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How To Write Like Mark Zuckerberg

newguy77 found a story talking about the results of a linguistics expert being brought in on the Facebook ownership case. They claim the emails are faked since Zuckerberg uses apostrophes correctly and opens sentences more casually than the damning emails.

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  1. Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Zuckerberg is my hero.

    Nobody other than Google have invaded more privacy while making more money than Facebook.

    Truly an American icon.

    1. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by somersault · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You forgot the government.

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      which is totally what she said
    2. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't want to write like Mark Zuckerberg.

      Side note: raving fans like Sakura are able to differentiate themselves from their hatedoms, while still retaining the individual will to live.

    3. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by meloneg · · Score: 1

      He did specify that he was talking about groups that made money off their invasion of privacy. Lot's of people may make money off of the government's efforts at privacy-erosion, but they aren't the government itself.

    4. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The basic difference between the two is how they manage harvested data.

      So, you come to Google, "I have this gizmo for sale, help me sell it." and Google goes "Fine, we found 2000 customers who purchased your gizmo, ship the gizmos here and here (or let us handle it), and here's your money, after we took our cut."

      So, you come to Facebook, "I have this gizmo for sale, help me sell it." and Facebook goes "Fine, pay us our cut and here's your 20000000 records of our users data, emails, phones, home addresses, we guess at least 2000 of them are bound to be willing to buy your gizmo if you market it to them."

      It's definite oversimplification but it seems your data is much safer with Google than with Facebook.

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    5. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by somersault · · Score: 2

      The two don't have to be directly linked. They do both, and they're doing their damndest to make invading your privacy even more legal. I'm sure they do plenty of invading illegally too, when they can get away with it. The government also get money from those they help out, and the privacy erosion helps to ensure that any who want to dispose of the current crooked system get wiped out.

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      which is totally what she said
    6. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by 2names · · Score: 1

      So, you call requiring every adult in the country to report all of their financial information every year to the government so that said government can tell each person how much money said government is going to forcibly take from each person NOT an invasion of privacy? (I hope that sentence didn't sound too much like Mark Zuckerberg.)

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    7. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by kevinmenzel · · Score: 2

      No, I call that part of the social compact that defines society :p

    8. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by JonStewartMill · · Score: 1

      So, you call requiring every adult in the country to report all of their financial information every year to the government so that said government can tell each person how much money said government is going to forcibly take from each person NOT an invasion of privacy?

      I don't. I call it a reasonable approach toward getting everyone who uses the common infrastructure to actually pay something approaching their fair share of society's costs. Maybe it's not the best approach, but it sure beats any proposals I've seen from the libertarians. Wait, have there even BEEN any? I'm not including the puerile rantings of Ayn Rand and her disciples.

    9. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      What you wrote was a simplification - if it had been an oversimplification, that little prefix, 'over', would mean you had gone too far in simplifying and there was no truth left in your statement. There's still plenty of truth in your two examples - the real contracts Google and Facebook use have proportionate and analogous differences in both just what they offer to do for a customer and how they treat the third party data they hold. You are making a good point - don't bury your own light under a bushel basket.

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    10. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by 2names · · Score: 1

      Did you write that comment...wait for it...of your own free will?

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    11. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      You haven't been paying attention. The (US) government hasn't been "making" money since Bill Clinton was in office.

    12. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government sets tax rates to low for the services it provides.

      A global military empire isn't cheap, and Americans are too stupid to fund it or end it, so it goes on our credit card.

      To make things worse, Ameicans are so unforgivably stupid that they actually vote for tax cutting morons as a way to cut the deficit, which means the government loses money. In other words, the government doesn't make money, and you don't make sense.

      Libertarians are the worst. They wouldn't know an unworkable governing system if it cockslapped their sister.

      8==L=I=B=T=A=R=D==D ~~-.
      Your slutty sister loves it >;-O

    13. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy to say coming from your garden-variety NYU Digg-reading liberal troll. The kind who would be $250k in debt if his daddy weren't making $750k/year sleeping at his executive desk job at the bank. And the type that is so smart that he invents everything that he knows.
       
      I know, I know. Don't feed the trolls.

    14. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

      When did anyone sign said compact? In the case of immigrants, it's easy, because they make pledges and the like to enter. What about those of us born here? Is our signature made when we don't leave? Birth? I'm curious as to what others think.

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    15. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by praxis · · Score: 1

      When you are born, you enter society and the manner in which it was run. Nature is what provided two individuals the decision as to whether or not to do so. If as a potential parent, one would not wish to bring their child into their society, they should find a new one. Once that child enters adulthood, he or she is free to also make that choice.

