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DNS Heavyweights Raise Concern Over DNS Filtering
penciling_in writes "A group of DNS heavyweights have released a paper detailing serious concerns over the proposed DNS filtering requirements included as part of the bill recently introduced in the US Senate named Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011 (PROTECT IP Act). The group which includes Paul Vixie, Dan Kaminsky, Steve Crocker, David Dagon and Danny McPherson, have detailed several serious technical and security concerns in the event that the mandated DNS filtering is enacted into law. Dan Kaminsky says: 'There are efforts afoot to manipulate the DNS on a remarkably large scale. The American PROTECT IP act contains several reasonable and well targeted remedies to copyright infringement. One of these remedies, however, is to leverage the millions of recursive DNS servers that act as accelerators for Internet traffic, and convert them into censors for domain names in an effort to block content.'"
Didn't anyone warn them that just blocking a domain name doesn't work?
Extreme Programming - Redundant Array of Inexpensive Developers
And what's to stop people from using a DNS server that's outside the US? Or even just punching in the IP address directly?
I guess it's time to get a read done of this nonsense and the see if I can't straighten my own elected officials out about how the tech works... *sigh*
Great... it's the HOSTS file spamming nutcase again.
great firewall of america?
I think you greatly overestimate the technological literacy of the average American. Most people aren't going to have a clue how to change their DNS servers, but even for those who do understand how to get around such restrictions, this is still disturbing. This is just a way for government to get its foot in the door. Soon, they'll be mandating to ISPs which DNS servers their clients are allowed to use, and what IP ranges are 'legal' to access on the internet. Maybe I should just take off the tinfoil hat and relax, but I can't see how government getting involved in legislating the internet in ANY way is a good thing.
It's time to move away from centralized DNS, we can't leave the internet in the hands of the government. We need a compatible distributed DNS system.
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Please be aware that copyright infringement is illegal. A copyright enforcement specialist will be contacting you shortly to schedule your mandatory attendance to one of our copyright education seminars.
Is the "best you've got" an ad hominem attack, in poorly attempting to attack MYSELF, rather than the 20++ points I listed with backing facts behind them?
* Apparently so...
Fact is?? You're the one with "delusions of grandeur" thinking you're the "/. 'SiDeWaLk-PsYcHoAnALySt" around here (see my p.s. below in regards to that much especially).
APK
P.S.=> That said? Do you have:
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1.) A PHD in Psychiatry to your name/credit?
2.) A license to practice it professionally??
3.) Years-to-Decades of professional experience in the field of psychiatry???
4.) A formal examination of myself in a professional environs to make your "instant snap prognosis" of my alleged mental state according to you, the "/. SiDeWaLk PsYcHo-AnALySt"????
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No to ALL/EACH of the above????? Well, then no small wonder WHY you troll me anonymously - you're LIBELLING me!
Well, that "all said & aside" - LMAO @ U, troll!
... apk
>Great... it's the HOSTS file spamming nutcase again.
I would say we should block him, but if he's using a HOSTS file, DNS Censorship won't work.
We need a different solution. Content-based censorship, maybe? That would work. More intrusive though.
*sigh* why does protecting liberties always mean protecting nutcases?
a HOSTS-tard.
I'm curious how often the HOSTS-tard updates the hundreds of millions of entries in his gigabytes-large HOSTS file
They don't matter. They haven't paid the requisite Campaign Contribution necessary for their opinions to be considered.
And where can I apply?
This root key would have to be generated and signed in some kind of ceremony, maybe with people wearing viking hats and carrying swords and torches, and the resulting public validation key would have to be published on the web and managed according to RFC 5011 so that it can roll forward throughout all time. Videos from this ceremony would go up on YouTube.
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20110318_on_mandated_content_blocking_in_the_domain_name_system/
Well, y'all can stop worrying now. It appears the Protect IP bill won't even be making it to the senate floor, thanks to Senator Ron Wyden (Ore). Check out the story over on Ars http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/sen-ron-wyden-to-place-a-hold-on-the-protect-ip-act.ars
Sending spam is legal, ethical, and basically a good thing
Cool thing is, you can refer to everything on the internet with your own naming convention.
/etc/hosts
for foo in `seq 0 255`; do
for bar in `seq 0 255`; do
for bin in `seq 0 255`; do
for baz in `seq 0 255`; do
echo "$foo.$bar.$bin.$baz www${RANDOM}"; >>
done
done
done
done
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P.R.O.T.E.C.T How much time and money is wasted on just coming up with an acronym like that?
