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Robots Retrieve Your Books At U. Chicago's $81 Million Library

kkleiner writes "The University of Chicago's new $81 million Joe and Rika Mansueto Library is being referred to as the library of the future. You enter the library and find there are hardly any books, just a large reading room with computers. The library's 3.5 million books are stored inside 35,000 bins stacked within 50 foot tall racks in a massive 5-story chamber underneath the library. When you ask for a book an automated retrieval system involving huge, computer-activated robotic cranes finds the book you want, delivers it to the circulation desk, and eventually puts it back underground when you return it." The age of the personal-shopping library robot is getting closer and closer.

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  1. Hey, I have one of those too! by Trip6 · · Score: 2

    It's called a Kindle...

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    1. Re:Hey, I have one of those too! by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does the Internet have a copy of "Proceedings and plans for the completion of the Chicago, St. Paul & Fond du Lac Rail-Road, from Chicago to Oshkosh", published in 1859? (http://pi.lib.uchicago.edu/1001/cat/bib/3577896) No? Didn't think so. How about "Sturiella minor: a fossil plant showing structure from the Carboniferous of Illinois", a UChicago student thesis from 1924? (http://pi.lib.uchicago.edu/1001/cat/bib/4512895) No? Didn't think so.

      If your response is "who would ever need to know that kinda crap?", you don't understand the first thing about academic research. If your response is "why not just digitize these and put them online?" then you'll be glad to know that they built a digitization lab as part of this new library to do exactly that. But that work takes time. Years.

      The Internet is great, but some things aren't on the Internet. Some things are very very hard to put on the Internet, due to copyright issues, age issues, and manpower problems. The Internet, for all its glory, often actually *reduces* the variety of information available: have you noticed that when you Google something, the first hit is Wikipedia, and the rest of the page is people plagiarizing Wikipedia? It's crucial that information networks from the past be integrated into the network of the present, or we stand to lose our history.

      For more on this, read "Rainbow's End" by Vernor Vinge.

  2. Big Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    We have had one of those at Sonoma State University for about 10 years now.

    1. Re:Big Deal by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "We have had one of those at Sonoma State University for about 10 years now."

      What? One of those papery blogs Granny talks about?

  3. Ambivalent by DirePickle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Robots are cool.

    Wandering the stacks and reading random books is fun.

    Going to the location of a book and looking at the books around it for other options is a necessity.

    1. Re:Ambivalent by martin-boundary · · Score: 2
      That's actually a function of the skill of the librarian. You're depending on the cataloging system to ensure that similar books end up next to each other on the same shelf.

      If you had a list of books (say electronic editions or scanned) and if you could order them in the same way that they are ordered on the library shelf, then you could browse a book's neighbourhood just the same.

    2. Re:Ambivalent by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

      Robots are cool.
      Wandering the stacks and reading random books is fun.
      Going to the location of a book and looking at the books around it for other options is a necessity.

      What we need is to combine these options. -Riding- the robot into the stacks and perusing! Especially if the robot were shaped like ponies!

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  4. Great for retrieving a specific book by kevinmenzel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But what I enjoy about say, going to one of the many libraries that my school operates - is having a list of a few books I want to check out, and browsing around where those books are found, finding additional books on the subject. This helps me find further research sources. I'm not sure how common that would be in all programs, but in History, it's quite a bit beneficial, or at least it has been for me...

    1. Re:Great for retrieving a specific book by fotoguzzi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some libraries have closed stacks and offsite storage, so perusing the entire collection is already impossible in some cases.

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    2. Re:Great for retrieving a specific book by CRCulver · · Score: 2

      My university library has placed some (and only some) books in a closed stack while larger facilities are being built, and it's apologizing profusely for the inconvenience. Closed stacks are not seen a desirable longterm situation in these parts.

    3. Re:Great for retrieving a specific book by blair1q · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yup. Nothing like taking a book off the shelf, flipping through a few pages, putting it back, taking it off the shelf, flipping through a few pages, discovering something you want to read more about, and adding it to the back-breaking pile you have on the nearest table.

