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Verizon Customers: Say So Long To Unlimited Data

BogenDorpher writes "Verizon will be eliminating its unlimited smartphone data plan this summer. No longer will one be able to pay $30 a month to have unlimited data. This move is designed to 'force heavy data users to pay more for mobile data.'"

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  1. Heavy users? by Totenglocke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, the plans will make most people pay more for data - they'll just really rape the people who actually used what they pay for.

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    1. Re:Heavy users? by kthreadd · · Score: 4, Informative

      It varies. Some are going down but overall most carriers have the same problem where their network just isn't designed to handle the amount of data traffic going on these days.

    2. Re:Heavy users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      In Finland, I have the slowest dataplan of about 500kbps, unlimited, in my phone, 4,99 €/month, going down. Unlimited unlimited is now about 10 € / month, or 14€ / month including an USB modem...

    3. Re:Heavy users? by siddesu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Unlimited" means that you pay a fixed price and can use the network up to the limits that are due to the technology and the infrastructure capacity, not that you can swallow up the whole Google Earth database over your mobile connection.

      All carriers I have used - in Japan and Europe at least - publish information about the maximum capacity for speed, latency, etc. on their "unlimited" connections. It is then their responsibility to ensure that such capacity is available. Most users of the network understand this, and have no issues with the technology and infrastructure limits; the fixed plan within these limits is good, because you can plan ahead, and don't need to make complex calculations before opening the next email or web page.

      There is no "tragedy of the commons" in this situation at all.

    4. Re:Heavy users? by Ihmhi · · Score: 2

      Actually, a lot of buffets have instituted 90, 60, or 30 minute time limits.

      One of my best friends is the type who is in spectacularly fit shape yet has one of those envious metabolisms where he eats more than three people combined every day and doesn't really gain a pound. He's been kicked out of buffets numerous times for basically eating "too much food" (example: six plates of snow crab legs in one sitting). It's happened many times at different locales.

      The prices have been steadily going up which is understandable considering that food prices are going ever higher, but the service is actually being reduced what with the time limits and being ejected for arbitrary reasons.

    5. Re:Heavy users? by zyzko · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't be sure about the going down part. Many telco-executives have talked about instituting data caps because people use too much (which is quite absurd because 1-2 years ago they pushed really hard to market usb sticks and 3G data as a replacement for cable/dsl and best offers where in the range of 7.99 / month with usb modem (unlimited) if you signed up for 24 months. Now they are slowly starting to whine. Want to buy an iPad on contract with unlimited data? Can't do that - they all have caps (except one carrier which offers an "iPad" SIM but incidentally they are not on the "works with" list at apple.com). Of course nothing stops you from buing your iPad retail without 3G SIM and just order a generic data card and ask for micro-sim.

      Yes, data is cheap here. I currently have a Galaxy S which I bought on contract which I usually don't do. 24 months term, eur 26,90 /month. Phone, plan with unlimited data (speed and amount) (I pay for my minutes and texts per usage (0,069e min or per sms), my usage on those is so low that no point of taking fixed package), and a second data-only sim (also unlimited) and a complimentary 3g usb modem. And the phone is unlocked from day 1 so as long as I pay the monthly bills I can switch carriers or use a different SIM when travelling.

      But the point is: The operators do want to get rid of unlimited data, that is their wet dream. But nobody dares to do it first for all their users, but they are turning up the heat slowly with iPad.

    6. Re:Heavy users? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't think most users understand this at all. When it says "unlimited" they take that to mean they can watch as many YouTube videos as they like, not "as many as you like so long as it isn't too many and there are not too many other people nearby using their phones and we have enough backend bandwidth and Jupiter is in ascendancy".

      I can give you a real world example. Virgin Media claims that their broadband is "unlimited" but actually the package I am on (10 meg) is max 1.5GB between 4PM and 9PM. Go over that and you are punished with massive speed reductions that makes iPlayer and YouTube unwatchable. There are four of us in the house and we hit that limit every other day. All it needs is for a couple of people to watch HD iPlayer streams or someone to download a game demo from XBOX Live and we reach the limit of our "unlimited" connection.

