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China Calls US Culprit In Global 'Internet War'
On Wednesday we discussed news of Google's accusation that sources originating in China were interfering with Gmail using malware and phishing techniques, targeting Chinese political activists, US government officials, military personnel, and others. In response to the accusations, a Chinese official denied government involvement in the attacks, while the US government indicated they would investigate the matter. The attacks were more sophisticated than a typical phishing attempt, they involved Yahoo and Hotmail as well, and they have likely been going on for months. Now, according to a CBS report, "The Chinese military accused the US on Friday of launching a global 'Internet war' to bring down Arab and other governments, redirecting the spotlight away from allegations of major online attacks on Western targets originating in China."
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Whoa there dude! Check your keyboard, somebody might have slipped you a Dvorak.
Things are about to get very interesting
China got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and immediately creates a story about the US playing foul on the internet whether it is true or not, the only reason it was released by them is to avoid attention. China is not going to be able to avoid this they have been in the midst of internet controversy for the past few years from Green Dam software (Great Firewall of China) being created from stolen source code, to hacking Google and other countries to this newest event. They need to figure out if you start poking around in someone's backyard who has more advanced systems they are going to find out soon or later.
Just because you are wrong and I called you out on it doesn't mean I am a Troll.
Why use Gmail when you can use Safe-Mail.net through Tor with SSL during the entire session?
China will NEVER be a leader of the free world as the US is, first and foremost because Chinese are alien to freedom itself, the only world China will be leading is the world subjugated but its secret police and that's how far it can go.
Reroute half the internet last year?
Ok.
* Various political interests that China wants to kill off are targeted.
* The US military is targeted.
* The US government (outside of the military) is targeted.
* A company that left China out of concerns for it being used as an attack platform was targeted.
* The rest of the evidence points to China's red hands being all over this.
The only answer worth giving to the Chinese government: ä½æ''èZï¼
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
are a fucking disgrace, and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
These rather stupid and outlandish statements will get them nowhere. Nobody is going to believe what they're saying.
They must be on drugs to think that the US supporting people in exercising their natural human impulses to be free, is a "war against China". That's some seriously demented shit.
China's constant spying and aggression can't go unpunished. We cannot continually let the CCP thieves and tyrants steal our technology and oppress their own people. There MUST be serious consequences for China, otherwise they'll get more bold and aggressive -- the worse for us. I would go as far as to say that military force can be justified -- China cannot be allowed to believe that they can get away with what they're doing.
I've personally been noticing a lot of suspSuí zhe yídòng dào zhèl kàn dào shénme
Google traces targeted gmail password trawling attacks to China.
Reaction?
The "independent" (and presumably "fair and balanced") Global Times calls Google "snotty nosed". The equally "independent" Xinhua News Agency says that the acusation that China was behind the gmail phishing was "evil intentioned".
The Chinese military ups the ante and accuses the US of an undeclared cyber war on the whole world.
In other news, the Reichstag still appears to be vaguely smoldering.
The gullibility of the american public never ceases to amaze me.
I swear to god, the next US president should be the damn kool aid mascot.
Hey China, nobody here held a gun to your head and forced you to use the Internet. We invented it for our own use, and thought it would be a good idea for peers to connect worldwide.
We had a saying during the Cold War: If you don't like the US, you're free to leave. This contrasted our philosophy with that of the Soviet Union, where emmigrating was very difficult.
Likewise, if you don't like the Internet you're free to create your own local network which is partially what you're doing with your "great firewall". Trouble is, you want it both ways. Sorry. Not our problem. If you can't firewall out everything you don't like then that leaves you with a choice:
Deal with some things you don't like, or unplug it.
I chuckle every time i read an article like this. Yes, I'm sure the United States is participating in electronic espionage (or whatever you want to call it), but does that surprise anyone? Seriously, is anyone surprised at this, like at all? As a United States citizen i would actually be very upset if my government wasn't doing this. The flip side to this is that I can really not be that upset at China for doing the same thing. So really this is a non story and the only one governments are fooling when they make claims like this are... no one.
If what I just said sounded like a troll, it was probably just a failed attempt at humor.
The US is on track to return to its 2008 $800+G/year trade deficit with China and the rest of the planet during 2012.
I wonder if Chinese servers running denyhosts accumulate thousands of US IP addresses in their hosts.deny files.
