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Australian Journalist Arrested, Released After Detailing Facebook Flaws

CuteSteveJobs writes "Yesterday Australian journalist Ben Grubb was arrested by police at an IT Security Conference after an article Grubb wrote about vulnerabilities in Facebook's privacy controls was published on Fairfax media websites. Grubb was later released, but police have confiscated his iPad. Late last month police tried to force fellow Fairfax journalist Linton Besser into revealing who leaked information about corruption. At the time, Fairfax editor Peter Fray called it an unprecedented attack on the freedom of the press. Australia has no explicit right to free speech and lacks shield laws to protect investigative journalists from having to reveal sources."

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  1. So what you're saying is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We should invade Australia to help bring democracy to the region?

    1. Re:So what you're saying is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... and watch out for the drop bears.

    2. Re:So what you're saying is.... by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 4, Funny

      We should invade Australia to help bring democracy to the region?

      Please do. We keep getting screwed by higher prices and region locked on Steam, so if you make us a US territory it'll work out for everyone!

  2. Summary of comments by gmhowell · · Score: 3, Informative

    Australians defending their government against Americans talking about how crazy it is.
    People applying their IANAL interpretation of laws... of other countries.
    A frost pist that is off topic.
    Several jokes about Foster's.
    Retort that 'real IrishmenAustralians don't drink Foster's.
    Jokes about 'Facebook police'.
    Question about Men at Work.
    Defense of vegemite.
    Vegemite vs. marmite discussion.
    Complaints about submission/slashdot in general.

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  3. The issue... by exomondo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...was that he published a photo that the presenter obtained without permission from the private profile of the wife of another security researcher (that the presenter publicly acknowledges that he doesn't like). The vulnerability disclosure does seem to be very very childish and unethical. The re-publishing of the photo does seem to be unethical too, but not illegal, which i assume is why he hasn't been charged with any offence.

    1. Re:The issue... by grainofsand · · Score: 4, Informative

      In fact he was placed under questioning arrest and taken to a police station.

      He was questioned for an unspecified number of hours and released.

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    2. Re:The issue... by syousef · · Score: 4, Informative

      and he wasn't arrested, and has his iPad back. Seems to be a storm in a tea-cup / media beat-up.

      I'm thinking I'd prefer to be over there (Australia) than here in the "free" US of A.

      He was arrested, then released without charge. But they still have his ipad. Stop spreading made up BS.

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  4. are we really that different? by decora · · Score: 5, Informative

    in the USA, Judith Miller was thrown in jail for refusing to reveal a source
    James Risen has been subpoenad about the source for his book on the CIA

    one of those suspected of being his source, Jeffrey Sterling, is under an Espionage Act prosecution, with possible 10 years jail time, for talking about CIA mistakes in the late 1990s.

    Then there is Stephen Kim, another Espionage act case; his crime? telling a reporter North Korea might test a nuke.

    Then there is Stephen Drake, espionage act case, for whistleblowing against the NSA ... several of his friends homes were raided by the FBI, guns drawn. one of them is a diabetic with one leg. as

    One of the UK ambassadors to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, wrote 2 books about what he saw there; torture, rape, abuse, violence, mass slavery, murder, all committed by our 'ally' in the 'global war on terror'. oh and i forgot to mention the children being anally raped in front of their relatives to force confessions about being in league with al qaeda.

    in the US, our ambassadors said nothing. when some kid, Bradley Manning, dumps a bunch of their emails, he gets thrown in solitary, naked, 23 hours a day, being asked every 5 minutes 'are you OK'.

    so no, i personally find australia's laws and UK's laws to be ridiculous. but the US is kind of moving in the same direction. The Espionage Act in particular, is becoming a de-facto State Secrets Act by virtue of our past 2 presidents, our court system, our media, and our education system.

    its bad all over.

    1. Re:are we really that different? by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Informative

      For clarification of bill of rights in Australia read this http://www.aph.gov.au/Library/pubs/rn/2001-02/02rn42.htm. So the specific concern is a bill of rights limits rights, rather than rights being unlimited until legally contested and put before state and federal governments. Apart from 'implied freedom of political communication' and of course constitutional freedom of religion, both of which can of course be stretched to infinity with regards to freedom of speech.

      The more interesting point is that Facebooks privacy controls are a complete illusion http://www.theage.com.au/technology/security/security-experts-go-to-war-wife-targeted-20110517-1eqsm.html and of course computer security experts (drips under pressure) can be a cantankerous lot and use the letter of the law like a club to attack others whilst believing is does not apply to them personally.

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    2. Re:are we really that different? by pookemon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I find it interesting that this is seen as a "free speech" issue, rather than receiving "goods obtained via illegal means" issue. He received and published an image that was obtained illegally - was arrested and questioned about - and released.

      What this really is is the press trying to say "but we're the media - we can take and do what we want". Nevermind that illegal means were used to obtain the subject matter.