      10MB/sec speed is fine, 1.5GB of data during peek times is not.

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    7. Re:Heavy users? by somersault · · Score: 2

      If they're going to implement high bandwidth technologies like 3G and HSDPA, they should expect that people will use them. What's the point in high speed access if you hit your usage cap in a day?

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    8. Re:Heavy users? by Kavafy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Virgin Media claims that their broadband is "unlimited" but actually the package I am on (10 meg) is max 1.5GB between 4PM and 9PM. Go over that and you are punished with massive speed reductions that makes iPlayer and YouTube unwatchable. There are four of us in the house and we hit that limit every other day.

      Isn't this the whole problem? ISPs should not be allowed to advertise their services as unlimited, because they can never actually be unlimited. They should be forced to state their usage caps clearly and up front, instead of pretending that something's unlimited and then hiding all the limits in the small print.

    9. Re:Heavy users? by rah1420 · · Score: 2

      >>He's been kicked out of buffets numerous times for basically eating "too much food"

      You been here FOUR HOUR. Son-of-a-bitch!

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    10. Re:Heavy users? by intheshelter · · Score: 2

      Sit down and prepare yourself for a shock.

      Despite the fact that the Nokia E61 existed in 2006, it obviously failed to make much of an impact on the wireless landscape. The poster was correct in that the iPhone and then the addition of Android phones have been what have caused this sudden data explosion.

    11. Re:Heavy users? by Jaysyn · · Score: 2

      Exactly. As much data as the cellphone providers have on their customers, there really is no excuse for not being able plan for expansion where it is needed.

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    12. Re:Heavy users? by dingen · · Score: 2

      Ok, so the 3G network was rolled out before 2007. I get that. But it's 2011 now. You're saying 4 years isn't enough time to scale up your network to meet current bandwith demands? I'm not buying that.

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    13. Re:Heavy users? by js_sebastian · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't be sure about the going down part. Many telco-executives have talked about instituting data caps because people use too much

      They can talk all they want, but in a competitive market (which some european countries have, like finland and austria and even the UK) they would not be able to raise prices without losing customers and money. Of course, if the US had a competitive market people wouldn't be paying 100$ a month for a plan... in europe nobody pays more than say 35 euros a month, and that's for a bells-and-whistles plan with free ponies on the side.

    14. Re:Heavy users? by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a great feature list, but it has nothing to do with my argument that there were no usable smartphones before the iPhone.

      I still have my old Samsung SGH-Z560 flip phone. It has most of the features that my current iPhone has, but actually using those features is an absolute nightmare. it was built with a checklist like yours, an not the user, in mind.

    15. Re:Heavy users? by dingen · · Score: 2

      It's not about what the iPhone and other phones can or can't do. It's a fact people weren't generating a lot of traffic over mobile data networks before 2007. Whether or not the iPhone is responsible for this to change isn't really relevant. What's relevant is that the change is clearly there: mobile data traffic has been steadily rising in the last years and there's no indication of it slowing down significantly any time soon. My point is this: network operators know this and have known the whole time. They know how many phones and subscriptions they sell. So why the hell isn't their network prepared to actually offer what they're selling?

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    16. Re:Heavy users? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      They saw that AT&T rapes their customers and had no backlash, so they want to get in on the rampant raping. Just wait, all the others will do it as well. It's like printing money.

      Until Americans stop being sheep and rolling over for whatever the big business does to them, this is only going to get worse.

      If you do not complain you are telling Verizon and the business world, "Thank you! Oh tHank you so much, can you charge me more for something else now as well? Please? Pretty Please?"

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    17. Re:Heavy users? by Stewie241 · · Score: 2

      Spectrum is limited, but you can gain a lot from shrinking your cell size so you can reuse the same spectrum more.

    18. Re:Heavy users? by VolciMaster · · Score: 2

      Nobody could have been expected to predict that phones would actually become usable for any amount of data use.

      Really? I'm *sure* LOADS of people have been expecting/predicting this for years on end - even before 3G

    19. Re:Heavy users? by GooberToo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Says who? You think cellular networks predicted people streaming Netflix on cell phones?