      This goes for every society, formalized or not.

    16. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by praxis · · Score: 1

      "Making" money, as the government does it, is not done through taxes. Taxes are a source of revenue.

    17. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Seriously?

      Firstly, you're born into your society. Tough shit. As soon as you bawl as you're exiting your mother's vagina, you're within the society.

      Secondly, your society allowed you to be born. Without their policies, and their culture, you would not be here.

      Thirdly, you've got it good compared to most people on this planet, because of your society. If you didn't, you wouldn't be posting here.

      All that being said, there's no reason not to try to change your society for the better. However, curling up into a ball and complaining about those who are kicking you down should generally be reserved for those who this occurs to literally.

    18. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      I work in advertising and from what I've seen it doesn't work either of those ways.

      If an advertiser approaches Google or Facebook what is sold is not user profiles, but clicks on the advertiser's ad(If you're branding you might buy impressions, but we're talking about selling a widget). All the data Google and Facebook collect is not what they give out to advertisers, but they use it to determine what ads to show to you.

    19. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Still, AFAIR, Google takes your ad content and you don't see much about people who see it, until someone clicks through. And if you manage your sales through Google Checkout and other their helpful services, you may not even see that much, just very general statistics. OTOH, Facebook opens up a whole lot of their user data through the API.

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    20. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      You forgot the government.

      You must not know about this then?

    21. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by treeves · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, "making money" is a double entendre in the case of government.

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    22. Re:Who needs privacy when you've got PHP? by praxis · · Score: 1

      Hence the scare-quotes.

  2. In a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Zuckerberg never makes mistakes.

  3. grammar nazis find work by corbettw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So all those years of being a grammar nazi can result in actual gainful employment? Who knew?

    Also:

    They claim the emails are faked since he uses Apostrophes correctly

    But did he use Capitalization correctly?

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    1. Re:grammar nazis find work by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Well you now know that CmdrTaco will never be able to pass himself off as Zuckerberg since he was the one who added that sentence.

    2. Re:grammar nazis find work by TheLink · · Score: 2, Funny

      In the US they only care about market capitalization.

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    3. Re:grammar nazis find work by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they are referring to Frank Zappa's album called "Apostrophes (')"?

    4. Re:grammar nazis find work by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      It's more likely they are referring to the Frank Zappa album "Apostrophe (')", since he never made an album called "Apostrophes (')". ;p

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    5. Re:grammar nazis find work by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      Yeah I caught it after I posted :p I type too quickly for my own good sometimes. I really should use the Preview more often.

    6. Re:grammar nazis find work by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 0

      Isn't Apostrophes the great philosopher of the ancient island Gramatica?

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    7. Re:grammar nazis find work by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they are referring to Frank Zappa's album called "Apostrophes (')"?

      "Apostrophes" was the Greek scholar of Grammar.

      In addition, a Thesaurus was a small dinosaur that used flowery language to extricate itself from dangerous situations. (Dennis Miller)

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    8. Re:grammar nazis find work by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Obviously you've never been to Apostrophes. It's in Greece. You should go. You can get great rates because of the debt crisis, and the weather is perfect this time of year. The best way to use Apostophes is as a getaway from Turkey, which is still chilly this time of year and makes you sleepy after you eat. BTW, Apostrophes used to be the Capital until they lost a war with neighboring city-state Athens in ancient times. Apparently ancient history and geography aren't being taught either.

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    9. Re:grammar nazis find work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the Delete.

  4. The Real Mark Zuckerberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By giving people the power, to share we're making the world, more transparent.

    1. Re:The Real Mark Zuckerberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By giving people the power, to share we're making the world, more transparent.

      Obviously not Mark Zuckerberg.

    2. Re:The Real Mark Zuckerberg by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      By giving people the power, to share we're making the world, more transparent

      Obviously not Mark Zuckerberg.

      I'm guessing William Shatner.

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  5. Not a Reliable Method by geoffrobinson · · Score: 0

    Zuckerburg's writing style of 2003 needs to be compared with emails of that era, not today. Furthermore, he could have been off on some random day in 2003 because he had a cold and wasn't thinking. This just isn't that reliable of method of determining authorship.

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    1. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Zuckerburg's writing style of 2003 needs to be compared with emails of that era, not today. Furthermore, he could have been off on some random day in 2003 because he had a cold and wasn't thinking. This just isn't that reliable of method of determining authorship.

      It is a reliable method of creating doubt though. Once he has doubt on his side, the case becomes a lot more difficult for his opponent.

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    2. Re:Not a Reliable Method by somersault · · Score: 0

      Things like spacing out ellipses as well as not using apostrophes correctly is a great sign of a computer illiterate, dumbass scam artist at work.