MISSING - Sig file. 2 years old black and white and very funny. If found please email me.
"You ARE a spamming nutbag" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage
Oh, really? Do you have your:
I'll play for a second, because I have time; none of your professional accreditations impress me. I've known many people who have had similar and some of them impressed me and some didn't.
You have retreated into psuedo-anonymity, but still sign your comments to feed your ego. You can see that the community does not want to see what you have to say but persist anyway; your theatrical text culminating in "That's right I am RIGHT... always am!" underscores your self-importance. If the community is uninterested enough in what you have to say to score you down consistently such that you must post as an AC to express your message, then perhaps you are simply sharing sociopathy with the rest of us? In my experience, the lunatics are on both sides of the straitjackets. What is the current phase of your moon?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
How long before control of the Internet moves out of the US?
I can't see anyone else putting up with this, which means that root DNS servers or a competing technology will end up supporting the Internet from somewhere outside the US.
The US is well on it's way to becoming an environment hostile to business (and to it's own people). At least in Soviet Russia the people had the good sense to realize that they were being manipulated.
Does this mean that if I have a HOSTS file, I have to filter through it, too?
What if that HOSTS file is for an enterprise?
What if that HOSTS file is published on the Internet for others to use?
What about Ad-Blocking software that uses a system like HOSTS? If it is capable of blocking DNS, will it then be required to block censored hosts as well?
What about VPN? Which side of the connection is reponsible?
What about Cache? Will there be a mandate that all DNS cache's everywhere only last for X amount of hours?
Beyond the level of the ISP, this presents an unworkable situation if any of these start applying to individuals, publishers (can free speech protect the publication of a HOSTS file, if so, why does it not protect a DNS server?), small organizations. The problem isn't just that this is wrong, but it's completely unworkable. It requires a very intrusive and extensive hack of the entire system currently in place, affecting everything from the router to the PC to the cellphone... unless, of course, the government runs its own firewall/dns that everyone shares, just like China.
I8-D
What a joke PROTECT IP is. Going after DNS just like blaming cities because the traffic light system doesn't prevent speeding.
Yeah, good luck. We went from Net Neutrality to this! With Net Neutrality they were saying, "Oh, leave it alone, it works fine. Don't force companies to not favor one site over another with premium QOS bandwidth." Now they're saying, "Stick it deep, as deep as possible, into the core of the Internet itself and control it all one record at a time!"
Where are the Libertarians railing against Net Neutrality when you need them to rail against this? If any of you are one, I hope you bring this comparison up LOUD and CLEAR to anti-net neutrality people who are now siding with DNS censoring that they are hypocrites. Either you mean it when you say you are hands off, or you don't.
I8-D
Oh cool, another US IT stimulation bill for Canada and Mexico.
Congratulations. The US Senate has just guaranteed that the DNS will fracture. Nice going guys and gals. :(
Don't stop where the ink does.
Do you have that M.D.?? Well???
(Hell no, and we ALL know it!)
APK
P.S.=> So much for the "pseudo-experts" on /., eh, what with their "wannabe sidewalk-shrink" tactics... lol! apk
Between your writing style, unwillingness to log in and be moderated, and your insistence on ignoring what was actually said for what you want to read, you have made yourself the Slashdot equivalent of a street person on the corner jumping up and down, foaming at the mouth, and screaming that The End is Nigh with one hand down your pants and the other flailing incoherently at arm's length at all times.
If you don't see that your persistence in the face of this situation makes you a nut, you're utterly hopeless.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
“In December of last year I placed a hold on similar legislation, commonly called COICA, because I felt the costs of the legislation far outweighed the benefits. After careful analysis of the Protect IP Act, or PIPA, I am compelled to draw the same conclusion. I understand and agree with the goal of the legislation, to protect intellectual property and combat commerce in counterfeit goods, but I am not willing to muzzle speech and stifle innovation and economic growth to achieve this objective. At the expense of legitimate commerce, PIPA’s prescription takes an overreaching approach to policing the Internet when a more balanced and targeted approach would be more effective. The collateral damage of this approach is speech, innovation and the very integrity of the Internet.