"Google gets hacked from China. Decides to close China office and servers. Operate from Hong Kong"?
Why is this thought to be news?
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
They say "the Government of China did not have anything to do with the attacks".
They do NOT say "the Chinese Army had nothing to do with the attacks".
It's all in the details and the saving of face.
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And then show them how to die like real human beings.
Classic strategy. Maybe John Edwards helped them.
1 Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Make counter accusations
China can never become "leader" in a world as openly prejudiced as ours.
As the book Death by China says: Its not China bashing if its true, same for prejudice. FWIW, the book is written by a well known economics professor and has gotten praise from both the political left and right, well US political left and right that is. The forward is written by a survivor of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, another endorsement comes from a former member of China's state security. So it offers more than a US perspective.
no this sounds like Rod Blagojevich spin but not as good. China can at least blame on a fail guy or try to say that we did not think that hacking was a crime.
A relatively simple question. What does a profit-based company like Google have to gain by accusing a giant nation like China, with billions of potential customers, of illicit behavior?
I expect that all they want is for China to stop being so damn clumsy about it. It'd be nice if they stopped altogether...but if they MUST hack Google's customers, Google would prefer that they be more discreet about it. They're tired of their security systems lighting up like a fireworks show every day and all those security consultants are expensive.
Seriously people. Google gets "attacked" worldwide on a regular basis. The ONLY reasonable explanation for them to complain about any specific nation is because that nation is either extremely successful in attacking them, extremely obnoxious about it, or both.
I'm no fan of America, but the phrase this brings to mind is "and you are lynching negroes".
Tell me why we should buy their shit at our own peril.
Really America were not better than the commies.
The statue of liberty has tears.
China has been engaging in internet espionage and cybercrime (likely through the Chinese military), and accuses the US of same to deflect criticism. Not buying their innocence for a second.
The only message worth giving in reply to the Chinese government: NÇ zhÃge piÃnzi!
(yes, it's translated output of "You liar!", in phonetic)
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
How long until we all realize that China is full of bullshit and that crap like this is just them pathologically lying in order to cover their asses?
And surprisingly ... www.google.com is now unreachable from China
(some will probably say "oh we are very sorry, our DNS servers are just been "harmonized")
hint for the one stuck in this mess : use 66.249.89.99
China's just the sucker that gets caught doing it. They're after all sorts of targets, government or otherwise. I had them ruin my. Xmas holiday when they tried unsuccessfully to send 10G DDoS attacks across the wire. Just protect your stuff, because there are a lot of people out the with a lot of motivation to either get your IP, money, are just try to shut you down. China's just one of many. If you have any sort of online presence you are a potential target.
I was pondering today, as I was putting in a couple square rods of tomatoes, that we haven't really had the big famine yet around here, so all of this -out of work/fuel/money stuff is just an artificial construct being imposed on us by the same paper money/alternate reality crew that has been presenting this show all along. Reality-based lifestyles are really going down the tubes pretty fast though; Aside from the deforestation/climate change, Fracking and Mountaintop Removal are really fucking up our fresh water resources. All this squabbling is just petty compared to any one of the real disasters that are occurring. Take your pick, Topsoil/Water/Air, it's coming. Weird new fungi, plankton bloom, the inevitable coming oil spill in ANWR {Drill, Baby, Drill}.
I don't think we need to worry about China.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
Sorry for violating Godwin's law, but, after all, 60 years ago Hitler accused the US of treating Jews inhumanely. This seems to be done in the same spirit. Oh right, 70 years by now. I'm getting old.
They say the world has changed. Then again, they say the earth is flat too.
Chinese?
More like Whinese!
Are the tomatoes right next to jalepenos ,onions and cilantro? Nothing clears gloom and doom like homebrew picante sauce.
Not worried about mountains, they can top them, force just keeps pushing them up.
At some point the earth was a mess of minerals and chemicals before we showed up, yet, we showed up and thrived.
I'm not going to worry a whole f**king lot about the food thing either. When we quit paying subsidies to farmers to grow nothing or worse, plant on unarible or flood prone ground, year after year,season after season, then collect fed subsidized insurance and subsidies, then shit will change. Farmers who are actually worth a shit will go back to actually working and producing food. Responsible farming will return and the dunderheads will end up selling land and working for actual farmers as is the proper way in nature and business.