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      which is totally what she said
    3. Re:Not a Reliable Method by RazzleFrog · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the actual court document: " KNOWN writings used for comparison were various email writings of Mr. Zuckerbergexchanged with the Plaintiff and related parties during the time period as specified in the Amended Complaint, which totaled 35 emails

    4. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking the same thing. Emails I wrote in college (same time frame) are radically different than the emails I've written more recently. Beyond that, emails to different people have different amounts of care put into them, so some have good grammar and then others make you think I'm in grade school.

    5. Re:Not a Reliable Method by somersault · · Score: 1

      are* damnit. Always get myself with the re-writing of parts of sentences.

      On a side note, I found it interesting that the Zuck capitalises "Internet". I suppose it's valid, though I've never thought to do so myself.

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    6. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They used emails between Zuckerburg and Cegelia from that time period from his email account at Harvard. Not current emails.

    7. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were compared with emails of that era.

    8. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Zuckerburg's writing style of 2003 needs to be compared with emails of that era, not today.

      If you had read the article, you would have had the opportunity to read the report yourself, within which was the following:

      I was retained in this matter by GIBSON DUNN and was asked to determine,to the extent possible, the authorship of a series of QUESTIONED writings excerpted into an Amended Complaint in this matter, by performing a stylistic analysis of those QUESTIONED writings vis-à-vis KNOWN reference writings of Mr. Mark Zuckerberg. KNOWN writings used for comparison were various email writings of Mr. Zuckerberg exchanged with the Plaintiff and related parties during the time period as specified in the Amended Complaint, which totaled 35 emails.

      Certainly sounds like the comparison material was taken from the same time period as the presented document is suggested to have originated...

    9. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe he started using a little something called SPELL CHECK!!! www.awkwardengineer.com

    10. Re:Not a Reliable Method by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The article didn't mention what samples were compared only that 35 of them were used. Maybe they used some from that time. Also according to Zuckerberg's side, Havard has no records of the "suspect" emails that are in question. That isn't definitive either but if Havard has all his other emails, it would make it less plausible that they are real.

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    11. Re:Not a Reliable Method by zegota · · Score: 1

      That's actually the proper way to write Internet, according to most style books. Grammatically, I'm not sure it matters.

    12. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The case is not being held to the standard of beyond reasonable doubt but rather the balance of probabilities.

    13. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Maybe they used some from that time.

      It's well beyond a "maybe".

      KNOWN writings used for comparison were various email writings of Mr. Zuckerberg exchanged with the Plaintiff and related parties during the time period as specified in the Amended Complaint, which totaled 35 emails.

      Jeez...

    14. Re:Not a Reliable Method by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      Right. On the other hand, is he going to write like a doofus to the owner of half his company? I'm not saying it doesn't have merit, it just isn't that reliable compared to other methods of determining authorship.

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    15. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I'm certain jurors will put aside their prejudices and think like a statician. I am rather curious (I am assuming this is a jury trial) who they managed to get for untampered jurors given how much "Facebook" is a household name, like Jello, Google, and Toyota.

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    16. Re:Not a Reliable Method by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      That is a more reliable method.

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    17. Re:Not a Reliable Method by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's a proper name of the network - like Fidonet, or Freenet. (as opposed to generic names like darknet or intranet. Ethernet, on the other hand, is a brand name.)

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    18. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Is he casting spells?

    19. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand if you're a smartass silver-spoon kid you're going to write differently to your ivy-league friends than to a wood pallet salesman that you need favors from. You're going to dumb-down your writing so the wood pallet salesman can relate to you and won't think you're an elitist dweeb.

      So if I was on the jury I don't think this evidence would really be that compelling.

    20. Re:Not a Reliable Method by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      First, many people (including my mother) have little to no idea what Facebook is.

      Second, it isn't a criteria of jury selection that they never heard of the company.

    21. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      First, many people (including my mother) have little to no idea what Facebook is.

      Possibly though these people--at least by my observation--are becoming quite rare, and generally geriatric and very rural.

      Second, it isn't a criteria of jury selection that they never heard of the company.

      True, but from my experience people usually have a polarized opinion about the site.

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    22. Re:Not a Reliable Method by David+Chappell · · Score: 1

      First, many people (including my mother) have little to no idea what Facebook is.

      Possibly though these people--at least by my observation--are becoming quite rare, and generally geriatric and very rural.

