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Australians Look To SkyNet For SKA Telescope

angry tapir writes "Key players behind the Australian-New Zealand joint bid to host the $2.1 billion Square Kilometre Array radio telescope will launch a grid Cloud computing initiative by September with the aim of harvesting the computing and storage power of desktops worldwide."

59 comments

  1. you know the drill by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new telescopic overlords.

    1. Re:you know the drill by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      So... They are reinventing Seti@Home? I guess there is a news here, but where?

    2. Re:you know the drill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not I. With Australia's anti-privacy policies, they can stay far away from my desktop.

    3. Re:you know the drill by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      Haven't these guys heard of suspend/hibernate, does anyone leave their computer on all the time anymore unless it's actually a server and has something to do? If they do they should really be asking themselves why.

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    4. Re:you know the drill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A more important question is: Why have a computer if it doesn't have anything to do?

  2. Your favourite troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot used to be the premier place for trolling before newfag sites like 4chan and reddit showed up. If you don't know what Hot Grits are or why BSD is dead, you are not a real troll.

    Also Gnome 3 and Unity has made Linux users commit suicide.

  3. Can we quit the Skynet references? by syousef · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can we quit the Skynet references? Please?

    We've had distributed computer networks for decades now. We've used them for scientific research for as long as we have had them. "Cloud" computing is just marketing nonsense. Not every distributed network is some global monster that's going to go sentient and send our killer robots. When so many stories mention the Terminator series, we all sound like pathetic geeky children with too much time on our hands and no sense of originality. Doubly so when it's in the title. Is there a new Terminator film or series just out or something?

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    1. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, seriously. I mean, in this article we've also got the SKA telescope! That should be ripe with third-wave references!

    2. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the Terminator recently admitted to being someone's father, which caused a knot in the Sci-Fi space-time continuum...

    3. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by baker_tony · · Score: 1

      Yeah, skynet references have jumped the shark...

    4. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When so many stories mention the Terminator series, we all sound like pathetic geeky children with too much time on our hands and no sense of originality

      All together now... You must be new here

    5. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read the article (I know, I know), you find that "skynet" is what the researchers are calling it. But there's a good chance that they're also slashdotters, and share the same childish sense of humour.

    6. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we quit the Skynet references? Please?

      Not every distributed network is some global monster that's going to go sentient and send our killer robots.

      ...but only Skynet is going to go sentient and send out killer robots to the past!

    7. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      >> Not every distributed network is some global monster that's going to go sentient and send our killer robots.

      That may be true, but the problem is that we can't easily discern which ones will. Therefore, in the interest of Mankind's survival, we distrust them all, "cloud" and "peer-to-peer" alike.

                  -dZ.

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    8. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who peed in your wheaties this morning? Some people just want to have a little fun. Who are you to tell them that they can't bring a little humor to the day?

      No sense of originality, you say? Let's see you do something better. What? You can't? Then shut the hell up.

    9. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Madness! Can't we take One Step Beyond all this nonsense?

    10. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, we can't. This is Slashdot where dead memes go to die.... again and again and again.
       
      Of course, no one cares that it makes the site look like a total joke to all but the G4 crowd.

    11. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      Only someone working for Skynet would deny the existence of Skynet. Nice try, comrade.

      .

    12. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jumping the shark has jumped the shark.

    13. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by zaxus · · Score: 3, Funny

      No Doubt third wave references will show up. That's the Impression that I Get, anyway...

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    14. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why sir, is that a gordion knot in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?

    15. Re:Can we quit the Skynet references? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh hai, btw the caek is a lie

  4. BOINC by Arador+Aristata · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "harvesting the computing and storage power of desktops worldwide." Oh cool, you mean like BOINC has been doing for ages......

    1. Re:BOINC by dkf · · Score: 1

      Oh cool, you mean like BOINC has been doing for ages......

      If they've got any sense, they'll use BOINC as the platform. (Remember, the story's been filtered by know-nothing journalists.)

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    2. Re:BOINC by Push+Latency · · Score: 2

      If I understand correctly, this project would use Nereus-V instead of BOINC. The former transmits data through a Web browser, where the latter does so using the BOINC client. I can't say more because I don't really see how those are much different at the end of the day, but with Nereus, you connect to projects over HTTP, which they argue is easier for users than launching a pre-configured native client.

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  6. Shut up vlad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a wannabe troll

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  8. Re:This is fucking Gay by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    what's that make me? i'm australian and a /.er

  9. Re:This is fucking Gay by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

    i think one reverses the other, i'm not sure what the modifier is for being actually gay though.

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  10. forget space, where's...... by the+simurgh · · Score: 2

    i say we stop this space watching crap and get down to whats really important. WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PERSONAL JET PACKS???

    1. Re:forget space, where's...... by dakameleon · · Score: 2

      In SPACE. Where we are LOOKING FOR THEM.

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    2. Re:forget space, where's...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Space space wanna go to space. Space. Space. Hey. Hey. Hey lady. Hey lady. Space.

  11. Re:FORGET grid computing by dakameleon · · Score: 2

    fondling@home is already available to a wide, wide population... it's what the internet is for, after all.

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  12. Not cloud computing by Zouden · · Score: 1

    Come on, get your buzzwords right. Cloud computing is when much of the processing is done on remote servers (the "cloud"). Distributed computing is when the processing is done by ordinary desktops worldwide. That's what this is. The article makes this mistake several times, but it's not entirely their fault. The system is called the "Nereus V Cloud" despite clearly being a distributed computing program.

