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Creator of China's Great Firewall Pelted With Shoes

Hugh Pickens writes "The Guardian reports that Chinese police are seeking a man who said he threw eggs and shoes at the architect of China's 'great firewall', the world's most sophisticated and extensive online censorship system as his claims were cheered by many internet users, in a reflection of growing anger among them about increasingly stringent controls. The office of Fang Binxing, known as the father of the great firewall, denied the attack had happened, but Associated Press said police were sent to the university to investigate a shoe-throwing incident targeting Fang, citing an officer at the Luojiashan public security bureau. The Twitter user who claimed to have pelted him, who posts under the pseudonym @hanunyi, wrote: 'The egg missed the target. The first shoe hit the target. The second shoe was blocked by a man and a woman.' Earlier this year Fang closed a microblog within days of opening it after thousands of Chinese internet users left comments, almost all of them deriding him as 'a running dog for the government' and 'the enemy of netizens'. Meanwhile admirers of the shoe attacker showered the anonymous young man with promises of everything from Nike trainers to replace his lost footwear, to iPads, sex and jobs."

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  1. Americans are worse by bleble · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least the Chinese do something about it. Unlike Americans who sit down watching tv and drinking beer and bitching on slashdot (and never doing anything about it) while their government not only censors their internet connections, but the whole worlds.

    This is why Americans are so fucking hypocrites. Do whatever you want on your own land, but leave rest of the world alone. We don't want your bullshit around here in Europe, and the rest of the world.

    1. Re:Americans are worse by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think copyright laws are an abomination, but I wouldn't put them in the same category of evil as the censorship going on in China. It's annoying to have the MPAA shutting down websites and suing legitimate video websites, sure, but that's a far cry from blocking political discussions.

      Aside from just a question of taste, I also think you make those of us opposed to the MPAA's actions look like loons by equating the two, to say nothing of the pointless American bashing. Yes, we like beer and TV and complaining on slashdot, and yes, we are a little too apathetic about some things. Still, pointing it out as you have though is counterproductive, unless you're doing some sort of counter-astroturfing for the MPAA. You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar as the saying goes, even if it isn't literally true.

      Either way, after reading your post, my gut impulse was to grab a beer and write the MPAA and tell them I'm okay with them rewriting the law in whatever country "bleble" lives in.

    2. Re:Americans are worse by Sierran · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At least the Chinese do something about it. Unlike Americans who sit down watching tv and drinking beer and bitching on slashdot (and never doing anything about it) while their government not only censors their internet connections, but the whole worlds.

      This is why Americans are so fucking hypocrites. Do whatever you want on your own land, but leave rest of the world alone. We don't want your bullshit around here in Europe, and the rest of the world.

      Now don't get me wrong, I don't approve of censoring the internet for any reason. Nor do I approve of the U.S. government's record on IP-related enforcement *or* electronic freedoms. However, I should note that your angry objection is overwhelmingly colored by the fact that all of your links seem to point to a single source - torrentfreak.com - and all seem to involve actions taken during IP related seizures and enforcement. I realize that in your anger, you won't be able to separate me from the IP apologists, but I appeal to your cooler-headed colleagues of the copyleft movement and its ilk. Understand that a clumsy and self-centered attempt at comparison like this - IP enforcement to the Great Firewall - just makes you and your cause (which I mostly agree with) look...um...selfish, self-centered, and not too bright.

      Not to put too fine a point on it, it sounds like you're comparing the effects of the Great Firewall on the citizens/netizens of China to the effects on you, somewhere (as you say) other than America, because...you can't download bittorrents.

      That demeans the struggle that the Chinese are undertaking.

      Suck it up.

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    3. Re:Americans are worse by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your point would have more bite if there wasn't a bunch of CCTV recordings of your daily life.

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    4. Re:Americans are worse by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Informative

      The torrentfreak crowd have often noted that measures designed to crack down on filesharing also have serious ramifications for privacy and free speech. While their goals may be somewhat selfish, they are also looking out for all internet users, even those who don't pirate.

    5. Re:Americans are worse by Posting=!Working · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're right, you don't want American bullshit in Europe.

      You apparently want China's bullshit in Europe, since the EU's Law Enforcement Work Party just proposed a version of the great firewall for Europe.

      http://techweek.org/71481alarm-over-proposal-of-eu-great-firewall.html

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    6. Re:Americans are worse by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Aside from just a question of taste, I also think you make those of us opposed to the MPAA's actions look like loons by equating the two

      Fraudulent DMCA notices are being used to suppress unpopular speech, so no, you are a loon if you don't see the parallel.

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    7. Re:Americans are worse by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here's the bill sir. I'm afraid your reality cheque bounced.

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    8. Re:Americans are worse by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can we stop fighting and agree that most first world countries are losing their rights at citizen level?

