogy for something going 175 times faster is a bit inadequate. And using that as a superlative in a world where "fast" is 10x faster than your fastball....

      Aint Gravity a bitch? Seriously, you're comparing apples to oranges. The amount of thrust the boosters would exert if they were outside of the Earth's low orbit would have them blasting well past the Moon or becoming an impact zone causing a new crater.

    7. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to know who threw a fastball mach 25. I mean, I think I remember bugs bunny throwing a baseball in to orbit once, but other than that.. the quote doesnt make much sense.

      Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a baseball at mach 25, but I don't think anyone's thrown one that fast.

    8. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's not even a blip on the 17 km/s that Voyager I is coasting along at. That's 163,198.8 mph for those who are metric-challenged.

      Er, no, try 38,028 mph. Even off the top of your head, you know 20 km/s == 72 000 km/h, so the answer has to be in the ballpark of 36 000 mph.

    9. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by ImABanker · · Score: 1

      Granted, but I think the writer was attempting (poorly) to celebrate the engineering marvel that is the shuttle. For me, I get it better from super-slow-mo video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2VygftZSCs

    10. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Wow, at that speed, it would only take 74,000 years to reach the nearest star system.

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    11. Re:Fastest fast ball ever? by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      Nice catch. Cut-and-paste challenged. AC has a great point, never trust your calculator, you should always have a ballpark figure in mind before hitting enter.

  3. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by Coisiche · · Score: 1

    ...maybe they thought it may well be their last meal on Earth?.

    What? These people that believe that 21st May will be The Rapture get everywhere.

  4. OK this is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No article. Quotes that finish but don't start. Sentences that start without even a capital letter. Typos all over the place. Somehow in three lines of drivel we are informed of what Mach 25 means (this is Slashdot - we know) but not much else.

    I know, I must be new here...

    1. Re:OK this is ridiculous by PPH · · Score: 1

      We just wanted readers to be certain that this is, in fact, Slashdot. And not an actual news source.

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    2. Re:OK this is ridiculous by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

      Mach 25, is that faster than the fastest ever fastball?

      Golly!

    3. Re:OK this is ridiculous by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1
    4. Re:OK this is ridiculous by e9th · · Score: 1

      The original submission was okay. Malfunctioning editor?

    5. Re:OK this is ridiculous by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Yep, and Space Shuttles are 'hurled' into space instead of using their engines.

      Also ... it's a 'race', I honestly didn't know that. I wonder who the other competitors were? Isn't space exciting!

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    6. Re:OK this is ridiculous by JockTroll · · Score: 1

      It's faster than an unladen African swallow with a rocket up its ass.

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  5. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by plover · · Score: 4, Interesting

    3 of the astronauts had lobster for breakfast, maybe they thought it may well be their last meal on Earth?

    They're off for a week or two of such gastronomic delights as freeze-dried spaghetti, freeze-dried chicken, and peanut butter in a squeeze tube. I'll forgive them for not wanting to depart on a stomach full of freeze-dried Eggo waffles.

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  6. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    Hey, the Rapture followed by global earthquakes and whatever other kinds of horseshit they are predicting should make for pretty cool viewing from the ISS, right?

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  7. Here's how it went where we were by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    "There it is!"

    "Where?"

    "Oh, it's gone."

    A few seconds later we got a glimpse through gaps in the clouds as it passed overhead, about the same time we could hear it. Hit the cloud cover right after the roll maneuver.

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    1. Re:Here's how it went where we were by jittles · · Score: 1

      I watched it from work this morning, about 120 miles away. We didn't hear it here, obviously. But, once it got above the clouds it became very visible. The haze + early morning sun made it impossible to see through the lower level of haze. Shortly after they kicked the SRBs into full blast, it again disappeared into the haze. Total viewing time was approximately 10 seconds.

      The best launch I've seen so far was a twilight launch. I went to the beach and was able to see it for a good 60 seconds. It was amazing.

    2. Re:Here's how it went where we were by Cytotoxic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My "wow, shuttle launches are amazing" moment happened during a night launch. We were listening to the radio broadcast while watching from the causeway. As they ticked off the milestones and speeds, we watched it transform into a brilliant white star slowly descending over the Atlantic Ocean. It was still well above the horizon and bright in the sky when the NASA announcer told us the shuttle was "now passing over the horn of Africa".

      That was a "wow" moment.

