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Chinese Military Admits Existence of Cyberwarfare Unit

InfiniteZero writes "China has admitted for the first time that it had poured massive investment into the formation of a 30-strong commando unit of cyberwarriors — a team supposedly trained to protect the People's Liberation Army from outside assault on its networks."

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  1. The best defense is a strong offense by haruchai · · Score: 2

    and I'm positive their cyber-commandos have been very, very offensive for a long time. It wouldn't surprise me if they haven't been working hand-in-glove with the North Korean counterparts as well.

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    1. Re:The best defense is a strong offense by couchslug · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the US and China compete militarily, many people in BOTH Military-Industrial Complexes benefit.

      Keep it from being a shooting war and it's one fine welfare program for the beneficiaries.

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    2. Re:The best defense is a strong offense by high_rolla · · Score: 2

      It would seem to me that it is in their best interest to make people believe they are not as strong as they really are.

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    3. Re:The best defense is a strong offense by guybrush3pwood · · Score: 2

      China has a large population of very nationalistically charged young people

      Are you suggesting that other powerful nations - for the sake of the argument, lets say the USA - lack a certain stock of these "nationalistically charged young people"? I'd say most of USA's population is "nationalistically charged", and pretty much willing to go for a joyride shooting people anywhere in the world... provided their target is week, poor and its counter-attack capabilities are laughable.

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    4. Re:The best defense is a strong offense by wisty · · Score: 5, Informative

      Spoken Chinese is "highly contextual". (Which is a linguist's euphemism for "vague").

      "30" means "30 of whatever the logical unit is". 30 people. 30 platoons. 30 wan (= 30 * 10,000).

      Whatever.

      Point of interest, a very common Chinese phrase is "weishemenibugaosouwo" (I think that's spelled right). It means "Why didn't you tell me?"

    5. Re:The best defense is a strong offense by icebike · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Continuing to see things as simply a police matter, like robbery of a Bodega, leaves you looking very foolish when airplanes fly into your buildings.

      The Chinese have finally admitted what was suspected all along, and yet you arrive hand waiving it away as the act of misbehaving children.

      Bank robberies usually net some cash, which is easily spendable, locally, and quickly. You can rest assured there will be money in any given bank.

      Hackers breaking into NASA, the Army, Lockheed, General Dynamics, Northrup, Raytheon, and Boeing can never be sure they will get anything at all, or that what they do get will be marketable. Its fairly difficult for your average college hacker to market the plans for an F22 or the communications system of a Predator drone.

      It is simply not believable that your average hacker in a locked down country like China would spend that much effort with continued and concerted attacks, focused on military assets and defense contractors just for the fun of it.

      Why would they, when they could get paid to do it working for their government?
       

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    6. Re:The best defense is a strong offense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's customary to use the space bar when using pinyin romanization: "wei shenme ni bu gaosu wo?" does not looklikesuchamouthfull.

    7. Re:The best defense is a strong offense by rainmouse · · Score: 2

      Hackers breaking into NASA, the Army, Lockheed, General Dynamics, Northrup, Raytheon, and Boeing can never be sure they will get anything at all, or that what they do get will be marketable.

      Yes but because the average US citizen is brainwashed into hating China or anything that remotely resists MacDonalds and Starbucks means that despite the fact that every major nation in the world (including the US) very likely has a cyber 'defence' department of the military, the said brainwashing means that suddenly every cyber attack, twitchy printer and malware infected porn is the direct result of Chinese cyber warfare.

  2. Phase 1 by JackpotMonkey · · Score: 2

    Gain funding by selling virtual game currencies to the online public through farming/hacking game accounts and the like.

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  3. Why not? by tgeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An adversary's Command & Control has always been a prime military target. Why should it be any different in an information age? The only thing that surprises me is the relatively small number of 30 (admitted) members in the unit. I'd bet even money that every single major government in the world has such a cyber unit and probably much larger (*cough* US *cough*) in scale.

    1. Re:Why not? by sco08y · · Score: 2

      An adversary's Command & Control has always been a prime military target. Why should it be any different in an information age? The only thing that surprises me is the relatively small number of 30 (admitted) members in the unit. I'd bet even money that every single major government in the world has such a cyber unit and probably much larger (*cough* US *cough*) in scale.

      They're not exactly a secret. I visited one when I got done with active duty to talk about signing up with them as a reservist.

    2. Re:Why not? by Wolfling1 · · Score: 2

      double facepalm.

      Why do you think the Internet was built in the first place?

