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DoD Paper Proposes National Security Through a Culture of Restraint (and Stigma)

decora writes "An SAIC analyst has written a paper [PDF] calling for the 'stigmatization' of the 'unattractive' types who tend to discuss government secrets in public. The plan, described in the Naval Postgraduate School Homeland Security Affairs journal, is to promote self-censorship as a 'civic duty'. Who needs to censor themselves? Amateur enthusiasts who describe satellite orbits, scientists who describe threats to the food supply, graduate students mapping the internet, the Government Accountability Office, which publishes failure reports on the TSA, the US Geologic Survey, which publishes surface water information, newspapers (the New York Times), TV shows, journalism websites, anti-secrecy websites, and even security author Bruce Schneier, to name a few."

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  1. Sounds rather un-american by similar_name · · Score: 5, Funny

    self-censorship as a 'civic duty'

    I'm speechless.

    1. Re:Sounds rather un-american by guibaby · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes,

      But do you feel a duty to remain speechless?

      --
      Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels.
    2. Re:Sounds rather un-american by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Funny

      I couldn't say.

  2. Shorter solution by mbone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's stigmatize SAIC analysts who have internalized the mind-set of the Soviet Union.

    It will save lots of time in the long run.

  3. In Other Words by bky1701 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The United States government is so corrupt that the only way they see it surviving is to use 1984 as a howto manual.

    As an American (hopefully not for that much longer), this is shameful. Every so-called patriot should be fighting against censorship and spying, in every form, yet both the "small government" republicans and "progressive" democrats are for this kind of crap.

    Welcome to the road to a third-world banana republic, America.

  4. Turn the tables on them! by bdsesq · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about a culture where attempting to stigmatize people for your own gain is looked on as bad?
    Or one where openness and freedom of speech is looked upon as helpful?

    Does anyone with more than a room temperature IQ think the "bad guys" don't know the satellite orbits?

  5. Leaking = snitching. by elucido · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Snitching = bad. Right?

    It's not hard to stigmatize snitching. It's already universally recognized as bad by everybody who doesn't work for government and who isn't a cop. And the cops only think it's good when the snitches are working for them. So basically governments don't like being snitched on, but so what? Governments are the ones funding the informants and snitching by offering prizes in cash to the biggest leaker/informant/snitch.

    And governments don't have a problem trying to use morality to convince people it's right to leak when it's to them. Suddenly it's your civic duty to help the FBI solve it's crimes, or to turn on your friend to help law enforcement, but if it's the other way around and someone within the FBI reports crimes going on to the media, suddenly it's snitching again.

    It's the blue code of silence. So we have to decide whether or not leaking = snitching.
    If leaking != snitching, then why would leaking be wrong? Why should any of us care about government agendas if we don't work for them?

    Why should Bruce or Bob or Alice care about the governments private agenda? We don't know about it, so we don't have any responsibility. Also we haven't taken an oath. And finally, it's a matter of does the government care about the agenda of individuals when they are out to make arrests or conduct whatever operations? I highly doubt they would.

    So lets have the debate. How much leaking is too much? When does leaking become snitching? And what are the effects of a leak or snitch culture vs a culture of secrecy? It's not like these questions have been fully discussed. So lets ask them.

  6. authenticated cowardice by 10am-bedtime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Kind of opposite of "anonymous coward" is the "authenticated coward", which is what this "culture of restraint" will encourage. You are someone only if you don't say anything. Anyone who says something (not officially condoned) is a persona non grata.

    Yuck! Someone tag this Do Not Want, please.

  7. Better solution by gman003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about we get a culture where things don't have to be leaked? Almost everyone who leaks something is doing so to attract public attention to a problem those responsible refuse to solve. If you institute a culture of "if someone brings a serious problem to your attention, you fix it, regardless of what it does to your bottom line or to your dignity", then leaking never needs to happen.

    PS: Yes, I saw some of the bizarrely paranoid things they suggest self-censorship for. That's just their culture of paranoia kicking in.

