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Capturing Solar Power With Antennae

necro81 writes "Researchers at the University of Missouri and the Idaho National Laboratory have demonstrated a new method of capturing solar power. Rather than using semiconductors to capture photons of sunlight, they fabricated small coiled antennae (several um square) that resonate with the wave nature of light. The antennae are tuned towards midrange infrared light (5-10 um), which is abundant on our cozy-warm Earth — even at night. They also demonstrated a way to imprint these coils on a substrate, like how CDs or vinyl records are produced, but could be scaled to roll-to-roll mass production. The usual caveat applies: it may be 5-10 years until this could hit the market."

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  1. And 5-10 years from now... by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It will still be 5-10 years away.

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  2. Antennas by LearnToSpell · · Score: 5, Informative

    Antennae are for bugs.

  3. Most important point not in summary by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The summary fails to mention the most important advancement here: 90%+ efficiency. That's a game-changer for solar power.

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    1. Re:Most important point not in summary by joe_frisch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What are they using to rectify the signal to convert to DC? The antenna is neat - but not at all surprising, its size should just scale with wavelength. You could make a 125nm long antenna that would resonate with visible light (well withing the resolution of existing lithography). The problem is how to convert the 100THz signal you get to a DC signal. You need a fantastically fast diode.

      If they have managed this, that would be an impressive achievement. The fastest diodes I am aware of are around 1THz, but its well outside my field and there might be something faster out there

      BTW: the efficiency isn't all the impressive. For single frequency light, conventional solar cells can be quite efficient (~80%???), but they don't do will with broad thermal light (like sunlight). The photons that are less than a band-gap don't do anything, and the ones above a bandgap waste any excess energy.

    2. Re:Most important point not in summary by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you see the problem - I *am* in a related field and I certainly don't know of any practical or efficient way to rectify it. I can think of absurdly inefficient ways, but we already have a bunch of those.

    3. Re:Most important point not in summary by lupine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From TFA:
      The individual nantennas can absorb close to 90 percent of the available in-band energy.

      So the total system efficiency depends on how wide that band is in relation to total solar energy available and whether nantennas can be stacked and designed to capture energy over a range of bands.

    4. Re:Most important point not in summary by blair1q · · Score: 2

      Solar efficiency is measured as usable power output vs. total incident power across the full incident spectrum.

      This thing's efficiency is measured as usable power output vs. power across the very small bandwidth it detects. Which is to say, its solar efficiency is probably in the micro-percents.

    5. Re:Most important point not in summary by skids · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Such a system would be yet another layer in the panel to deal with a specific frequency range. Perhaps several layers with different wavelengths in each. It's journalists that make the mistake of promoting this as a whole solar panel.

      That said, the rectification issue is a deal killer. Not only are we talking THz, but IIRC from the last media go-round with this technology, voltages way below practical diode thresholds.

    6. Re:Most important point not in summary by pz · · Score: 2

      Might there be an efficient way to frequency scale the signal and bring it down to usable levels? Or does the fact that we're talking about light-scale dimensions mean most of what we think about in terms of EE is not applicable?

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    7. Re:Most important point not in summary by i_b_don · · Score: 2

      What? Best in class photovoltaic solar cells, in university settings under optimal conditions are around 43%-44%. That's the top efficiency of some very complex structures that are not mass producible using a light source that's 80x normal. 80% is unheard of. In fact, as I was thought in school 15 years ago, the theoretical maximum efficiency of the transistor solar cell method is 50%, thus the reason that 43% is considered really damn good. 80% is god-like.

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    8. Re:Most important point not in summary by Plammox · · Score: 2

      If the two different frequencies you pick up are not in phase and coherent (sunlight isn't, to my knowledge), then you won't get a beat frequency.....sadly. Nice try.

    9. Re:Most important point not in summary by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      If the two different frequencies you pick up are not in phase and coherent (sunlight isn't, to my knowledge), then you won't get a beat frequency.....sadly. Nice try.

      If there are two different frequencies, they can't be in phase and coherent. Even a harmonic will be 180 degrees out of phase some of the time.

  4. subluxations LOL by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Phrenologically speaking, your entire post is really lumpy. From a cooking standpoint, your pot is cracked. And scientifically speaking... well, why bring science into it now?

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  5. Nothing new by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 2

    Don Lancaster described this process years ago. The trick is the tiny diode at the bottom of the antenna to turn the AC into DC. It has to handle 400 - 800 THz. Plausible, but difficult. 5-10 years really means they have no idea when they'd be able to produce this in industrial quantities.

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  6. Re:Is this a very old idea by bmo · · Score: 2

    Amiga fanboys come in second only to Tesla fanboys.

    It's 2011.

    Tesla's dead.