    3. Re:Why not? by quickgold192 · · Score: 2

      The US isn't as coy about its cyber warfare as you are - the Navy has a designation titled "Information Warfare," the Air Force Information Warfare Center lists "offensive and defensive counter information and information operations" as its main goal, and the US Cyber Command hopes to "recruit, train and retain highly qualified cyber-warfare combatants"

      http://www.navy.com/careers/information-and-technology/information-warfare.html
      http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/aia/cyberspokesman/97aug/afiwc.htm
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command

  4. What is this, Tron 3? by MakinBacon · · Score: 2

    Anybody else find it hilarious when governments try to make their "cyberwarfare" divisions sound badass with phrases like "30-strong commando unit of cyberwarriors"?

    1. Re:What is this, Tron 3? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      The thirty they admit to are actually high ranking officers, each in command of hundreds of junior officers and senior technicians. And, that doesn't even count the support echelons associated with them.

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    2. Re:What is this, Tron 3? by haruchai · · Score: 2

      China takes a different attitude towards admittance - you can still find officials who'll say that noone died at the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests

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  5. Makes sense by orkysoft · · Score: 2

    An army needs supplies;
    Organizing supplies (logistics) gets very complicated, and needs IT infrastructure;
    Disabling an opposing army's supply lines is a proved war strategy;
    Enemies could damage the IT infrastructure, thereby endangering the supply lines;
    In a conflict, enemies will try to damage the army's IT infrastructure;
    An army needs people who can protect its IT infrastructure and damage the enemy's.

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  6. "Cyber Wizards" by VortexCortex · · Score: 5, Funny

    what could be more 'cyber' than that?

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    I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl. 8 chicken of the Infinite.

  7. Similar in appearance to .... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... their regular commandos. Except they have tape wrapped around the bridge of their night vision goggles.

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  8. Re:Winning, duh by Airborne-ng · · Score: 2

    True...and we'd never lie about how Patriot Act usurps basic constitutional rights. Ever nation's politics has its gray areas, no denying.

  9. Re:Cold War by hoboroadie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was telling everyone who didn't run away fast enough back in the seventies that the only logical explanation for Nuclear Weapons (I lived in Livermore) was to scam the taxpayer, and when we got into the next war we'd have to start from scratch supplying our boys with tools that they could actually use. Also I said that the Russians were desperately behind, and truly fearful of our imperialist intentions, and the people to watch out for were those inscrutable Chinese. I'm pretty sure we should shut down our offshore military and let the Chinese secure the "stability" of the Mideast. Let them go broke for a change, while we invest the savings into modern energy technology. YMMV (Heck, I hear the Europeans get all that oil, let them subsidise it.)

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  10. Re:Cold War by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    I'm pretty sure we should shut down our offshore military and let the Chinese secure the "stability" of the Mideast.

    I don't claim to be an expert on global military strategy, but in the past, every time we've done this and pursued an isolationist policy, the world has come right back knocking on our door with a war that can't be refused. Starting from the war of 1812 (we tried to be neutral, but the British kept capturing our ships), up until WW2.

    Add to that, in the lead up to WW2, if someone had put a little expense into stopping Germany right when they were starting out, it would have been nothing. Instead everyone pursued their isolationist policies until it grew into an expensive, deadly, unignorable problem.

    Maybe times are different now, but it is clearly a good idea sometimes to pay a small expense now to avoid a bigger pain later (and saying that, I was opposed to the Iraq war from the beginning).

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  11. So that's who hacked Lockheed Martin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The attack on RSA, then Lockheed Martin was too long term and risky for any of the Organized Crime hacking groups. It was definitely a government. The only ones that can capitalize on the return are the Chinese. Well, I suppose the French might be an extremely unlikely 2nd place.

    So, they hacked Lockheed, so they could make better attack aircraft, so they could protect the PLA from outside assault on its networks. Like hell. About the same time the attack on Lockheed went down, I noticed they were scanning for BGP. First time I've seen BGP scanning in years. It all looks offensive to me.

  12. News, really? by warGod3 · · Score: 2

    This is news? Isn't this the same as the US admitting the existence of Delta Force, Seal Team 6, or Area 51? I mean really?

    Rah, rah, the Chinese have a "computer commando" unit... big freaking deal. A "blue" team the same as a US "red" team? Great, so it's a pen-test team, maybe with other duties. Like the US doesn't have anything like that in the government or private sectors...

    /., it's too early to be wasting my time on this...

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