I'm not going to worry about the oil. We have plenty without even involving the UAE. Here come the electric vehicles, solar and other powers. We have plenty of oil for lubing moving parts. I'm beginning to do my own homebrew energy anyway. ,probably quicker than any other species. Those that don't are on their way off the radar anyway.
Fungi? Plankton? Nature doesn't make mistakes, don't forget our species evolves relevantly
I'm not going to worry about China.
I replace worry with planning in all cases. I encourage others less talented than myself to worry about China, it keeps the dialog open.
*Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
...that's how the world's end begins
the Pentagon's message, which was not directed at China, but cyberattacks in general.
Bring on the peaceful, united New World Order. One Planet, One nation.
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Because it only takes 1 rotten apple to rot the entire barrel (& if one gov't. is doing it, the rest will HAVE to follow - "human nature @ its finest" (not)).
However - I know 1 thing though, in regards to this statement I'll quote from you:
"Just protect your stuff, because there are a lot of people out the with a lot of motivation to either get your IP, money, are just try to shut you down" - by fa8os (761693) on Friday June 03, @10:40PM (#36335302)
Amen to that: I know that much, because I've been populating a custom HOSTS file here since around 1997, & am currently up to 1,426,502 entries of known bad sites/servers/hosts-domain names... the % coming out of the communist block? HUGE!
In fact, it's predominantly what I see while it fills with data each day, every 15 minutes...
(Mostly .cn, .ru, .su, some .pl (makes me sad, polish descent here is why on that one) & many from the cocos islands (.cc TLD range), but those could be anyone on the latter one & moreso than the others imo @ least...)
APK
P.S.=> Despite what the Chinese gov't. says, I know & see where the 'bad guys' are coming from out there, & for more than a decade++ now - &, a hell of a lot of it's outta China &/or Russia (which makes me wonder about the Chinese, specifically - See, I've always thought of them as a wise "keep to themselves" kind of people with a 5,000 yr. old recorded history culture - too smart to be into stupid shit like you mention, & I guess that's changing - but, what do I know on that account, & I mean REALL know? Well, I've worked with Chinese guys, & went to school for CSC with a few too, & I never would have thought of any of them I knew personally as that way... guess I might be wrong, or I have NO IDEA what their gov't.'s made them do once they left academia & returned to China!)
... apk
> Sorry for violating Godwin's law, but, after all, 60 years ago Hitler accused the US of treating Jews inhumanely. This seems to be done in the same spirit. Oh right, 70 years by now. I'm getting old.
Yes, although this is a much better psyop. Think about it: China simultaneously diverts attention from its attacks, weakens the credibility of the US on cyber issues, undermines pro-western support in arab nations, undermines moderates in arab nations, etc...
Realize that being associated with the United States often undermines the credibility and popular support of moderate or pro-democracy parties in Arab states, where there is a lot of Anti-US feeling. People who strongly dislike some thing about Iran, for example, really like that it stands up to the United States.
This was a GOOD move politically on China's part, even though it is probably at least something of a lie, possible almost entirely a lie. My bet is the US, aside from Stuxnet, has been assisting with cyber-assets in the various revolutions--because those are the most costless assets to deploy, and they don't draw us into major wars. China is attempting to leverage that cyber activity against us by magnifying whatever role it played. Our recent statement that it can be an act of war lends their claims legal weight and makes it easier for anti-US papers and pundits and the international community to criticize the US.
I don't support China--I'd much rather have countries as US friends than as friends of China--but this was a great move on China's part.
-- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
What is US's cyber warfare budget again? Nearing $1B yet? What's it all being spent on? Just Cisco firewall routers and pure defensive SW/HWs? I doubt it! I wouldn't be surprised that this is just a continuation of the old Spy vs Spy relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if US's hack into Chinese government email systems to be in multiple magnitude of what's being reported here. Do we really believe US's cyber warriors to be that less competent to the Chinese? Well, I am not going to be a sucker of govt/media spin.
I use the service from http://www.countryipblocks.net/ to create rules in my firewalls to just block out China, Korea, an Russia. This cuts down significantly the hacking attempts on my servers. Its time to reject buying anything "Made in China" to show them that this kind of behavior is unacceptable.
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