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  5. not to mention Geohot and Fail0verflow by decora · · Score: 3, Interesting

    who were sued by Sony, in part, for posting a number on a website.

  6. Police chief compares it to receiving stolen TV by syousef · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yep, that's right the police chief equated receiving a "stolen" (copied) photo without permission to receiving a stolen TV. This is one time that "Copyright infringement is not theft" is very appropriate. Apparently our police just don't get it.

    That tells you how rational and well informed our Police are. If it involves IT or computers they're just maroons.

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  7. A few minor corrections by Cimexus · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know poking a stick at foreign jurisdictions is a popular past time on Slashdot (and this is sometimes with good reason) but it would be nice if blanket statements weren't thrown around quite so much about the state of laws in other countries. As usual with most things in life, the situations is generally more complex than can be summed up in a sentence or two.

    From the summary:

    "Australia has no explicit right to free speech and lacks shield laws to protect investigative journalists from having to reveal sources."

    Though this isn't an inaccurate statement at a high level, it's not quite true...

    Australia has no ~constitutional~ right to free speech, in that its Constitution does not contain a Bill of Rights like the American one. This is not unusual - most Westminster democracies have no such thing and generally have rights conferred by common law (case law) and/or statutory rights. And at least two jurisdictions DO have "explicit rights" to freedom of expression in Australia - the ACT and Victoria, which both have (statutory) 'Bills of Rights'.

    Incidentally there have been proposals to introduce a constitutional Bill of Rights in the past. They have not been successful. There are as many arguments against an entrenched and absolute statement of rights, as there are for one - there are pros and cons in each case.

    And as for shield laws - again, the jurisdiction matters. One state, NSW, does indeed have a shield law. The others don't, although I believe WA and a couple of others are working on one at the moment. However, as of March this year, a Federal shield law also passed both houses of the Federal Parliament in March this year and is currently awaiting Royal Assent.

    So basically, Australia has some shield laws that may or may not apply depending on the case. In a NSW or Federal court, or a case regarding the NSW or Federal Police or a NSW or Federal law, yes, there are shield laws that apply. Otherwise, no, not at this point in time.

  8. Kill the messenger... by LongearedBat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...again! Because if you don't read/hear/see any problems, then they can be safely ignored. <massive sarcasm>

    When will governments/law enforcement around the world accept that reponsible leaking of information is in everyones best interests (except the corrupt)?
    (I guess the answer to that is: When governments/law enforcement cease to be corrupt.)

    But I guess I'm preaching to the converted.

  9. An update on this story by Grubb... by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 5, Informative

    "We've all seen it happen on TV a zillion times. But when a police officer recited to me those well-rehearsed words – 'you have the right to remain silent ' – I felt sick in the stomach."

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/technology-news/grubbs-story-privacy-news-and-the-strong-arm-of-the-law-20110518-1esn9.html

    The Policeman who confiscated Grubb's iPad was Detective Superintendent Errol Coultis. "When I questioned under what legislation they had the right to seize my iPad, Coultis told me I was under arrest in relation to receiving unlawfully obtained property." Head of the Queensland police fraud squad, Brian Hay said accessing a photo without permission was the same as stealing a TV.

    Amusingly the "Queensland Police Media Service" are into twitter damage control: "Police can legally seize material which may be evidence of a crime. It will be returned as soon as we can do so."

    Grubb said "I was told that forensics officers were going to make a complete copy of the information on my iPad, whether it related to this matter or not."

    An absolutely disgraceful peformance by the Queensland Police involved.

    1. Re:An update on this story by Grubb... by sirkumi · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Here's a transcript of the interview he had with police:

      http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/journalists-facebook-arrest-transcript-of-police-interview-20110518-1esrr.html

      It is abundantly clear that, while everything was going ok for a while, Ben's fatal flaw was being "helpful" to the police and offering information to them. The interview was voluntary, and they even told him he could walk out at any time. The minute he mentioned that he had taken notes of the converstaion with the security researcher on his iPad though, the police then had the information they needed to seize it. When he refused citing his sources and private information contained on it, they arrested him (later releasing him without charge). Once again, as has been linked to so many times here on Slashdot, the following should be REQUIRED viewing by everyone!

      Don't talk to the Cops

  10. Re:Anonymous Proxy by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fucking summary

    And the fact that these subpoenas were even served reminds us that in Australia there are no statutory protections for journalists - no shield laws, as they're known - worthy of the name.

    Or there weren't, until a couple of weeks ago, when the

    Evidence Amendment (Journalists' Privilege) Bill 2011
    -- Evidence Amendment (Journalistsâ(TM) Privilege) Bill 2011

    was finally passed through both houses of the Federal Parliament.
    It provides bluntly that...

    If a journalist has promised an informant not to disclose the informant's identity, neither the journalist nor his or her employer is compellable to answer any question or produce any document that would disclose the identity of the informant...
    -- Evidence Amendment (Journalistsâ(TM) Privilege) Bill 2011

    It's a disgrace that it took until 2011, but the Aussies now have a shield law

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