      You mean like what has been advertised on television since 3G services were turned on around the world? Naw...there's no way they could have known people would use the exact service they claimed to be offering.

    20. Re:Heavy users? by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      Are you really that confused? There were tons of very usable smart phones well before the iPhone was considered for designing. You may be drinking the coolade, but you are wrong. Windows Mobile, Palm, BlackBerry, and many others were quite usable and worked wonderfully. Having to use iPhones for work, I would even say they are quite a bit less useful than the old WinMo phones, with WinMo, you could run any software you wanted. Want a tether app, sure no problem.

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  2. I would like to remind everyone by assemblerex · · Score: 3, Informative

    That virgin mobile has unlimited internet plans starting at $25 a month, plus you can carry over your existing number.

    1. Re:I would like to remind everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      And by unlimited, they mean unlimited connectivity to up to 5GB per month, just like sprint, their parent company.

    2. Re:I would like to remind everyone by timothyb89 · · Score: 2

      Just being picky, but... depending on the plan, Sprint's data can actually be really unlimited. Any device with the extra $10/m 4G addon gives you real unlimited 3G/4G data.

  3. Heavy users? by Ostracus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A finite price for something "unlimited"? Interesting. Tragedy of the commons comes to wireless.

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  4. Let me correct this by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 2

    "Verizon will be eliminating its unlimited smartphone data plan this summer. No longer will one be able to pay $30 a month to have unlimited data. This move is designed to 'force heavy data users to pay more for mobile data.'"

    This move is designed to 'force heavy data users to find a better phone vendor'.

    1. Re:Let me correct this by erice · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This move is designed to 'force heavy data users to find a better phone vendor'

      Nah. That's being taken care of. T-Mobile is being borged into AT&T. Sprint will be soon be extinguished or merged out of existence.

      Verizon and AT&T will join together in the monetization of data users. The unlimited plans were just a temporary measure to get their users hooked. Now the surviving duopoly will apply frighteningly expensive overuse fees to encourage their addicts to pay out big bucks for large plans. It worked so well for voice. Did you expect anything else?

  5. Welcome to Australia... by Lord_of_the_nerf · · Score: 3, Funny

    We're also upgrading your service with Oceanic Lag, shaped broadband, taking 100 or so of your cable channels and cutting off Huvu.

    All complaints are to be directed to 'Telstra', which I've been assured is Australian for 'Know Your Place, You Filthy Peasant'.

  6. This is why communications should be socialized by mozumder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Communications is a basic government service, as spelled out in the US constitution.

    At this point, government should just buy-out Verizon. They're only a 100 billion company, tiny compared to the annual federal budget.

    Let's limit the power of private companies to create megabusinesses through government intervention.

    We need more government in our lives, and less freedom of choice.

    Remember, freedom is code-word for corporate control.

    I trust the hard-working government more than I trust lazy private companies.

    1. Re:This is why communications should be socialized by myotheridislower · · Score: 2

      Without that health care bill, I wouldn't have health care at all right now. I have a pre-existing condition and can't afford coverage but I get to stay on my parents plan a little longer and then will have an insurance plan fully, or mostly, subsidized by the government. There are bad parts about the plan, mainly because it didn't go far enough toward a true public option, but it has helped many people like me.

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    2. Re:This is why communications should be socialized by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      I trust the hard-working government more than I trust lazy private companies.

      This is a false dilemma. You shouldn't trust either. The fact is when you give too much power to one person or group of people, they will eventually abuse that power.

      The advantage of corporations is you can switch to another one if you are dissatisfied. There's only one government, but the advantage there is if you want to change something, you can convince enough other people that it should be changed, and then change it.

      Each has its advantage and disadvantage in different situations, don't make the mistake of assuming one is better than the other. They are both bad.

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  7. Re:Always about squeezing out more profits by MadKeithV · · Score: 2

    Once they work every angle for increasing profits they go after the handful using more than the average.

    That "handful" is and always will be about 50% of their users.

