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Amazon and Barnes & Noble Jostle Over Battery Life Figures for Nook, Kindle

destinyland writes "Amazon just doubled the reported battery life for their Kindle digital readers — but they did it by cutting the estimated daily usage in half. Monday Amazon's competitor Barnes and Noble released a new touch-screen version of their Nook reader, and C|Net notes that apparently Amazon 'took issue with how its competitor was calculating and presenting its battery life numbers.' When Barnes and Noble claimed that the Nook's charge lasted twice as long based on a half hour a day of usage, Amazon simply recalculated the Kindle's battery life using the same formula. By Wednesday, Barnes and Noble was insisting that the Nook's charge still lasted twice as long as the Kindle's. 'If that's true, then Barnes and Noble mangled the launch of their touch-screen Nook,' reports one Kindle blog, 'by botching their description of one of its main selling points.'"

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  1. How About ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about stating the battery life in actual hours of continuous use instead of estimated days based on estimated usage? Is that really so hard?

    1. Re:How About ... by SquirrelDeth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes from a marketing point of view. It's a game to see who can come up with the longest battery time using the most convoluted methods to sell the product its better to sell a product and have a disappointed customer than not sell a product. Chances they wouldn't buy another product any ways.

    2. Re:How About ... by TD-Linux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On eInk based readers, it's actually harder than that. How many times do you flip the page in an hour? The number of pageflips per charge seems like a better metric.

    3. Re:How About ... by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 5, Informative

      How about stating the battery life in actual hours of continuous use instead of estimated days based on estimated usage? Is that really so hard?

      Pretty hard. The Kindle (and presumably the Nook?) doesn't use battery power to just sit there showing a page while you read it; it only uses power when you turn the page (or connect to WIFI or 3G). The rate at which you need to turn pages (and thus use power) is going to depend on a combination of your reading speed, the nature of the material, and the font size you've set. You can make assumptions for all that but it still really comes down to "estimated usage".

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    4. Re:How About ... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't have first-hand experience of this (yet), but my wife seems to get over 2 weeks between charges on her Sony PRX-650 reader (a birthday present from yours truly). And she gets through books at a prodigious rate - thousands of page-turns per week. It was mainly the fact that the device seems to offer just about the best multi-format support that was the biggest selling point, but power usage seems fairly impressive to me.

    5. Re:How About ... by fermion · · Score: 2
      My impression was that the Kindle and Nook both use technology that only uses large amounts of power when the page is turned. This means that hours of continuous use is not really a good metric, as they can just base this on a slow reader, say 15 page flips an hour.

      What they should be doing is like the number for the iphone. Give expected battery life for different uses: some number of page turns, some number for web browsing, etc. Of couse, as this is only marketing, transparency and honesty has nothing to do with it.

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    6. Re:How About ... by marga · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The math is not so simple as that, because these devices waste some battery while on stand-by. So if you don't turn them completely off (which is not usual, due to the painful amount of time it takes to start-up).

      With my nook (first edition), I've found that I can read between 10 to 14 days of aprox. 1 hour a day (about 12 hours of reading), but I can also use it for 3 days of 8 hours a day (about 24 hours of reading) -only feasable on holidays, obviously-. All of this with wireless off, and none of it an exact measurement, just what I've experienced.

      So yes, measuring battery life is hard, it depends a lot on the use you give the device. However, it annoys me that it wastes so much battery on keeping it on stand-by. Maybe they've worked on that for the nook 2, and that's why they are parading their 2 months estimate. Because, with the old nook, it's not true that you can double the amount of days the battery lasts if you halve the amount of hours you read.

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    7. Re:How About ... by halivar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep. If I leave my Kindle unplugged, and unread, for 3 weeks the charge dies.

      But if I leave on vacation for a full week on a full charge, read 4-6 hours/day in the hotel room/beach, and further read for 12 hours worth of flying + delays (the joys of overnight travel coast-to-coast via coach), I get back home with about 20% charge. Not bad, IMHO.

    8. Re:How About ... by ReptilianSamurai · · Score: 3, Funny

      How about battery life in percentages of Libraries of Congress that can be read on a single charge?

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    9. Re:How About ... by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      They do measure it in bytes - you just want them to divide it by a number divisible by 2 only, and the marketers divide it by a number divisible by 10. Frankly I could care less as long as they label the units clearly - if I care I can figure it out.

      The battery life issue is a bit different, since they aren't measured in any kind of standard units that lets me compare claims easily. I'd be happy if they just declared how many joules the battery contains, what the steady-state wattage is when powered on, and the number of Joules consumed per page turn, etc. :)

    10. Re:How About ... by narcc · · Score: 2

      Assuming we're still talking about the Kindle

      So they can make it so I can take out the battery and the page I'm reading won't disappear?

      Yes

      I suspect the screens take some power to keep on

      No

  2. Half hour a day? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 2

    I own the original Nook, and get in at least an hour, usually two or more, spread throughout the day. Do people buying dedicated e-readers (as opposed to color tablets) really only get in a half hour every day? I'd thought the market was mostly for readers like me.

    Then again Amazon is no saint here either, with their "50% higher contrast Kindle 3!" which in reality only had 6% darker (to the eye) blacks.

    1. Re:Half hour a day? by halivar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Myself, I prefer the lower contrast of the Kindle specifically because it most emulates the faded, cheap ink and light bleached paper of your standard paperback novel. I can sit for 8 hour stretches and forget I'm holding an electronic device.

      But that's just me.