      Sure, Facebook is very popular, but I don't think one has to be computer illiterate in order to know "little or nothing" about it. Well, lets see what I know about Facebook:

      • It is a website
      • Its users create personal web pages
      • They can link these web pages to the web pages of other users
      • I suppose there are one or more ways for the users to send messages to one another
      • This website belongs to a category called "social networking"

      I would call this "little or nothing". Nor do I think this weird. I know about Facebook about as much as I know about the NFL, Dancing with the Stars, or the Ford Motor Company.

    23. Re:Not a Reliable Method by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if it's a proper noun (as in referring to *the* Internet, then it should be capitalised). Back in the day the word internet may have been used as a common noun to describe *an* internet. That practice has probably declined.

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    24. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      That really doesn't have to do with the "bias" issue I was trying to raise. The goal of jury selection is to obtain a panel without preconceived bias. Lay persons such as you elude to with your example can very well, and as far as I can tell generally do have a strong opinion about the service. Typically favorable. An attack on Facebook is an attack on their way of life. Or, for those in the know, the opinion seems to strongly swing negative. For them an attack on Facebook would be a way to stick it to Zuckerburg for selling out people's privacy.

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    25. Re:Not a Reliable Method by bell.colin · · Score: 1

      "reasonable doubt" is used in crimal court the term used to win in civil court is "preponderance of evidence"

    26. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      True, but from my experience people usually have a polarized opinion about the site.

      I feel strongly that the site is a big waste of time, but I have absolutely no opinion on the ownership of the site.

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    27. Re:Not a Reliable Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the MLA guidelines for posting on an internet forum would require that the sentence:

      You rascal, what does this "L.O.L. cat" have to do with our current discussion sir.

      be written as:

      WTF newfag, offtopic cat is offtopic you shitstain

    28. Re:Not a Reliable Method by somersault · · Score: 1

      The language Zuckerberg uses is actually dumber than what the dumb guy wrote to try and sound smart. RTFA :P

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  6. Styles change. by Aladrin · · Score: 1

    It's easy to learn to use apostrophes correctly, and find out that charm works better than being stiff.

    I will admit, in general, it shouldn't change with all those points in just a few years, but it's hardly 'proof'... Just a likelihood. Certainly not enough to throw the case all on its own.

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    1. Re:Styles change. by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 0

      ...and find out that charm works better than being stiff.

      Ron Jeremy begs to differ.

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    2. Re:Styles change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA According to the actual court document: " KNOWN writings used for comparison were various email writings of Mr. Zuckerbergexchanged with the Plaintiff and related parties during the time period as specified in the Amended Complaint, which totaled 35 emails

      stolen from aladrin.

    3. Re:Styles change. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yeah, I could write "proper" english quite well, but most of the time i wouldn't bother, however if I was writing something serious, like a blog posting that I knew would get printed on paper media and attributed to me as a writing then I might put in the effort to write in that style, style is also all about who will be doing the reading, I don't think Zuckerberg bothers maintaining specific style to every letter - and if it's a business dealing then it's quite usual to switch to a wholly different approach to writing.

      but if some emails are all they got, it's not going to matter that much(I would think that they would need at least a money trail through some bank, some written things, photos and the whole 9 yards to prove now that they deserve all that internet money which is largely still just internet money, can't be cashed out).

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    4. Re:Styles change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zuckerberg went to Harvard, so I assume he knew the rules of English grammar, then and now.

      If there was a change in style over time, you'd expect it in the direction of being more casual rather than more strict, in keeping with the general twitter vibe.

    5. Re:Styles change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter if sytles change. They have 175 emails between Zuckerburg and Cegelia from that period from the Harvard account. The comparison between styles was done with those. If two people are working together then there will be alot of email between the two. If the Cegelia emails don't match in style to the rest of the conversation then it is good evidense of a forgery.

    6. Re:Styles change. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I will admit, in general, it shouldn't change with all those points in just a few years

      The whole point is that the linguistics experts compared the alleged fake emails to proven-real emails _from the same time_, not to his current ones.

      Atleast I find it very much unlikely that Zuckerberg would've somehow unlearned how to use apostrophes, capitalization and ellipsis correctly every time he contacted the other person, but again picked up on the correct grammar every time he was communicating with other people.

    7. Re:Styles change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you don't think Slashdot posting is serious enough to write proper English for. Get 'em, boys!

    8. Re:Styles change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are in college, somebody approaches you to do some business... of course you make sure that your apostrophes are in the right places, no?
      When discussing beer and cheeks, who cares...

    9. Re:Styles change. by firewrought · · Score: 1

      I find it very much unlikely that Zuckerberg would've somehow unlearned how to use apostrophes, capitalization and ellipsis correctly every time he contacted the other person, but again picked up on the correct grammar every time he was communicating with other people.