  8. Technology drives forward, Greed pulls back by RanceJustice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Over the past 3 years or so, nearly every nationwide Mobile provider in the USA has castrated their data service. "Unlimited" data used to be slower, EDGE or early 3G a couple years back, but despite the expense you didn't have to worry about overages. Now it seems only Sprint (perhaps?) has an "unlimited" plan. ATT and Verizon, switching over to these capped bandwidth isn't simply to save money or keep network congestion down, but rather its the same impetus that had the 80s and 90s phone companies charging 25/c a minute for long distance - to jack up fees on a monopolized industry under the guise of "paying what you use". While true "unlimited" plans were few and far between over the last decade, they usually simply transitioned to slowing your connection speed if you were using a ton more data than most at an inconvenient time. Now, you're paying per kilobyte for overages, on top of stupidly high costs of data plans. Look at how even the iPhone 1's original data plan compares to those today - it was a $20/month unlimited option with 200 included SMS! Now, you're looking at well over $80, plus SMS packages for the high-end "5gb of transfer" plan! .

    The problem is simple greed and it infests our entire system. Corporate giants for years told users "buy our new DSL/Cable/Fiber/3G/4G service.. and download more, more more! Get your movies! Get your music! Play Games" (Even when there wasn't much legal digital distribution, mind you). Not only did they benefit from upping subscription fees and only selectively rolling out broadband to the highest ROI areas, they also petitioned (read as: bought) government subsidy for "infrastructure improvements", common carrier agreements and more. Now, they figured out that instead of actually using our double-dipped tax dollars and subscription fees to actually expand infrastructure and give people the connectivity they want, its simpler to simply say "Sorry, you just can't download more than X per month. Yeah" and pocket the rest. Prices go up, service comes down and the user is meant to lick the boots of telecoms that have fucked over this nation's information infrastructure. There is only one solution.

    We need to take that money and control out of the hands of private companies, and invest it in We The People. Nationalize our entire information infrastructure. Prior to Eisenhower's Interstate, the physical roadway system was heading towards the same kind of mess as today's information highways - unpaved roads, shoddy maintenance, only serviceable where profitable, and tolls were levied constantly. Even the fucking ROMANS figured out that the first thing to do when expanding their empire was to nationalize the roadway system and kick all the bandits collecting tolls along travel pathways the hell out. Those bandits are just named ATT and Comcast today! Right now, the wire in the ground, despite the fact its is lain with my tax dollars, is the property of a private company, which squelches competition. There's not a piece of "Big 4" infrastructure that is not taxpayer funded in some way, so we need to simply nationalize what we already own! Then we can start rolling out true universal broadband initiatives and give our nation competitive speeds and coverage. There can be a role to play for private industry, able to lease access to the public hardware to create ISPs, with the stipulation that they must simply be a "dumb pipe" and maintain neutrality - however, private industry should never forget who their masters are - We The People through our Government - rather than the Government being a toy of private moneyed interests. Some form of this is how most European and Asian nations have ascended to gigabit broadband speeds while much of our nation is floundering with 256k and big spenders in the most cosmopolitan areas are paying $50+ monthly for 20mb.

    Telecoms aren't going to stop clenching their grip until we break their fingers.

  9. Re:Supremacy of contract by demonlapin · · Score: 2

    They will almost certainly just phase this out by refusing to allow you to keep it on a month-to-month basis rather than actively trying to change people's contracts mid-stream. You'll have your unlimited bandwidth until your two years is up, and then goodbye.

  10. Data Caps: The Future of Revenue Protection by Valen0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that the data cap moves we are seeing in the data communications sector represent a market-wide trend to protect the existing profitable "value added" services such as voice calling and premium television services. Companies seem to be afraid of becoming just another "dumb pipe" as connection speeds get fast enough to handle third party "value added" services (e.g. Netflix and Google Voice). These companies believe that, by using data caps and unregulated third party data usage meters, they can ensure the protection of their highly profitable "value added" service sector. In many respects, this practice represents a trend of "predatory pricing" and "refusal to deal" in the communications industry.