    3. Re:Here's how it went where we were by bipedalhominid · · Score: 2

      Yeah man, cool. I was lucky enough to see one of the last night time launches from Melbourne Beach. You could read a newspaper by the light from that shuttle and we were like what 20-30 miles away? Wait let me go all Google Earth it and get some reasonable #s about the mileage before the pedants jump on me. 40-45 miles away, Ok? We crossed the causeway down in Vero and headed North till we got to one of the more remote public beaches. Don't remember exactly which one. Smuggled our brewskies over the dunes, using the walkway, then settled in for the launch. They broadcast the NASA talk across a local radio station down there so we tuned in out little handheld radio. Everyone else had them too. You did not need any help to know when they lit the fire under that bastard cause I swear you could feel the heat. The beach lit up like an instant dawn and you could see the shuttle slowly climb towards the scanty night time clouds. They were the wispy kind that are more of a haze. The kind you would never notice unless the moon passed behind them. When that shuttle penetrated that layer of clouds they turned all pinkish and yellow from the exhaust. Needless to say, this lit up the sky even more and everyone just kind of went Wow. I still get teary eyed thinking about that night and all the money we waste on other crap like wars and incredibly full bank accounts for a select few. We should be out in space by now. I mean we got to leave eventually, why not now?

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    4. Re:Here's how it went where we were by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Vero doesn't have causeways over the Indian River Lagoon. It has two bridges the 17th street bridge http://goo.gl/maps/wT4J and the Barber Bridge http://goo.gl/maps/gPIv by Riverside park.

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    5. Re:Here's how it went where we were by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

      Everyone called them causeways when I was there.

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  8. poisoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'It's one of the greatest physical sensations an human can experience,'he added."

    I don't remember which astronaut mentioned it, but he told that it felt" a bit as a food poisoning."

    Time for the beaming up to be invented.

    1. Re:poisoning by delinear · · Score: 1

      That was probably just all the lobster he crammed pre-flight.

  9. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

    "These people" predicting that are a couple of dozen nuts following one nut leading one church. Who made the same predictions before and was wrong...

  10. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by delinear · · Score: 1

    Having said that - with the fun of going to the toilet in space, maybe they should have laid off the rich seafood and just stuck with a nice high fibre diet.

  11. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by Vectormatic · · Score: 2

    Still, they are every-frickin-where. Here in Utrecht (big city in the netherlands), there are billboards all over the train station about how the 21st is going to be judgement day and how we should call to god (including a big "the bible guarantuees it" sticker)

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  12. Race? by rossdee · · Score: 1

    "it's an incredible race to orbit,"

    Who are they racing? They were sitting around on the pad for so long its a wonder one of the commercial space tourist companies didn't beat them up there..

    1. Re:Race? by RdeCourtney · · Score: 1

      They're racing gravity... most of the time humans win, sometimes gravity wins...

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    2. Re:Race? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      You mean the commercial space tourism companies who haven't managed to field any efforts for the 50 years of manned space flight? You're right, there isn't a race. Unless you count Russians selling seats at a loss on our dime.

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    3. Re:Race? by IrquiM · · Score: 1

      Which one of the commercial space tourism companies has been trying to "field any efforts for the 50 years of manned space flight"?

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  13. English, motherfucker, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do you speak it?

    I might even be able to understand what subby was talking about if there was a FA.

  14. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by Monchanger · · Score: 1

    Who cares? Considering what space flight missions entail, lobster isn't that big of an indulgence. Getting lobster in Florida isn't hard. It's not like they were eating Russian caviar. For crying out loud, one of them just had a sandwich. This is a non-story and engaging in such speculation is as ridiculous as was the reporting.

    At just past midnight local time, I'd also hardly call it breakfast. With a 9am local launch time and assuming they wouldn't eat for at least 10 hours when the reach orbit, you'd want a decent meal- not just a light breakfast of toast and jam. If the flight doc has no problem with the choice, they can eat whatever they please.

    Personally, the thought of shellfish prior to that kind of acceleration into orbit makes me nauseous, but these guys are in far better shape.

  15. So long and thanks for all the fish by TimeElf1 · · Score: 2

    That's all she wrote till 2016 barring more budget cuts. It's the passing of a era it makes me rather sad.

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    1. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by e9th · · Score: 1

      Was STS-135 cancelled?