  8. Re:Is this for real? by Seumas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What choice do you have? The machinery of aristocracy and control is well beyond the need for your support. They're self-sustaining and the level of corruption in all aspects of government and politics so unbelievably extensive and deep and convoluted that there is no way to simply excise the foreign tissue by itself.

    Naomi Wolf does a great job of describing the process that seems to be occurring right now (including this event) in her book "The End of America".

    I mean, we live in a country where our president's (last president) family did extensive business with the family of the man that killed thousands of Americans. We live in a country where government officials who are employees of Goldman Sachs take a trillion dollars from the tax payers to bail out Goldman Sachs. We live in a country where our president appoints Ken Lay as energy advisor to deregulate his own industry on his own terms. We live in a country where we allow our government to pass bills that allow the president to point at a citizen and make them disappear. Off to gitmo for torture, if he wants. Without representation or a trial. We live in a country where judges are paid off in millions of dollars by the private prison industry to fuel their business by unfairly punishing minor juvenile violators with many months in juvenile detention (google it - in Pennsylvania).

    It's probably not too late to force change, but by the time you could ever even remotely possibly convince enough of the population to give a flying fuck and get their heads out of their Bible and Twilight or their "durr durr abortion" and "durr durr immigration" and "durr durr religion" bullshit to actually do something about the real problems facing us, it'll definitely be too fucking late.

  9. Re:tags by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I guess Matt Blaze won't fit into this brave, new world, Mr. and Mrs. AmeriKKKa.

    This is a proposal for better security through psychological denial and cognitive dissonance.

    As such, it fulfils the "Ignorance is Strength" part of the equation, which already has it's "War is Peace" and "Freedom is Slavery" components well under way. So begins the formalisation of thoughtcrime - through state promotion of doublethink.

    The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink. Doublethink is basically the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

    -- Part II, Chapter IX - The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  10. Troll Article by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A single analyst at a private company writes a paper, and now everyone pretends that it is the official policy of the US Government, 'cause by golly, we haven't had our two minutes hate yet today, and we need something to be outraged over!

    1. Re:Troll Article by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Informative

      SAIC is not exactly your typical private company. Like many such contracting companies, it's essentially a quasi-private arm of the US government, and it's deeply tied in with (among other things) the intelligence community. We should take this paper just as seriously as if, say, a CIA analyst had written it.

      --
      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
    2. Re:Troll Article by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > A single analyst at a private company in the employ of the United States government

      There -- fixed that for you. It does not have to be policy for it to be an affront to the sovereign citizens of this nation. It is an affront for our government to use our money to finance research into social manipulation -- particularly when the targets of that social manipulation include dissent regarding the operation of government programs.

      > 'cause by golly, we haven't had our two minutes hate yet today, and we need something to be outraged over!

      I am not sure if you are being serious, as that is a sterling example of using social stigma to suppress dissent. But I will respond to your statement as though it is a genuine supposition and not a mere caricature of the very topic under debate:

      What should strike you as more despicable is that at least two minutes worth of such offenses against our nation happen every day. This nation was founded on dissent, by dissenters, with the express purpose of encouraging and facilitating dissent as expressed in great detail in the Declaration and Constitution. That those sworn to defend those principles are instead using taxpayer money to fund research into the suppression of dissent is anathema to This Grand Experiment.

  11. Re:tags by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We can avoid the possibility of terrorists trying to destroy a free and open society, by eliminating the free and open element - therefore removing attractiveness as a target.

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  12. Re:Why is the US so paranoid? by Mysteray · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It makes no sense to me. You have by far the strongest military in the world. The USSR is gone. Ok, so there's China, but so far they have not made any seriously threatening moves. Who is left that is any threat?