    4. Re:Great for retrieving a specific book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The books in the robot aren't going to be the ones you want to browse on the shelves--they are the endless bound serials, government financial statistics, etc. Moving them makes room to browse the stuff you want in the main library stacks.

    5. Re:Great for retrieving a specific book by Fnordulicious · · Score: 2

      > Then the interfaces to library catalogs tend to be crap too.

      This is mostly because the world of university-level library management systems (a.k.a. integrated library systems) is heavily dominated by Voyager which was from Endeavor Information Systems and now is in the hands of the Ex Libris Group. There are a number of open source alternatives, but you can't seriously expect a big institution to use anything that doesn't require a huge contract for installation and support.

  5. And this is why tuition rates are out of control.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is very cool, but come on! People are struggling to afford college for their kids, and universities waste money like this?! Sorry, we have to raise tuition another 5%, we have to pay off this robotic library. And people complain about the oil companies...

  6. Removes more than it adds by oursland · · Score: 2

    This system caters to the individual who knows exactly which book they want, but what about us who like to have an idea, go to the section and browse around? I have frequently gone to the library with a vague idea of what I'm looking for and leaving with books for that topic, related topics and often just something that caught my eye. This "progress" undermines a lot of the value that a library presents.

    Besides, if I know exactly what I want, I can use my computer and Amazon to get most things without being inconvenienced with leaving my home or office.

    1. Re:Removes more than it adds by Haffner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a University of Chicago student, something that I think many people won't take into consideration here is how the library is geared toward the student body. The majority of students use the library as a place to work, rather than a place to get books. And honestly, as someone who does a fair amount of (economic) research, I don't even go to the library until I know what book I'm going to get (I have access to the online library catalog). I think most students view the new library as a cool new place to do work, rather than another place to find books at.

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    2. Re:Removes more than it adds by goodmanj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Keep in mind, this is not really a book library. UChicago says it will "primarily house materials like serials, periodicals, and other materials that are already online, as well as rare and fragile materials that should not be kept on open shelves"

      Which is to say, stuff you wouldn't go browsing for anyway.

  7. Re:And this is why tuition rates are out of contro by sackvillian · · Score: 4, Informative

    The library cost a hefty $81 million, but the alternative was expanding the old library's capacity - and that was estimated at $67 million. So for $14 million, the university gets a brand new library with all the prestige and sex appeal of this new, high-tech approach with lower operating costs to boot. And anyway, the library's namesakes donated $25million, an amount that was probably increased by the prospect of the donator's getting to slap their name all over this exciting new building. What I'm saying is that this was a no-brainer for the university in terms of cost/benefit.

    Now, whether you want to trade a building full of beautiful old books which you can peruse at your own convenience, and staffed with generally knowledgeable bibliophiles, for a mechanized building with 5-minute delay times on book requests and far fewer human employees... that's not so straightforward I hope.

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  8. How is this news? by Bugs42 · · Score: 2

    My alma mater (California State University, Northridge) has had one of these for over 15 years (http://library.csun.edu/About/ASRS). Sure it's cool, but why do we care? It's nothing new or groundbreaking.

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  9. Re:And this is why tuition rates are out of contro by toppavak · · Score: 5, Informative

    Indeed the long run the robotic library will be cheaper. My alma mater started construction on one just before I graduated and I heard a librarian talking about the new design. Robotic libraries allow a higher packing density (more books per cubic meter), save on climate control (no need to compensate for opening / closing doors, it's underground so well insulated, no windows), require far fewer lights (robots can work in the dark), reduce the number of employees needed to staff the place (a + or - depending on your point of view) among many other long-term cost-savings.

  10. Re:Choo Choo Ch'Boogie by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Nothing beats perusing physical media.

    As someone who's spent a lifetime in books, much of it spent in the University of Chicago's Regenstein as a matter of fact, I used to be a firm believer in the supremacy of physical books.

    My mother-in-law sent me a very nice eBook reader, and little by little I've really come to appreciate it. I can even take eBooks out of the public library.

    It's no good for musical scores, and I can't read it in bed with the lights low so I don't disturb my wife (eInk is not backlit), but I was shocked at how quickly the whole electronic reader thing became invisible to me and all I saw in front of me was the book. I've actually reached up to turn a page more than once before realizing all I had to do was thumb a little button.