    2. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Illy-chan · · Score: 1

      Same... Why the government would kill such an awesome program is beyond me. Yes, I would rather go hungry if it meant I could live on the moon. Besides, we should all remember. Star Trek was when the space program was government based. Aliens was the private industry...

    3. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by StoneCrusher · · Score: 2
      "STS-335, the rescue mission that would fly only if needed to bring home the members of space shuttle Endeavour's STS-134 mission, currently the final scheduled shuttle flight. "

      http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/sep/HQ_10-222_LON_Annc.html

    4. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

      No, STS-135 (Atlantis) will fly.
      "The NASA Authorization Act of 2010 directs NASA to conduct the STS-135 mission. The Space Shuttle Program has added the mission to the manifest to prepare for a potential target launch date of June 28.

      Atlantis will carry the Raffaello multipurpose logistics module to deliver supplies, logistics and spare parts to the International Space Station."

    5. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was in FL last week (missed the shuttle by a week). Saw a lot of "coolest pad" billboards (from NASA meaning pad 39a) and almost wanted to cry. The manned space program is only 8 years younger than me (given Alan Shephard's sub-orbital flight back in '61) and I've been following it ever since. Then, I got very angry. Our so-called 'science' president ends manned flight program. 2016? Here's hoping but a government program ended can be a b*tch to get started again.

    6. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Ted Greason explains it very well:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8PlzDgFQMM

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    7. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Why the government would kill such an awesome program is beyond me.

      Uh, it's expensive and there are cheaper ways to perform the same task?

      Don't get me wrong--I'm not dissing the Shuttle. It's an impressive space vehicle. I tend to liken it to an SUV--it can go anywhere (in Low-Earth Orbit) and do anything. However, like an SUV, it's expensive to run. Using the Shuttle to deliver astronauts to ISS is like using an SUV to drop the kid off at school one block from your house. Will it perform the task? Certainly. Would it be less expensive to give the kid a bike and tell him to pedal to school? Absolutely.

      Also, most of the stuff that the Shuttle was designed to do has been replaced by other equipment. About the only thing it's useful for at this point is repairing high-value satellites (ie, Hubble) in orbit.

      Personally, I'd like to see NASA get out of Low-Earth Orbit. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Let SpaceX handle delivering people and supplies to the ISS for the United States. Let NASA do the research for trips to The Moon, Mars, etc. And, at some point, that research will benefit private companies like SpaceX so that they can take it over.

  16. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    3 of the astronauts had lobster for breakfast, maybe they thought it may well be their last meal on Earth?

    Well, it could be. And, even assuming they come back safely (which I hope they do) ... if you were about to embark on a period of time where you eat nothing but NASA engineered food out of plastic pouches ... I think you'd probably pick the tastiest things you could think of, too.

    I think it's more of a matter of enjoying the last comforts of home before you have to poop in a tube and wear diapers in your space suit. ;-)

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  17. Kunimitsu Tezuka by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Only it was a tennis ball, not a baseball... ball.

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    1. Re:Kunimitsu Tezuka by Combatso · · Score: 2

      What? I was referring to the cartoon "Hare We Go" where Bugs proves to Columbus the world is round by throwing a ball around the world.. when it returns, it has custoems stickers from all over the globe on it.

    2. Re:Kunimitsu Tezuka by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 1

      "Hare We Go" on YouTube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD6Solpy4aQ

  18. former gov.gov ventura censored everywhere now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    first they laugh at you...... not 'funny' any mre?

  19. Sometimes? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Dude. Gravity ALWAYS wins. That's the law.

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    1. Re:Sometimes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not always. After billions of year our moon hasn't fallen yet and it is even getting farther from Earth over time. It is slowly winning against gravity.

    2. Re:Sometimes? by Inschato · · Score: 1

      It's just gravity from a different direction pulling(pushing?) it away from Earth, it's still losing to gravity. You can't beat gravity. Not until we invent some sort of anti-gravity that works in some way not currently known to established science.

    3. Re:Sometimes? by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

      Yeah but the earth will call it back home one day. The moon is only allowed to get so far then it hits that "dont get out of the yard" barrier and has to come back.

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  20. Re:Waste of taxpayer $$$ by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a drop in the ocean compared to the trillions being spent on wars and CEO bonuses^W^Windustry bailouts.

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  21. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by Nimey · · Score: 1

    At least back in the Mercury through Apollo days, it was traditional for one's last meal before liftoff to be steak and eggs.