    For example... In the cellular world, the 5 GB data cap effectively tolls previously "free" services such as Google Voice. On the broadband side of things, a 150 to 250 GB cap effectively limits the ability of Netflix and Hulu to compete with the first party in providing premium high definition video content.

    In many ways, these data cap moves are representative of an anti-competitive protectionist oligopoly. They also represent an end-run around the principals of network neutrality. By using unregulated meters that only bill for third party network usage, these companies have effectively "rigged the pump" to ensure that they can charge almost any rate for almost any service. Better regulation and oversight is needed at the Federal Government level to ensure fairness and competition in this otherwise anti-competitive industry.

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  11. Re:Always about squeezing out more profits by magamiako1 · · Score: 2

    If you have 100 people downloading < 1GB each, and one person downloading 100GB, where's the problem?

    No, the problem is over subscription. To even consider blaming the end user (no matter their usage) for this is obscene and disgusting.

    But it's nice to see company shills taking over slashdot's comment boards. How much do they pay you to talk out of your ass?

  12. Re:Always about squeezing out more profits by magamiako1 · · Score: 2

    Oh, and another fact:

    There's a strong chance that user won't even give a damn. They're not going to curb their usage because of a minor increase in the bill. They just pay it.

    So in the REAL world, this does nothing.

    FYI: I'm a pretty "light" user of my iPhone. I have an "unlimited" plan grandfathered in but I keep up with my usage occasionally to see where I sit at. I don't really use it all that often. That is, any sort of heavy downloading I usually only do through wireless. I browse the occasional website on the phone, I use the GPS and e-mail more than I use anything else on the phone.

    My current usage this month? 435MB. AT&T's data plans? 250MB and 2GB. Now think about that for a minute there, long and hard. There is no possible way that any person humanly possible uses less than 250MB of data on their iPhone unless they don't have an iPhone. I only on any really rare occasion actually use my phone for more than GPS or e-mail, and I'm blazing past 250MB. But according to their "research", "MOST USERS USE BELOW THIS." How is that possible?

    I can only imagine that "poorer" people use much more of their phone than I do, the average person listening to music over youtube while driving in the car, etc. Downloading songs all of the time.

  13. I'd just like to remind everyone... by d3ac0n · · Score: 2

    Sprint still has reasonable and UNLIMITED V-T-D plans.

    No, they don't have the iPhone. They DO have some pretty sweet Android phones though. Let the iSheep get raped for bandwidth, come ride the unlimited airwaves on Sprint!

    (No, I'm not affiliated with Sprint at all. Just want to see my carrier of choice do well.)

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    1. Re:I'd just like to remind everyone... by lobsterGun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Be careful, the Sprint Unlimited Plan is only on their 4G service. If 4G service is not available, the phone silently downshifts to 3g where the 5gig caps still apply.

      Sprint has the smallest 4g network of all the major carriers.

    2. Re:I'd just like to remind everyone... by bws111 · · Score: 2

      And brilliant moves like that is why Sprint is #3 on the list of companies with the largest losses ($3.5B last year) and AT&T and Verizon are on the list with biggest profits.

    3. Re:I'd just like to remind everyone... by d3ac0n · · Score: 3, Informative

      Be careful, the Sprint Unlimited Plan is only on their 4G service. If 4G service is not available, the phone silently downshifts to 3g where the 5gig caps still apply.

      Sprint has the smallest 4g network of all the major carriers.

      This is not true AT ALL. I don't know where you got that info, but it is absolutely wrong, as even a cursory glance over their plans (easily available online at Sprint.com) would show.

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  14. I said fuck it. by Nyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Turned off my Cell phone plan.

    Look, this whole Cell Phone internet shit is stupid. How fucking fast do we need stupid ass shit to get to our cell phones? You have the corporations, making it so crap is bigger, streaming is important, while the cell phone co's are putting limits on downloads and charging more for over small amounts. They don't care if they sell more data plans even though there's isn't enough resources.

    What is so fucking important today that needs this tech, that wasn't important 10 years ago? By the way people are, you'd think we didn't survive before the internet.

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