    At less than $100 (I have a nook and my daughter has a Kobo which she bought for $69 at a Borders that was closing.

    I am extremely uncomfortable with the notion that eBooks will put my local bookseller out of business though. His recommendations are valued by me and he has never failed to get me those hard-to-find items I occasionally want. But I get the feeling the big chains are more of a danger to his business than eBooks. Many people will still prefer handling real books. I won't miss Borders and Barnes and Noble and other huge chains though.

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  11. Re:the library of the future by blair1q · · Score: 2

    Will be installed in your head at birth, and updated either on a schedule or manually, as you desire.

    Unless all available storage and bandwidth are taken up with virus definitions, that is.

  12. Re:And this is why tuition rates are out of contro by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

    It is very cool, but come on! People are struggling to afford college for their kids, and universities waste money like this?! Sorry, we have to raise tuition another 5%, we have to pay off this robotic library. And people complain about the oil companies...

    You have got to be kidding. This is exactly what Universities should be doing. Finding ways to preserve knowledge and make it available to whomever wants it. Until everything is digitized, this is a perfect way to make those books available in an as efficient a way possible. The students at the U of C are not about getting good grades and passing courses to get good jobs. They are about discovering and creating and investigating things that no one else has thought of yet. It's a research institution, not a tech school. And I wish we had more like it.

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  13. Death of the service industry? by grapeape · · Score: 2

    When manufacturing jobs started disappearing the comments from many were that everything was ok and that service related jobs would take their place, now the service related jobs seem to be going away too (McDonalds last week announced it was replacing cashiers with touch screen kiosks in 40,000 restaurants). What happens now? While I like progress and advancement in technology, it just doesn't seem to be very well thought out, if you eliminate jobs in the name of efficiency eventually you also end up eliminating a sizable portion of the customer base. You can have 100% efficiency but if there is no one left who can afford to buy what your selling your business is going to fail.

  14. Why does everyone need to go to college? by jeko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because Sarah Palin, that's why. Because Glenn Beck. Because Creationist Museums where people ride their pet dinosaurs. Because a large chunk of the US actually got excited about the world ending last Saturday. Because .02 cents is not .02 dollars. Because we're fighting two majors wars and a skirmish in three countries most US citizens can't find on a map.

    Because everyone gets to vote. Everyone needs to go to college?! If I had my way, college would be free and citizenship would require degrees in history, economics and science. Why on Earth wouldn't we want the electorate in charge of the largest supply of nuclear weapons on the planet to be as well educated as possible?

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  15. libraries are becoming thought control centers by decora · · Score: 2

    Old days:

    Step 1: slip into the library bored on a friday night
    Step 2: go find books on nuclear weapons, magic mushrooms, bizarre sex acts, medical anomalies, etc. read to your hearts content.

    New days:

    Step 1. login with your government provided username and password
    Step 2. click on the warning notice that says all your activity is monitored and unauthorized activity will be punished
    Step 3. search for stuff.
    Step 4. try to tell yourself that everything you search for is not being stored in some database somewhere. even though it is.
    Step 5. try to tell yourself that the government needs a warrant to pull your records. even though it doesn't.
    Step 6. try to tell yourself that the library administrators and university bosses didn't get any kickbacks from the IT vendor, and that the process was fair, efficient, and put the needs of the students first. even though it didn't.
    Step 7. search for a book on how the US has become an emasculated, impotent group of yes men and intellectual cowards

  16. Re:And this is why tuition rates are out of contro by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

    That's awfully convenient... for pretty much everyone but the students who need to browse through the stacks to do their research.

    The ability to browse is the reason I still go to bookstores and libraries, even though almost every book you'd ever want is available online.

    If you're browsing through stacks still, in this day and age, you're doing it wrong. In a world of databases and search functions, it's much more efficient to browse electronically, and request all the books you think are worth investigating. A well written search function, including related books (users who requested this book also requested X) would be much more useful than each individual having to manually perform the same search that 5,10,100 other people might have done.