      I see five possibilities:

      1. The emails are fabricated and Ceglia's claims are false.
      2. The emails are fabricated and Ceglia's claims are true in substance. (E.g., the emails were fabricated to bolster a weak but legitimate case.)
      3. The emails are not fabricated and the expert (who was hired by the defense) is compromised.
      4. The emails are not fabricated and Zuckerberg used a different linguistic style by accident. (E.g., personal style can shift depending on audience [do you cuss in front of your parents?] or technology [do you use shorthand when texting?].)
      5. The emails are not fabricated and Zuckerberg used a different linguistic style on purpose. (E..g, to purposefully deny authorship later.)

      Interesting facets about these conclusions:

      • Conclusion 3 seems unlikely because the linguistic arguments stand on their own... you and I can read them and make sense out of it without problem (unlike, say, a debate about climate change). If there's a hole in the argument (such as incorrect citing or an incomplete corpus), the plaintiff will be able to find and explain it to a jury easily.
      • It's hard to imagine a college student to have the foresight required by conclusion 5, but as linguistic analysis becomes more widely known and understood by the general public, so too will the number of folks who deliberately plan this obfuscation ahead of time.
      • (Opinion) To me, the affidavit seems to overwhelmingly favor conclusion 1. If the emails were fabricated, watch for the plaintiffs to try ignore or hand-wave the linguistic arguments aside.
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    10. Re:Styles change. by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      I was actually rooting for that scum bag businessman Ceglia. Whatever, I still hate Zuckerbergs guts. Hes a big asshole that doesn't deserve his position in life. He came from money, had opportunities handed to him, acts like an asshole with his "Im CEO Bitch" business cards, isn't even as intelligent as that shitty movie makes him out to be, and stole the idea for his website from some other Harvard assholes. Hes as bad as those dickheads at Zynga that steal everyone's ideas and charge people for imaginary items. Funny how they are in cahoots. I don't even have a problem with Jewish people or any race for that matter, but Zuckerberg comes across as the biggest stereotype for the idea of what a "Jew" is by antisemitic people everywhere.

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    11. Re:Styles change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i write differently based on my audience. what's weird about that? i don't flaunt my aplomb for the written word or play grammar cop in places where literacy is unimportant, and i don't (intentionally) write with poor style or punctuation when the message requires even a modicum of composition. however, if someone wanted to pay me to tell a bunch of strangers there's no way a person would selectively use apostrophes or make comma splices if they had ever previously demonstrated good grammar practice, i'd probably take the cash and hope everyone was bright enough to realize it was only the money talking.

    12. Re:Styles change. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      The emails are not fabricated and Zuckerberg used a different linguistic style by accident. (E.g., personal style can shift depending on audience [do you cuss in front of your parents?] or technology [do you use shorthand when texting?].)

      Interesting dilemma, yes, but atleast the quoted part seems highly unlikely. After all, they are comparing e-mails to e-mails, and even those are all between business partners. If Zuckerberg had struck a deal that he is claimed to have struck that would also make it business-related discussion. There is no reason for Zuckerberg to try to shorten his messages or leave out commas in this case; after all, all the e-mails were most likely written on a full desktop computer with a complete keyboard. I also got the impression that all these acquaintances of his are on a similar footing in their relationship with Zuckerberg, ie. they're more-or-less just business partners and acquaintances, not friends.

      Thus there is really no explanation for why his style would change so radically when in touch with this one, single person, even so much as to affect his use of ellipsis. I mean, e.g how you type ellipsis -- ie. with or without spaces -- is so deeply hidden in your subconscious that it's almost a reflex; you just don't suddenly start using spaces when you're always doing it without.

    13. Re:Styles change. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      i write differently based on my audience.

      Too bad for you then that in this case all the compared e-mails seem to be from business-related discussions with acquaintances, not friends. And even then, people are more likely to write more casually with people they're close with, but in this case Zuckerberg would've written casually with a person whom he was not a friend with. That goes against basic human nature.

  7. I'm conflicted by Linsaran · · Score: 1

    Can I still blame Facebook and other social media sites for the gradual acceptance of butchered English? Since Zuckerberg doesn't seem like he goes around shortening 'cause' to 'cuz', leaving 'I' as 'i' and neglecting punctuation wherever possible; can I still put part of the blame on him when it becomes proper 'english' to open a formal letter with 'sup', and close it with 'holla back'?

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    1. Re:I'm conflicted by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      The blame probably goes much further back to something like IRC. Although that probably attracted a more intelligent crowd - perhaps blame AOL. Usually a safe move.

    2. Re:I'm conflicted by jd · · Score: 1

      AOL wishes to plead innocence through reason of insanity.