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  7. Thermodynamics is a bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is, of course, utterly useless for harvesting power from ambient thermal radiation. Even if you can make a diode that's remotely capable of rectifying current at high enough frequencies, the diode has to be kept colder than the source of the radiation. It's the electrical analog of a Brownian ratchet.

    Picking up a bit of the IR tail that conventional photovoltaics don't catch? Maybe, but there isn't very much power down there even if you got the efficiency usefully high. Turning ambient heat into usable energy? Sorry, no.

  8. Re:Slow down and THINK before you use these. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    Parent is successfully trolling the shit out of everyone.

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  9. Re:How hard can it be ... by chemicaldave · · Score: 3, Informative

    The newsworthiness is that instead of only 250 million nantennas on one small square like in that INL page, these guys replicated a design onto an "8 inch round silicon wafer" with 10 billion antenna elements. And they did it with high detail and little loss between the "master print" and the copy.

  10. Unobtainum diodes by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    What are they using to rectify the signal to convert to DC?

    Unobtainum diodes. They don't actually know how to do that.

    Terahertz diodes do exist. Low-cost, high-efficiency, integrated terahertz diodes, no. But as work proceeds on terahertz electronics, someone may solve that problem. Each nanoantenna needs its own nanodiode, so the diodes have to be fabricated on the substrate with the antenna, which complicates the fab problem. The enthusiasm about roll-to-roll low cost fabrication in the article is premature. We'll probably see this working first on a wafer, and it may not be cheap.

    Even if it's expensive, there's an initial market for satellite power panels. The performance improvement would be worth it.

    1. Re:Unobtainum diodes by joe_frisch · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've bought some 300Ghz diodes from Virginia Diodes. Worked great, but $7K each as I remember......

      Here they need more like 100 THz. Might be possible with some sort of nonlinear optical material, but the fields are probably much too low.

      Even if this whole scheme does work, its not clear it is any better than a conventional solar cell - they are quite efficient for narrow-band radiation right above their bandgap. You can stack different band-gap solar cells to get a quite efficient stack, but it doesn't make economic sense - sunlight is free, its the solar cells that cost money......

    2. Re:Unobtainum diodes by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      its not clear it is any better than a conventional solar cell

      Working at night is a decent beneift.

    3. Re:Unobtainum diodes by joe_frisch · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately unless you combine in a nonlinear device, the beat just has the original frequency components. If you were to combine the 2 signals in a linear circuit and then low pass filter, you wouldn't see anything. A nonlinear combination would produce a low frequency signal - this technique is called "mixing" and is very widely used in radio systems. The mixer that does the nonlinear combination is typically constructed from a set of diodes - so you wind up back with the original problem.

  11. Re:Rectification is the hard part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The simple answer is that electronics aren't instant. Every single wire and component in any device you can build actually acts like a resistor, capacitor, and inductor. The combination of these effects means that when you, say, apply a voltage to a wire, it takes some tiny amount of time to "charge up". Even with the gigahertz frequencies used in processors, things have to be specifically built (and be tiny) to work with these charge times. If you try and do anything with *terahertz* frequencies? Even a micrometer of wire won't be "charged' before the wave goes negative, at which point it discharges... and you wind up with an average of zero volts.

    TL;DR: Until we have wire made out of superconductor, frequencies that high simply can't be transfered through circuits.

  12. Ressonance good for communication not power by erice · · Score: 2

    The individual nantennas can absorb close to 90 percent of the available in-band energy.

    Which is good for communications, where you want to exclude all but the target band. It could even work for power, providing the light source is a laser. But resonance methods aren't very good for capturing energy from broad spectrum sources like the sun.

    I predict that this technique will never gain traction for solar energy. However, it might replace photodiodes for fiber optic communications.

    1. Re:Ressonance good for communication not power by demonbug · · Score: 3, Funny

      MASERs and rectenna already operate using this same principle, and similarly operate at 85% or better efficiency. Since they operate in the tens of GHz range, there are readily available electronics available to handle them.

      Cartman had one of those, right?

    2. Re:Ressonance good for communication not power by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

      I think that would be a rectish.

  13. Re:The problem with solar power by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

    This is the problem with solar power, it's mostly home owners who are buying them and the systems cost so much it takes decades to break even (if purely doing it for cost reasons, not CO2).

    So once a better technology comes along you have to junk the old tech and you may never break even.

    Hello 1978, welcome to 2011 where panels pay for themselves within 4 years, have a lifespan of 20+ years, and are significantly cheaper to produce and use less-rare components.

  14. Bug antennae by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    Antennae are for bugs.

    Funny you should mention that.

    Apparently insects have similar antenna systems in their antennae to detect pheromones by their infrared signature. Also electret excitation structures attached other antenna structures to emit tuned infrared when pumped by grooming.

    Here's one reference.

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