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  22. An human? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Is that something like "an hero"?

    Oh... it's FOX News. Well... that would be an explanation of sorts.

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  23. Are you sure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "an human"????

    We put a Brit into orbit on its last flight?

  24. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by c0mpliant · · Score: 1

    Same in Dublin (Ireland), I was shocked to see a poster proclaiming Judgement day is coming. At first I was excited because I'd never seen Terminator 2 in the cinema as I was too young at the time it was out. Then I realised it was religious horseshite and promptly ignored it

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  25. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    They had caviar on Mir.. They also had a fire on board at the same time.. So... no more caviar in space

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  26. High fiber is the LAST thing you want.... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fiber is largely indigestible, and comes out the other end in large amounts. That's why it is needed to maintain regularity, afterall. If you are trying to minimize the need for bowel movements, what you want is a "low residue" meal, high on protein, with little to no fiber. The protein gets digested and absorbed, leaving very little to be eliminated.

    The traditional launch day breakfast from Mercury through Apollo was always steak and eggs, specifically chosen for the reasons above.

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    1. Re:High fiber is the LAST thing you want.... by modecx · · Score: 1

      This is also the reason military MREs (meal ready to eat) have just about zero fiber content, but have a ton of calories, in sugars, protein and fat. They'll stop you up something fierce if you live on them for an extended period of time. Good news is the sugar-alcohols in the included gum can act as a laxative, if you consume enough of those in one go, so many soldiers save them for such a purpose. Fun stuff.

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  27. Showing my science love at work. by StoneCrusher · · Score: 1
  28. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

    Since they're only going to a soundstage, why would they be afraid?

    *ducks*

  29. Good luck... by MindSlap · · Score: 0

    ...and God's Speed Endeavour!!

  30. Re:Waste of taxpayer $$$ by Monchanger · · Score: 2

    As you yourself pointed out one sentence earlier- it's not called "space", but "outer space". The name means all the space outside Earth, not "emptiness". When you graduate to second grade you'll learn that Earth is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. We're already using the sun and moon to generate energy, and there's lots more stuff we can take advantage of once we develop the technology. Considering oil prices aren't dropping, it's probably a good idea not to rely on it long-term.
    One of the missions of this flight is to get the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer installed so it can be used for detecting dark matter, which is likely a key area of research necessary for any possible uses of using what's actually out there. As stupid as your rant was, this actually is a method of government trying something which may help us develop energy. You could say it's similar to oil exploration, but with more balls and brains.

    As for that idiotic political statement, NASA's funding for this mission wasn't determined by recent events. Space exploration is not responsible for the debt, nor will its de-funding solve the problem. Suggesting that taxes be used to pay for drilling reveals how little you understand government, industry and taxation. That's not the US government's job. The US government is already handing out $4B a year to these corporations and they've done nothing but stockpile. If you want more money spent on drilling, you might want to ask your friendly oil company to invest instead of hoarding money (XOM alone has over $13B cash on hand) and taking advantage of high prices (see current record profits with no equivalent uptick in R&D). Or feel free to lobby congress to nationalize the oil industry so you can complain to someone who actually listens to nutjobs.

    And "treason"? Really? You might want to look up that word in a dictionary.

  31. Home Video by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Taken by a friend of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIYVjqAd3Y

  32. Re:First... (Third and half) by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2
    Third and half...

    find a never ending source of energy to sustain life on the vessel described at point four for at least the number of millenium it will take to head it somewhere across the interstellar space. I should remind everyone the Voyager 1 and 2 probes are now at the very limit of the solar system after a 30 years journey and still emitting a radio signal sending scientific data relying on a Pu238 nuclear energy source which will be at end in about 10 years. At this time, the Voyager 1 and 2 will navigate silently forever the interstellar space at the fastest speed possible using the slingshot effect, but still 40 thousands years away from any other star in this galaxy. So, the question is: How would you sustain life into a vessel travelling interstellar space? Hence, number third and half, which has for corollary if we are to discover any mean of doing this, our energy problem here, on earth, is resolved forever.

    So, maybe it should be number 1 in the list.

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  33. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

    Funny, Judgement Day coming and all you think is a new movie in the Terminator series. Love it, I would have thought the same.

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  34. Re:Waste of taxpayer $$$ by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

    Got Troll?