    The problem isn't so much the degree to which the threat is or isn't real. If they wanted to fabricate unreal threats, they could certainly do a better

    The problem is that there exists a truly massive security-industrial complex. For example, a huge percentage of the population within commuting distance of Washington DC have some kind of security clearance, and their employment depends on it, it's part of their social group, etc. Often these people have lived a relatively sheltered "whitebread" life, except for commonly military service in some place like Iraq. Their biggest worry is that they'll accidentally be friends with someone who'll be busted for pot and that will complicate up their security paperwork for the rest of their life. Sadly, these people are hard-pressed to understand America's freedoms, having renounced much of it for themselves.

    Large, highly profitable industries have arisen to service this part of the Federal budget. So they hire people and more people to fill more and more funded positions with names like "Analyst". They write papers which sometimes come out like this.

    Personally, I think this is one of the stupidest, most short-sighted, bits of analysis I've ever read. But it's important to contemplate how these things emerge from a process in which most or all of the people involved consider themselves to be doing the right thing for their country, career, employer, social circuit, etc..

  13. Re:No, nobody likes a snitch. by elucido · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not even the whistleblower, I mean, snitch, I mean, leaker who leaks the secrets of the enemy.

    No one likes a snitch.

    Use the snitch, sure. Then make sure you either corrupt him to keep him under control, or get rid of him before he snitches on you.

    Not that this is a new thing.

    Of course, the only way to lose to this kind of government is to give up and fail to do your civic duty. So I disagree with you there, too.

    First there are differences between leaker, snitch, whistleblower. The difference is subjective not objective, and it's determined by who is affected by the leak. If the leak benefits me, thats not a snitch, that's a hero. If the leak hurts me, thats a snitch and nobody likes a snitch. If the leak benefits my group, thats still not a snitch.

    So basically in order for someone to be a snitch they have to be within your group, and they have to sell out the group. According to the US Military Bradley Manning is a snitch because he leaked in a way which made fellow soldiers look bad. But to civilians Bradley Manning is not going to be a snitch, but a leaker, or whistleblower. And to Bradley Mannings group that he is loyal to, if he has one, he is a hero.

    So basically if your informant gives you the secrets of your enemy, thats a spy not a snitch. If your informant however turns around and gives your secrets to the enemy, thats a snitch. It has to do with the social network and social relation between the individuals involved. Two criminals who commit a crime together or who both benefit from a crime, if one reports on the other, the defector is a snitch. This is not the same thing as if they are sworn enemies fighting each other and they spy on each other. The difference being that spies can have loyalty to their group or their side and be acting out of absolute loyalty, while the snitch does not have loyalty to any side.

    What the governments see us all as, is potential informants, snitches, terrorist, or something in between. Governments do not promote loyalty, and promote snitching to begin with, but when it finally starts to negatively affect them and their interests then they want to push civic duties onto us. It's real simple, the government wants useful idiots who they can manipulate into taking on responsibilities without being paid to do it. So now security researchers cannot release the details of their exploit to the media and take credit because they fear they could be labeled a snitch by the government?

    Only that is not snitching because they weren't told government secrets. They don't work for the government. They don't have to be loyal to an entity they never swore an oath to. This is not a complicated case such as with Bradley Manning where we don't know what he knew or didn't know so we cannot know who is right between him and the government. This is civilians, people like you and me, and it is clear I'm on the side of civilians.

    This means while I would not release information which would hurt civilians, I don't have some sort of civic duty to protect the feds who don't act like or consider themselves to be civilians. They are their own group, they act like their own group, and would certainly exploit me given the opportunity.

    Use the snitch, sure. Then make sure you either corrupt him to keep him under control, or get rid of him before he snitches on you.

    This is common sense. But which group is the group making the most use of snitches? The government. And which group complains the most about leakers/snitches? The government. So why would I have sympathy if they are complaining about a culture they helped to create? And why should I believe in the concept of civic duty? My civic duty if I choose to believe in such a concept is to civilians, not drug warriors, not cops, not soldiers, but civilians, because I'm a civilian.