"The Internet represents the shipping lane of the 21st century. It is increasingly in America’s economic interest to ensure that the Internet is a viable means for American innovation, commerce, and the advancement of our ideals that empower people all around the world. By ceding control of the Internet to corporations through a private right of action, and to government agencies that do not sufficiently understand and value the Internet, PIPA represents a threat to our economic future and to our international objectives. Until the many issues that I and others have raised with this legislation are addressed, I will object to a unanimous consent request to proceed to the legislation."
"You want to know how to help your kids? Leave them the fuck alone." -George Carlin
APK, you're awesome
Nah, you're just an idiot trying to look like you know something. Sadly, glomming together bits and pieces of things you've heard here and there into walls of text - the SAME walls of text you repeat verbatim every chance you get... does not make you look smart. It makes you look like a total moronic idiot. Just figured you should know that before you repeat this nonsense the next time DNS, security, malware or whatever else comes up and you get the idea to repost the same wall-o-text post as the last few times.
But at least you were smart enough to not log in so as not to damage your karma.
StarTrekPhase2 - The Five Year Mission Continues!
You editors (in the not-slashot-world) would have checked the submitted link and have seen Vixie's blog post on circleid about this...
Why not include this into the soup so there is some meat and appeal?
Yeah, forgot, slashdot isn't about content or comment-quality anymore...
On Mandated Content Blocking in the Domain Name System by Paul Vixie.
Another facet that wasn't mentioned in the paper is that as America attempts to legislate the internet so that the mega rich can become ultra rich, we simply remove ourselves from meaningful discussion about the problem and social view of file sharing.
As a security buff i learned from experience that while the "rules" if examined presented my ideal view of the world, or let others know whats actually important to me, my logs function as a mirror, telling me how things actually looked.
On behalf of the mega rich, the mega powerful are attempting to create a rule that says this transaction shouldn't happen, but the logs tell us that the general population in no way shape or form shares this view of the world.
If it was viewed as say child porn, in which the vast majority of the user community sees the issue in much the same manner as the rulemakers you get a set of logs that indicate that this view is shared and a small set of transgressions presented in the logs..
this is not so in the case of file sharing, hence, a waste of time and effort, the file sharing medium will change, the methods will change, but the desire will not
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My goodness. We aren't trying to attack your comments on HOSTS files. We really don't care that much and most of us agree with your points. What we are trying to do is get you to shut up and go away because you, personally, are annoying.
Per the technically unjustified down moderation of the post I replied to here. No disproving my points in my initial posting, but instead stupidity. Effete stupidity!
I mean, lol: Between that and the ad hominem illogical off topic attacks that the true AC cowards and others like drinkypoo had to admit I was correct on?
Says it all!
APK
P.S.=> IF the best you have is a technically unjustified mod down boys, alongside illogical off topic adhominem attacks on myself? U FAIL, and you KNOW it... badly!
This? This was, as-per-my-usual, vs. the "idiot savant" wannabe "SiDeWaLk-PsyChOAnALySts" of /., just "too, Too, TOO EASY", just '2EZ'... lol! apk
And, that's valid grounds for down moderation, now isn't it? As far as THIS from you? LMAO:
"We aren't trying to attack your comments on HOSTS files." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 26, @03:56PM (#36255086)
I know that, because YOU CAN'T - they are SOLID! Instead, you not only go "off topic" but also use illogical ad hominem attacks!
(Piss poor that, lol, along with down moderating my initial post on 20 points in favor of HOSTS files over DNS servers & their problems, + the shortcomings of AdBlock too! Talk about WEAK/EFFETE, lol!)
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"We really don't care that much and most of us agree with your points." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 26, @03:56PM (#36255086)
Then why attack ME personally, adhominem illogical off topic style?
You're only annoyed because I make utter fools of you all in every post you make, off topic & ad hominem illogical loaded as your replies are.
You're obviously NOT very intelligent & keep repeating the SAME mistake over & over again (some define THAT as insane you know)... expecting diff. results on your end, only to FAIL even more.
APK
P.S.=> Troll, you FAIL, and you KNOW it... lol, & this, as per my usual?? Well, gotta say it again, for "posterities' sake":
It was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'"!
... apk
See, I have no problem with your technical analysis, but with your presentation. I don't think you should be chased off of slashdot. I do think you should be regarded based on your behavior.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You even ADMIT it here in this quote from you:
"YES. Yes, it is." - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @04:32PM (#36255676) Homepage
Now, as far as people downmodding my points on HOSTS files here, as you said they do "consistently"? Well, again (2nd time I have posted this evidence to the contrary of your off topic & often libelous adhominem attacks you direct MY way), to THAT??