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    3. Re:I'm conflicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot your Oxford comma, and that misguided semi-colon makes you look like a fucking dumbass.

      Also, you forgot to capitalize 'English'.

      You're so far from being proper yourself that I can't possibly understand why you're bitching.

    4. Re:I'm conflicted by smelch · · Score: 1

      The only time semi-colons are used outside of academia is in an attempt to show off; see?

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    5. Re:I'm conflicted by saider · · Score: 1

      AOL should plead innocence through reason of diminished mental capacity.

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  8. yeah, sure. by drolli · · Score: 0

    The writing style of people never changes between 20 and 35. Its totally constant and als always the same regardless with whom they communicate.

    1. Re:yeah, sure. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Try reading the article, the comparison documents were taken from the same period as the questionable document.

      Slashdot commenters aren't even trying these days...

    2. Re:yeah, sure. by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      And I'm needing chest-waders for all this BS and bad "science".

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    3. Re:yeah, sure. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Good thing that the linguist was comparing against emails from the same period of time, no?

    4. Re:yeah, sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The writing style of people never changes between 20 and 35. Its totally constant and als always the same regardless with whom they communicate.

      A fact which should haunt you.

    5. Re:yeah, sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were they comparing emails addressed to the same persons too?
      Because I bet it must be only you who uses the same writing style no matter if you are sending an email to your friends, your girlfriends, your teachers, your probation officer, ...

    6. Re:yeah, sure. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Were they comparing emails addressed to the same persons too?

      Yes.

      KNOWN writings used for comparison were various email writings of Mr. Zuckerberg exchanged with the Plaintiff and related parties during the time period as specified in the Amended Complaint, which totaled 35 emails.

    7. Re:yeah, sure. by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      And while we're at it, there are ways a person's writing style might change and ways it simply never will.

              I just deliberately shifted to a more casual mode, by using the opening phrase "And while we're at it", as though I was standing physically next to 'Richard_at_work' and just adding my two cents without much reflection, immediately after he had finished. As part of giving my post that slightly more casual flavor, I used the contraction "we're". I might have been more formal than to presume acquaintance with 'Richard_at_work' just because I find myself in agreement with him on this point, but I'd feel pretty silly going to casual mode and then turning around and insisting on "we are".

                  OTOH, I know the difference between the contraction 'it's' and the possessive 'its'. If for some reason I'm more concerned over getting an answer off quickly than writing well, I would still try to avoid mangling those two. I might write more run on sentences. I might fail to spot a case where I had a singular/plural mismatch. But, If all those things are happening many times as often as I usually make such mistakes, it's not a stylistic change, it's a cerebral haemorrhage. There are things that have become real pet peeves of mine - such as people using the word 'between' when there are less than three things implied in their statements. (an object has to be between at least two other objects - if there is only one other object, the first object is beside it, not between it). I'm never going to write 'for all intensive purposes', or call a porpoise a fish, or think a light year is a unit of time, and if I use etcetera more than once in a row, I'm channelling the King of Siam. My writing style simply won't change in such ways.

            I'll save time abbreviating On The Other Hand to a ETLA if I think the typical person I'm posting to will understand it. I'll push the envelope and use ETLA in a place such as Slashdot where some readers will recognise the joke. I'll ignore the English standard spell checker that wants me to go back up and ad a 'u' to 'flavor' in my second paragraph, and If I'd spelled 'recognise' with a z in common American fashion, I would have left it. However, when I caught myself writing "like Slashdot", I couldn't relax until I corrected that mistake.

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    8. Re:yeah, sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, TFA never mentions the time period. You have to follow a link in TFA to the actual court documents.

    9. Re:yeah, sure. by bitflippant · · Score: 1

      Flavor only contracts for U ads in the US, In the UK the U is added automatically.

    10. Re:yeah, sure. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Still, I'd want to see evidence establishing that this technique is reliable before giving much credence to such expert testimony. For all we know people who are committing fraud commit more punctuation mistakes, or write more formally. If you can't show that this methodology has support in the peer reviewed literature, it's just amateur forensic speculation.

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    11. Re:yeah, sure. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Linguistical analysis has a long history in courts the world over - and like any other expert witness, it boils down to who has the more credible witness.

      But the technique has been well established as reliable enough to produce acceptable testimony in court.