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  35. Rare Picture by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

    Taken by a friend of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIYVjqAd3Y

    Awesome video, I'm glad he decided to go with a tripod or at least keep it stationary. Here's an amateur picture from the other side.

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    1. Re:Rare Picture by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I passed along your comment to him. He took a bunch of stills, too, but obviously all from the same vantage point, ground level. He has not posted them with public access, however, and I'm not gonna go through the hassle of copying them. :-)

  36. Tomorrow's pyramids by Animats · · Score: 1

    Future generations will walk to the rusted ruins of Pad 39A as they walk to the Pyramids today, and wonder at the massive effort required to accomplish such a pointless but impressive task.

    1. Re:Tomorrow's pyramids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eloquent troll is eloquent.

    2. Re:Tomorrow's pyramids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the way things in the US work, it'll be converted into some prime, beach front property as the US government tries to find a way to generate revenue in the near future, expensive beach front properties that no one will be able to afford. they'll likely have a park or memory with a plaque and a piece of the launchpad.

      At least that's how they do it in California. We have some historical sites that get torn down and "Preserved" much the same way,

  37. Re:Waste of taxpayer $$$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have delusional faith in our technology. For all practical purposes, space IS empty. There's nothing we can do there. It's empty. Face it, get over it, and move on.

  38. Re:Waste of taxpayer $$$ by JockTroll · · Score: 1

    No, even your run of the mill rock troll has more brains than this. This is a retarded troll that was petrified by forgetting to take shelter before sunlight and not even remembering that stone isn't supposed to talk.

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  39. Re:First... (Third and half) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Easy. Use sun to grow plant. Feed plant to silk worm. Eat silk worm. Crap on plant. Repeat.

  40. Re:Lobster for breakfast as a last meal? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

    Loud != numerous

  41. What a shuttle launch is like for Australian fans. by freaxeh · · Score: 1

    Having been a long time Shuttle fan since I was a kid, I wanted to record the STS-134 Launch, unfortunatley being in Australia this limits my options to only internet access for a station to watch the NASA TV feed on. So I go over to Ustream, but the Ustream feed doesn't work because there are too many viewers, bummer, so I go over to the NASA website to view it there, that works, hooray, I'm in luck, even though its terrible quality. Seeing as I had to go to sleep early in the afternoon, I decided I would record it, I fire up my copy of some paticular software and set it on the scope of the flash player window and go to bed. I wake up 10 hours later, to find that some application has popped up infront of the video stream capturing area warning me of something which isn't anywhere near as important as a shuttle launch. I sit here 10 hours later, having had a crap sleep because I got drunk the night before, sifting through video which has a popup window infront of it and is essentially totally useless. Why do I have to endure this? WHY? Can't NASA setup a relay station somewhere in Australia where they can send the live video feed over the internet and then convert it into DBS then send it up to an Optus D1 or D3 satellite as a free service? Whats so hard about that? Sure, It costs a great deal to get a 24/7 channel on an Australian coverage Satellite, But why have I had to wait and sit in the dark for the last 20 years and be forced to watch 5 minutes of footage cut up and voiced over by the local news outlets of JUST the launch? Shouldn't this be a global event? If another program pops up infront of the capture region on the very last Shuttle MIssion, I'm going to kill my computer.

  42. Re:First... (Third and half) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, yeah. Easy. All you have to do is drag the sun along with you into interstellar space. Piece of cake.

    Jackass.

  43. Well... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    You asked who threw at mach 25.

    Although, I do believe that Tezuka's ball went a bit faster than mere mach 25.

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  44. Fifth, drop ceramic coated rebar... by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Fifth, drop ceramic coated rebar at orbital velocity on people who piss you off.

    Just saying: there's a reason that access to space is not cheap, McDonnell Douglas isn't independently pursuing the DC-X for commercial purposes, access is not available to the average person, and the government is so anal about licensing of launch sites.

    It isn't a technological one.

    -- Terry

  45. Complete Coverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Complete Coverage available at http://www.slideshare.net/nasa

  46. Re:First... (Third and half) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't sustain life. You put the inhabitants in stasis.
    You also send smaller, faster probes ahead that do terraforming with bacteria.

  47. Bad analogy by Geminii · · Score: 1

    Fastballs are impressive because they're launched at their travel speeds, and the effort is on the part of the pitcher. They don't have built-in rockets to accelerate them after they're thrown. An actual baseball pitcher could have thrown a ball faster than the shuttle lifted off the pads.