"If the community is uninterested enough in what you have to say to score you down consistently" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:59PM (#36253548) Homepage
Ok then: NOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN SHOWN SAYING THAT? Well - See these, vs. your statement I requote, again, then!
(15 posts of mine on HOSTS that have done well, drinkypoo, vs. your saying the community here doesn't like them, & consistently downmods them (quoted below from you)):
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HOSTS MOD UP -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1490078&cid=30555632
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1869638&cid=34237268
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30272074
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28197285
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206409&cid=27661983
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1725068&cid=32960808
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1743902&cid=33147274
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1913212&cid=34576182
HOSTS MOD UP -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1530066&cid=30965192
HOSTS MOD UP with facebook known bad sites blocked -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1924892&cid=34670128
HOSTS FILE MOD UP FOR ANDROID MALWARE -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952
HOSTS FILE MOD UP vs ANDROID MALWARE -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952
HOSTS MOD UP ZEUSTRACKER -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2059420&cid=35654066
HOSTS MOD UP vs AT&T BANDWIDTH CAP -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2116504&cid=35985584
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So much for THAT from you, eh, drinkypoo! You clearly don't *THINK* before you speak... between THAT & the off topic illogical adhominem attacks you directed my way here?? Please... show SOME sign of intelligence, won't you???
Oh, see below in my 'p.s.' too!
I would listen to Kaminsky, the man saved the internet from DNS vulnerability just a few years ago when he discovered the flaw in DNS and came up with a patch and solution to the issue. So I guarantee he knows more about DNS and security then Congress and the greedy and annoying RIAA.
Just because you are wrong and I called you out on it doesn't mean I am a Troll.
And, FAR MORE (I use them & type s into my browser's address bar for this very site in fact, lol!)... Anyhow/anyways - you may find THIS, interesting!
Check this out:
(Especially after the 'trolling' I got on my init. post on this here today in this article's replies in fact, with nobody able to disprove a SINGLE ONE of the points below, here -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188228&cid=36252736 )
20++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK ALONE for added layered security:
1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).
2.) Bad news: ADBLOCK CAN BE DETECTED FOR: See here on that note -> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
HOSTS files are NOT BLOCKABLE by websites, as was tried on users by ARSTECHNICA (and it worked, proving HOSTS files are a better solution for this because they cannot be blocked & detected for, in that manner), to that websites' users' dismay:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT FROM ARSTECHNICA THEMSELVES:
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An experiment gone wrong - By Ken Fisher | Last updated March 6, 2010 11:11 AM
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars
"Starting late Friday afternoon we conducted a 12 hour experiment to see if it would be possible to simply make content disappear for visitors who were using a very popular ad blocking tool. Technologically, it was a success in that it worked. Ad blockers, and only ad blockers, couldn't see our content."
and
"Our experiment is over, and we're glad we did it because it led to us learning that we needed to communicate our point of view every once in a while. Sure, some people told us we deserved to die in a fire. But that's the Internet!"
Thus, as you can see? Well - THAT all "went over like a lead balloon" with their users in other words, because Arstechnica was forced to change it back to the old way where ADBLOCK still could work to do its job (REDDIT however, has not, for example). However/Again - this is proof that HOSTS files can still do the job, blocking potentially malscripted ads (or ads in general because they slow you down) vs. adblockers like ADBLOCK!
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3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.
4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 4-7 next below).
5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via NSLOOKUP, PINGS, &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).
6.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites rel
I've ALREADY made utter fools of my "naysayers" here on this topic already:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188228&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=36252736
How much more abuse can you heap on yourselves, what with this technically unjustified mod down, trolls??
APK
P.S.=> To quote Sgt. Barnes from the classic film "PLATOON"? Well, here goes (to whoever did the cowardly little mod down of my reply to a user asking about HOSTS files):
"I shit on all of you"...
The funniest part is, you do THAT MUCH, for me - as seen in the URL above I posted!
(Especially via cowardly 'hit & run' downmods with no technical justifications as was done here to myself, and to all the adhominem off topic trolling crap I had to deal with in the URL above!)
You have, NO BALLS, cowards... none!