    2. Re:Half hour a day? by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      Well, I bought a couple of Nooks last year (mostly for the kids before going on vacation); they've been great (despite my ethical problems with digital licensing and the occasional e-book that actually costs more than the digital version).

      One of the selling points at the time was not so much battery life, but user replaceable batteries. With the Nook, you could walk into a B&N and buy a new battery and replace it yourself... with the Kindle you had to send it in, at your expense, to have the battery replaced.

      If it's still the same, then an hour here or there wouldn't matter to me - in little more than a year I don't recall we've had any problems with battery life as long as you keep it charged.

      I actually am not rooting for either side, I really don't care... nook won for me on a few tiny technical merits... I find it laughable that this is what it comes down to. I've also seen the color screens and wonder what the point is... they seem nothing like the e-ink screens, and I can't imagine wanting to read one for any length of time.

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  3. This would be so easy... by errandum · · Score: 2

    Just say "it allows for 20000 page turns"

    That way it's not a relative time, but a real number people can evaluate.

    It's like saying my Mac can stay on for 30 days and not mentioning the fact that it's on standby.

    1. Re:This would be so easy... by hedwards · · Score: 2

      The problem is that all page turns aren't created equally. You'll get markedly less battery life if you use the software to enlarge or shrink the text. Not to mention that you'll get differing amounts of run time depending upon what type of documents you're looking at.

  4. Re:Who to root for... by errandum · · Score: 2

    Because Amazon weren't the pioneers of hassle free reading (sarcasm)

    Also, the kindle is available everywhere. Literally free 3g everywhere in the world.

    I dropped my kindle once and Amazon replaced it, no questions asked.

    Not saying the nook is bad, but the Kindle and Amazons' customer service just bought them a lifetime customer

  5. Jesus Christ. by Futile+Rhetoric · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whoever came up with this comparison chart will be first up against a wall when the revolution comes:

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/kindle/shasta/photos/image-battery-life.gif

    1. Re:Jesus Christ. by similar_name · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did you know the average human can lift their own body weight (on average about 150 lbs) but I can lift 15,000 lbs*


      *My strength assumes lifting one pound at a time over a one year period.


      By the way, that pic should be some kind of statistical goatse. It's disgusting.

  6. My battery life figure for Kindle by cerberusss · · Score: 4, Informative

    I brought my Kindle 3 to China. It's a long flight, so I read a lot in the airplane. A couple of days I read only 30 minutes, and for three days, I stayed in the hostel because I got sick of something I ate. So in those three days, I read up to 6 hours per day. All in all, the holiday lasted 12 days and I had about 25% charge left at the end of the holiday.

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  7. Kindle battery life is pretty variable by Nimey · · Score: 2

    You have at least two or three variables, depending:

    1) Is your wireless/3G on? That drains more quickly than just reading does.
    2) How many page-flips?
    3) Do you have the fancy cover with the pop-out LED light that draws from the Kindle battery, and how much do you use it?
    4) How much time spend actually reading, vs. in standby? Not a whole lot of power savings in standby, but the CPU's at least in deeper sleep.

    With the light and the wireless on, I can drain a battery in several hours' continuous usage, or (more likely) two to three days on my normal schedule. I don't normally leave the wireless on, though. I understand Amazon claimed a month of usage without wireless or light, but that obviously depends on how many books you'll read in a month.

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  8. Android device for $139. by wonkavader · · Score: 2

    This is an Android-based device for $139. It has an e-Ink display and a touch screen. I'm buying one the day after it's rooted.

    Does anyone know enough about the touch-screen method this uses to tell me whether it can present two datapoints at a time? (Can the hardware be used to do multi-touch?)

  9. Re:It's about Standby Time by similar_name · · Score: 2

    It doesn't make sense to spec the battery life on continuous use because no one does that. 30 minutes per day is far more accurate than continuous use.

    We spec light bulbs that way even though the frequency they are turned on and off has a huge affect on their lifespan. Tires are measured in total miles. One tire manufacture doesn't claim to last twice as long and then put in the fine print that it assumes you will only stop and accelerate some number of times that makes their tires suddenly last longer.

    Spec continuous use and then let usage patterns derive from that. Don't start at usage patterns or you wind up in the marketing mess we're talking about.

  10. Re:Shorter the battery life the harder it must be. by Improv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I only have a Kindle, but I have yet to come close to its battery limits. It seems to have a pretty good battery/power draw combination. I imagine the Nook is similar.

    This is, as far as I can tell, just a stupid pissing contest.

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  11. Re:A half hour a day? by TheTyrannyOfForcedRe · · Score: 2

    Umm then why bother even getting a reader?

    Some people have busy lives. Some people are into nonfiction that's difficult to digest.

    I plan to buy a reader when the right device comes along. The technical stuff that I like to read is best consumed in small chunks. Highly technical stuff can be very taxing. It's a whole different ballgame than fiction.

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  12. Re:Strange... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2

    My books don't consume electricity. The oldest ones I have are physical prints which are more than 50 years old. Still working and looking splendit ... without electricity. I know, I might be a troll here .... but I never understood the reason for e-books....

    Less physical clutter.

    Less cost to move all those books to a new place.

    The ability to resize the text on the fly to make it easier to read. This is probably the most desirable feature for me.

    Bring a dozen books on a trip, without having to find room for all of them in my luggage.

    For cover-to-cover reading (not random access, think fiction / novels) and not books with a lot of figures or that require color to explain things, it's very nice to read on. The Sony readers were very good at getting out of the way and letting you focus on the content.

    I still prefer physical hard copy for reference works.

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