  9. Grammar can change... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a lot in 10 years.

    1. Re:Grammar can change... by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      Give a computer + Internet for 60 year old person and teach how to use email + chat and in few months grammar have changed a lot.
      Give same for a 10-15 year old and you just get l33t or SMStalk

  10. This Entire Lawsuit Just Makes Me Believe That by The+O+Rly+Factor · · Score: 1

    Now that Zuck has a good 12 billion to his name, he is really desperately trying to bury this skeleton in his closet by throwing money at it. Come on, we've all been 17 and unemployed at one time, and would sign just about any piece of paper that would promise us better work than bagging groceries. Sure Ceglia is a grade A scumbag, but so is Zuck, and he deserves to have a stupid mistake like this come back and bite him in the ass now that his ass is actually worth something.

  11. Idea for a game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Zuckerberg and the Privacy Mindbenders

    1. Re:Idea for a game by Trilkin · · Score: 2

      Sounds more like a band name.

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  12. Bonus points for the semi-colon! by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Off-topic and pointless maybe, but I use them a lot in my own writing. I remember a handful of esoteric grammatical tips from way back in high school that I've found really help out with bringing the context of conversation to the written word. I'm no grammar god, but it's disappointing to see how much knowledge of the intricacies of our written language is being lost in the era of LOLs and ZOMGs. I'm a casual reader of the classics, and it's amazing how pervasive beautiful writing was even at the lowest tiers of education; e.g. Civil War-era letters from soldiers to their loved ones (lol).

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    1. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my most common edits to Wikipedia articles is to replace commas with semi-colons; it's a dying art!

    2. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by sodul · · Score: 2

      I would assume that the lowest tiers were not even able to read, so the soldiers you mention might have been the equivalent of upper middle class nowadays. See Literacy in North America: "In 1870, 20 percent of the entire adult population was illiterate, and 80 percent of the black population was illiterate".

    3. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Language changes. I have no doubt there will be people 200-400 years from now that will read our English and rant and rave about how awesome it is. Maybe they will appreciate its more informal and rational formatting, or maybe they will be writing in mathematical language. I can't even read Shakespeare without having to sit and think on every page for about an hour, maybe they will have the same problem and mistake it for "beauty".

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    4. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by EuclideanSilence · · Score: 1

      I'm a casual reader of the classics. . .

      To what do you refer to as classics, and do you recommend any in particular?

    5. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by s2v16 · · Score: 1

      I'm a casual reader of the classics, and it's amazing how pervasive beautiful writing was even at the lowest tiers of education; e.g. Civil War-era letters from soldiers to their loved ones (lol).

      Wouldn't a dash or a parenthesis be more appropriate than a semi-colon in this sentence?

    6. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      I can't even read Shakespeare without having to sit and think on every page for about an hour

      Cheer up. The medium is the problem.

      The primary reason you cannot read Shakespeare is because Shakespeare himself never intended for you to try and read his work like a novel. And I believe most (all?) of his sonnets were intended for private consumption, with a specific individual in mind for whom those words would easily land.

      Shakespeare created plays, which would entail dialogue that would be interpreted by a professional actors under the direction of someone who understood the material, probably Shakespeare himself.

      You did not really read the play. You read the script. The script is the dialogue itself, virtually bereft of the stage direction that Shakespeare himself would have provided in person to a group of professional performers.

      The bottom line is that Shakespeare is hard to read because it was not meant to be read. Professional actors read and re-read scripts many, many times before they understand them well enough to attempt to create a play from them. One should not expect the effort to be less for you, just because you are sitting alone in a comfy chair with a college degree under you belt.

      (In fact, it might be a lot easier if you and a few friends tried to read it aloud, and figure out what it meant together.)

    7. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Great, so you've shown that 80% of the population in 1870 was literate. The upper middle class and rich (commonly defined as having household incomes greater than $100,000) are about 15% of the population today. Since you are assuming some sort of socioeconomic structure equivalence, that means we can assume that roughly 65% of the literate adults in the U.S. in 1870 would not be the equivalent of "upper middle class" or above. Chances are that many of those 65% wrote letters in the Civil War.

      Also, many recent detailed literacy studies have shown that 15-25% of adults in the U.S. today are functionally illiterate, a number that hasn't really changed since the first fairly reliable literacy tests were given to much of the population during the WWI draft -- this despite the fact that the average number of years of education has more than doubled over the past century. There's little reason to suppose that those numbers were significantly different during Civil War times, especially given that literacy rates dropped in the late 19th and early 20th century due to immigration. (Literacy in most other countries was markedly lower than the U.S. during the 19th century, so most immigration tended to lower literacy.) Thus, the overall percentage of people literate enough to write letters probably hasn't changed much since the Civil War, though the racial trends have changed quite a bit.

      Lastly -- anecdotally, both of my grandfathers wrote letters and kept journals during WWII (which I've recently come upon). Neither of them had more than a 6th-grade education (common for that generation) and were hardly upper middle class. They wrote significantly better than the college students whose essays I have graded at fairly elite institutions. They also both had very legible handwriting, which would today be expected of only calligraphers.