You can't point out any technical mistakes I may have made either (on things "computing"/technical issues in points I made) - no, all you have? Is effete coward's tactics, nothing more, and you KNOW it!
... apk
We simply need a new URI scheme. Let us link to a name that is not in the "central root" of the DNS.
dig:nameserver.example.com;http://mywebsite.lol
Use the normal DNS root to bootstrap names of nameservers.
Yup, idiot with good copy/paste skills "telling" us nothing we don't already know. :-)
And here ya go! One more post to reply to with another wall-o-copy-paste-text! It's a shame you're so stupid you can't even post your own ideas. So, hope you enjoy this opportunity to yet again reply with a buncha magazine and website listings with little summaries attached to about stuff you dont understand.
You forget ADK, some of us know who you are. You like pretending to have functioning brain matter, but we know you really don't. It's a shame that since you got pushed off your favorite forum, you decided to come here to try to look smart. It's not working. Grow up already - or at least find someplace else to try.
StarTrekPhase2 - The Five Year Mission Continues!
First, I have proofs what's in my init. post are my ideas (only backed with quotes of others, such as Mr. Oliver Day, but if you actually had READ that? You'd see he mentions he read about HOSTS in the early to mid 90's, & I have proofs of myself posting on HOSTS back then in the same paragraphs in my init. reply where I feature his backing my statements (and, his article is from 2009 iirc, mind you - MUCH later than my words cited from 1997-2001)):
"Yup, idiot with good copy/paste skills "telling" us nothing we don't already know. :-) " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
And, you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll that hasn't done jack shit by comparison to myself in this field... period, and YOU KNOW IT. Prove otherwise, goofy!
I don't post it for folks that already KNOW about HOSTS files benefits - I post it for those THAT DON'T (so they too can gain by them).
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"And here ya go! One more post to reply to with another wall-o-copy-paste-text! " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
And, here we go: Another trolling off topic reply replete with effete adhominem illogical attacks on myself, & from of ALL people? A fucking "ne'er-do-well" nobody like you, lol!
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"It's a shame you're so stupid you can't even post your own ideas. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
LMAO - see my first part of this reply, 1st paragraph about your 1st quoted words... & "EAT YOUR WORDS" Mr. "ne'er-do-well" nobody, ok?
(SO: Tell us, lol - How do they taste, now that they're flavored with the "bitter taste of YOUR defeat"??)
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"So, hope you enjoy this opportunity to yet again reply with a buncha magazine and website listings with little summaries attached to about stuff you dont understand. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
No, iirc? You're the one I posted just a SMALL FRACTION of the times I've been actually featured in respected magazines, books, trade shows & more in the art and science of computing... you know: The THINGS YOU'VE NEVER DONE, & NEVER WILL (Because you're just another dime-a-dozen "ne'er-do-well" nobody/nothing).
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"You forget ADK, some of us know who you are. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
Great, so I am known... but you? By way of comparison?? Like I kept saying above: You're a "Ne'er-Do-Well NOBODY/NOTHING" & you KNOW it.
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"You like pretending to have functioning brain matter, but we know you really don't. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
Quit projecting YOUR OWN FAULTS, onto me, loser... ok? It's NOT MY FAULT you're nothing but a "ne'er-do-well" nobody/nothing!
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"It's a shame that since you got pushed off your favorite forum, you decided to come here to try to look smart. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
What forums are you TALKING about? I don't have a "favorite forums" & I never have... and?? Thanks for the slip in saying I am 'smart' because compared to you & the "trolling 'ne-er-do-well' likes of YOU"??? Bacteria is intelligent.
"It's not working. Grow up already - or at least find someplace else to try. " - by RobertM1968 (951074) on Thursday May 26, @10:40PM (#36259148) Homepage
Sorry - I don't take advice from "ne'er-do-well's" like yourself...
APK
You are nothing more than a failure in computing, with allegedly over 20 yrs. of time around computers and the BEST you can manage is to be a techie, AND, the company you worked for folded too? Says worlds about your 'L33T3 skillz', eh?? A company full of failures, like yourself, is bound to fail. You're nothing more than a done nothing with himself Long Island LOSER, and you know it. The techie is the lowest of the low in computing and you couldn't go above that level? Hahahaha. Unbelievable. No wonder you've never accomplished anything others noted as good: You're too damned stupid obviously, and limited (both mentally and skillset-wise).
APK