      By the way, third wold countries worry too much about security, poverty, corruption and more to be able to do think much about freedom of speech yay or nay, they mainly move by inertia.

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  2. Amusing... by __Paul__ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...why not do the same to the people who have been restricting all their other freedoms, too?

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  3. Massively Ironic by sackvillian · · Score: 5, Funny
    Apparently the official, Fang Binxing, and the police chastised the university administration for not preventing the 'attack' despite it being announced beforehand on Twitter.

    The administrator's defense: The university could not access twitter from behind the firewall!

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  4. Western Press Rarely Accurate on This by retroworks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Guardian and others are in a tough spot, as print journals have less and less income and are trying to cover bigger and bigger stories (like... China). While the event posted here may or may not have happened, a blogger I read regularly, Adam Minter (www.shanghaiscrap.com) has made mincemeat of almost every such story I've read in the western media during the past two years (latest case, that China censored Bob Dylan's concert there - apparently not, but the story was reprinted extensively). I've travelled a lot in China, often with officials, and would say that most Chinese government officials are as far from the source of censorship itch as we are here on /. I don't know if the answer is for the West to stop reporting on "twitter posts" by people who claim to have "thrown shoes" at "firewalls", and I personally know the Chinese government "command and control" is awful and stupid and a painful thing to watch... Still, having read dozens of these stories, I think we need to expose that (a) the Western Press often does not know what it is talking about and (b) is just as often making it up as it goes along.

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  5. Viewpoint from an American in China by ddewey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm an American who has lived in China for 7 years.

    Most ordinary people in China believe the firewall is only for blocking pornography and dangerous information from terrorists. They don't believe political discussion is being blocked. In fact, there are many blogs and social networking sites in China full of political discussion, which are of course censored, but it is only a few sensitive topics that will be removed, so most users will never notice the censorship.

    From the comments in this thread, it seems like most US internet users (even the savvy users on Slashdot) likewise believe that US web censorship is only for blocking IP infringement, and never for censoring political discussion.

    So it would seem that Chinese and US internet users are equally misinformed and complacent about their own governments' internet censorship.

    1. Re:Viewpoint from an American in China by mosb1000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The main difference is the way censorship is theoretically justified. In China, the government is allowed to block content based on the message, while in the US, the government is allowed to block content based on the source. Of course, you'd be an idiot to believe such power is not abused, regardless of how it is done.

      I think most slashdotters are aware that such abuses exist, since you see articles about them posted on the main page every so often. I also believe that most Chinese who concern themselves with such matters are also aware of the problem (hence this news article).

      Perhaps one area of confusion is that in the US much censorship is done by psuedo-governmental organizations like the RIAA, or telecoms, or facebook, etc. . . which are not, in name, a part of the government but in reality have deep government ties.

    2. Re:Viewpoint from an American in China by ddewey · · Score: 4, Informative

      I live in China and access Slashdot frequently. I've never seen it blocked. Most foreign news sites are rarely blocked in China, and even negative articles about China's government are usually accessible. The exception is news sites with a lot of articles in Chinese, those are often blocked. And around certain important dates some news sites like the BBC may be inaccessible for several days.

    3. Re:Viewpoint from an American in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To compare US and Chinese internet censorship as being alike is frankly absurd.

      I also live in China.

      I have colleagues who've had blog posts automatically removed because they mentioned the nobel piece prize. A major online technical computer discussion forum getting taken offline, because someone posted how to make a proxy on it. A blanket ban on searches for temperature (same as wen jiabao's name). A singificant number of taiwanese goverment agencies are blocked, including the statistics bureaux, national museums, etc. You need a VPN to make the internet usable and a significant number of native non-technical chinese users use them. Since the troubles in the middle east, international traffic has been appalling to the extent of unusable.

      Companies are now getting forced to register their IP addresses for VPN connections, due to fear of the Jasmine revolution. Even mentioning that word can get you in bother.

      The censorship in China significantly affects people's lives. As much as I'm sure some political internet censorship exists in the US and other western countries, the degree is far less significant, and in general the effects can be openly discussed.

  6. Not Copylefties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I realize that in your anger, you won't be able to separate me from the IP apologists, but I appeal to your cooler-headed colleagues of the copyleft movement and its ilk.

    The so-called "filesharers" are not members of the copyleft movement, which seek to use copyright laws to push their idea of copyright equality. Pretty much like socialists, hopefully of the democratic stripe. The "filesharers" are more like copy libertarians, who don't want any copyright laws or at least want to restrict the copyright regime to industrial grade infringement. They are like the pro-gun lobby who at most want laws restricting the ownership of battle grade weapons like machine guns or rocket-propelled grenades, or the pro-drugs lobby who want the freedom to get stoned or high on low-grade narcotics and stimulants.