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    1. Re:Not cloud computing by qc_dk · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with you that this buzzword bingo has to stop.
      However you seem to also have messed up the terminology a bit. :)

      Cloud computing refers to provisioning of resources across the network normally using virtual machines. You retain "full" control of the machine. Cloud computing could be used for distributed computing.

      Grid computing is the connection of supercomputers across the world. This involves things like handling access rights, policies, accounting etc.

      Parallel computation involves the computation of a problem spread out over several processors.

      Distributed computing is like parallel computation, but distributed across several machines. It therefore has to take into account things such as network latencies, machine failures etc.

      Volunteer Computing involves harnessing the power of resources donated by the public. This can be a form of distributed computing, but not necessarily. BOINC is a good example of this.

      Their project obviously falls into the last category, and has nothing to do with either Grid or Cloud. Their main difference from BOINC is the ability to run directly in the browser. This is hardly a new idea, and I remember projects like this from at least back in 2003. As far as I can see from the documentation, software such as MiG has been able to do all they do and much more since 2005. I'm a bit disappointed that Oxford Uni is not more innovative and get the terminology wrong, but it is the Physics department so let's cut them some slack. :)

      Disclaimer: I'm a researcher in distributed computing particularly Grid and Volunteer Computing.

    2. Re:Not cloud computing by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      Apart from that, there are no clouds in space.

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  13. bitcoin by android.dreamer · · Score: 0

    I guess I won't be able to earn some bitcoin [1] from this? Oh well! Worth finding aliens, but to be honest, quantum communication is probably the best way to communicate with advanced civilizations. Our best chance of finding alien life at the moment is probably bacterial on Enceladus [2].

    In 2005, the Cassini spacecraft performed several close flybys of Enceladus, revealing the moon's surface and environment in greater detail. In particular, the probe discovered a water-rich plume venting from the moon's south polar region. This discovery, along with the presence of escaping internal heat and very few (if any) impact craters in the south polar region, shows that Enceladus is geologically active today. Moons in the extensive satellite systems of gas giants often become trapped in orbital resonances that lead to forced libration or orbital eccentricity; proximity to the planet can then lead to tidal heating of the satellite's interior, offering a possible explanation for the activity.

    Enceladus is one of only three outer solar system bodies (along with Jupiter's moon Io and Neptune's moon Triton) where active eruptions have been observed. Analysis of the outgassing suggests that it originates from a body of sub-surface liquid water, which along with the unique chemistry found in the plume, has fueled speculations that Enceladus may be important in the study of astrobiology

    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

    [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enceladus_(moon)

    1. Re:bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      quantum communication is probably the best way to communicate with advanced civilizations

      This is almost certainly false. The kind of low temperatures and system isolation needed to prevent decoherence makes quantum information very fragile. An alien civilization will definitely not get the interpretation of a message right (or at all) the first time, so such a message needs to be durable enough for their scientists to examine. Quantum systems do not have this property.

  14. Re:The Skankaroos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    $2.1 billion for Ska? That's just Madness.

  15. The other county in the bid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The other county in the bid is South Africa. I wonder whether the cloud computing service would still be available if Australia/NZ win the bid? Or is this the nail in the coffin of the South African bid? In terms of astronomy and vast empty spaces, SA's on top of the game, but in terms of computing and bandwidth, they just can't compete. Well played!

  16. www.bananadvd.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thank you.

  17. SKA by Nigel+Stepp · · Score: 1

    The telescope was originally going to be called "Save Ferris", but they couldn't work out the acronym.

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  18. Im happy.. by philmarcracken · · Score: 2

    Since the SKA was going to be built close to my town of Geraldton(300kms is close in aussie terms) we got non-monopoly controlled backhaul fibre at our exchange quicker. Its also going to be part of the FTTH network eventually so two birds with 1 cable.. Not that last mile is going in the ground anytime soon but hey, progress.

  19. SKA telescope? by Raging+Bool · · Score: 1

    What complete and utter madness....

  20. These guys.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sigh

    As someone who goes to the ever-so underfunded school of CS at UWA, it's not fun to see this stuff at all. ICRAR, iVEC and WASP (to a lesser extent) are the trifecta of magic-budget cosmic supercomputer circlejerking who have bought and never used some very nice pieces of supercomputing equipment. There's a GPU cluster of tesla rackmounts that was installed recently which is left depreciating since nobody's using them.

    Flights of fancy in terms of ideas, a budget that appears out of thin air and it's a minute walk away from where I have to study in adversity. It's like watching that douche who hypes himself up and somehow actually gets rich from doing nothing.

    Thanks, ICRAR.. it's not like I could have had the lecturers who were let go a few years ago with that money instead of watching you plunder it.

  21. Well, it sounds like this SKA telescope.... by RevWaldo · · Score: 2

    ...is going (sunglasses) one step beyond.

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    1. Re:Well, it sounds like this SKA telescope.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  22. Re:The Skankaroos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bah, worry tomorrow. Today Lets Go Bowling.

  23. harvest my computing power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am i getting paid for being harvested? if not, screw you!!!

  24. Re:FORGET grid computing by dbIII · · Score: 1

    we must make fondling@home available to a wider population

    Supposedly it has the only truly intuitive interface.

  25. yay it mentions Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am so proud. I want to post it on slashdot so others can see what a wonderful country Australia is.

  26. you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    could buy a lot of hard drives for 2 billion dollars.

  27. So then... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    A megalomaniac consortium of robots is going to give Australia a telescope that plays Jamaican music? I'm confused...

  28. SKA is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one listens to SKA anymore.