    This means when certain stuff gets leaked to the media that details about how governments are abusing civilians, I'm going to side with civil

  14. Re:Why is the US so paranoid? by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It makes no sense to me. You have by far the strongest military in the world. The USSR is gone. Ok, so there's China, but so far they have not made any seriously threatening moves. Who is left that is any threat?

    I know 9/11 left some big scars on the collective psyche but seriously, it's been 10 years, you invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, killed Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Surely there's been enough restitution?

    I worry that one day the rest of the world is going to have to unite against the US as you decide to pacify or nuke us all since we are deemed a threat to national security.

    The answer to your question is explained in a book I am currently reading called Jesus Wants to Save Christians by Rob Bell. It's geared towards a religious audience, so if you aren't interested in that sort of thing, then you'll have to wade through a lot of writing that's off-topic for you. The gist of the answer is this: 1) America has more than enough. 2) When you have more than enough, you start building ways to protect what you have, lest someone else take it from you. 3) When you start fearing that others might take away what you have, you begin to divide the world into an "Us" and "Them." 4) You then begin to fear all of the "Thems" and begin oppressing them. FWIW, I think Bell is right, and it deeply disturbs me. I just don't know how much I can do to stop it. And, you are exactly on target about the fear we have in this nation, and how illogical it is. I wish I could get the rest of the U.S. to understand that.

    --
    MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
  15. Actually... by denzacar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is nothing as differentiated as that.

    "Snitch" is simply a pejorative term for someone who for whatever reason(s) breaks a social contract regarding secrecy, written or unwritten, that he/she had with other person(s), or that other person(s) thought that they had.
    Regardless of the nature of the secret one is disclosing, and to whom it is disclosed to, one is always seen as a "snitch" by the party whose secret(s) are being revealed.

    Others might label "the snitch" an informant, an insider, a whistle-blower, an inside source, a concerned citizen, a witness, a patriot, a man of honor and integrity...
    Or a hacker, a thief, a spy, a traitor, a criminal, a terrorist, a lowlife who would sell out his/her own mother...
    But he/she will always be a snitch to those whose secrets he/she is revealing to the third party.

    The term is SO precise and determined you may just as well use "asshole" instead. Or "cunt".
    It's simply a bad word for the people you don't like cause they tell on you.

    --
    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
    1. Re:Actually... by elucido · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is nothing as differentiated as that.

      "Snitch" is simply a pejorative term for someone who for whatever reason(s) breaks a social contract regarding secrecy, written or unwritten, that he/she had with other person(s), or that other person(s) thought that they had.
      Regardless of the nature of the secret one is disclosing, and to whom it is disclosed to, one is always seen as a "snitch" by the party whose secret(s) are being revealed.

      Others might label "the snitch" an informant, an insider, a whistle-blower, an inside source, a concerned citizen, a witness, a patriot, a man of honor and integrity...
      Or a hacker, a thief, a spy, a traitor, a criminal, a terrorist, a lowlife who would sell out his/her own mother...
      But he/she will always be a snitch to those whose secrets he/she is revealing to the third party.

      The term is SO precise and determined you may just as well use "asshole" instead. Or "cunt".
      It's simply a bad word for the people you don't like cause they tell on you.

      There is a key difference. A snitch is a former member of one group who spills the group secrets (typically for personal gain).
      Another more accurate word for a snitch is a sellout. Nobody likes a sellout.

      On the other hand if you never were a member of the group you hacked, such as if you are a member of a rival group and you target the enemy group, thats not snitching and theres really no basis from which to make that person out to be a snitch. That could be spying, but its certainly not snitching because you were always the enemy and always loyal to your original group.

  16. Re:tags by hawguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I got the feeling this was more along the lines of not talking about ship movements and stuff... The summary is a little extreme.

    Did you read the paper (it's not hard, the link is right up there in the summary)? They specifically mentioned the "leaks" referred to in the summary. At least the ones I checked (GAO TSA report, Satellite orbit info, food supply threats).

    If those aren't the kind of leaks they are talking about, then why do they mention them specifically?