      What was your point again?

    8. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      I don't mean exclusively the ancients if that's what you're wondering. Pretty much anything over 50 years back. Google for the 100 greatest novels; an audio collection from about 15 years ago. I'm in the 70s after about 15 years. My favorite by far is Moby-Dick. That might be because I feel like I understand it almost completely. My other favorites so far:

      * Les Miserable
      * The Grapes of Wrath
      * Anna Karenina
      * War and Peace
      * A Tale of Two Cities

      I'm a slow reader though, so 4-5 a year is the best I can manage. Especially when the language slows me down. I really liked Paradise Lost, but the language was so difficult I had to stop about 1/3 through.

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    9. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      I can't even read Shakespeare without having to sit and think on every page for about an hour

      Cheer up. The medium is the problem.

      Umm, no. You do make a good point: I've certainly been to performances of Shakespeare where many obscure words and idioms were made reasonably clear through good acting.

      But that isn't the main problem. Try reading the script from a Broadway musical of the past few decades; you may not get all the nuance immediately, but it is a lot easier to comprehend than Shakespeare.

      The problem is that most people who aren't scholars of Early Modern English (including the vast majority of actors) think that they can just "figure it out" by looking up a few archaic words. But that is generally insufficient for full understanding. Individual words carry all sorts of connotations that have changed in sometimes subtle and sometimes significant ways, while idiomatic uses of those words may carry further meaning. Over a century ago, some scholars were already pointing out how large the gap is and how much audiences (and readers) are missing, as in the example in the "Botching Shakespeare" article here which analyzes a well-known Polonius speech

      The language has changed a lot in 400 years. Pretending that it hasn't and all you need is a decent actor to fix that means that you probably aren't getting a lot of the subtleties from the plays... unless you're the kind of person who spends hours each day sifting through arcane shifts in meaning in the OED.

    10. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Neither of them had more than a 6th-grade education (common for that generation) and were hardly upper middle class. They wrote significantly better than the college students whose essays I have graded at fairly elite institutions. They also both had very legible handwriting, which would today be expected of only calligraphers.

      That's indeed something I've been wondering about, too, at times. It seems that for some reason the value we in modern societies place on grammar skills and functional writing has declined sharpy, even though we still need those skills. In past times phones were not as widespread and available to everyone, yet alone cell phones which provide you communication capabilities on-the-go, and more importantly you had to make certain that when the other party receives your message they'll understand it, every word, since it wasn't possible to just ask what you meant without atleast a week's delay; ie. you had to make every word count, both individually and as complete, coherent sentences. Today we seemingly trade quality of information/communication with excess amounts of it, and sadly schools seem to be picking up on the same trend. It is just saddening to see how high you can score nowadays on tests and exams even with papers full of errors, incoherent sentence structures and just plain-old lack of vocabulary.

      I suppose one of the reasons that contributes to this trend is that texting and calling in case of misunderstandings is simply perceived as more efficient than putting down the time to write something as clearly as possible in the beginning, and similarly it contributes to our feeling of being in touch with other people, ie. it caters to our need to feel social.

    11. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another anecdote: my maternal grandfather (and his seven brothers) grew up in the 1920s in Aston, a notorious slum in Birmingham (in the UK). Their father died in WWI and their mother spent every waking hour trying to earn enough to feed them. They were so poor that their mother always said WWII was the best thing that could have happened to them because it provided an exit from the slum. Yet my grandfather's letters home are beautifully written, in both senses.

    12. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by EuclideanSilence · · Score: 1

      Thanks, my favorite "classic" is probably the Tragedy of Julius Caesar, but it's a play.

    13. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      I'm a casual reader of the classics, and it's amazing how pervasive beautiful writing was even at the lowest tiers of education; e.g. Civil War-era letters from soldiers to their loved ones (lol).

      Wouldn't a dash or a parenthesis be more appropriate than a semi-colon in this sentence?

      Indeed. A comma would be the most common choice. It seems odd to nitpick punctuation in a post highlighting the power of punctuation. Nevertheless, a semicolon is most often used to connect two independent clauses that lack a conjunction. There are few other less-common uses for semicolons these days, but this sentence doesn't really fit any of them. To introduce an example or set of examples (as in the sentence in question), one would generally use a colon or dash. However, since the example is preceded by "e.g." here, a comma or perhaps parentheses would be more appropriate. (In older punctuation styles, the e.g. would be surrounded by commas, since it literally means "for example." So, in this case, "...lowest tiers or education, e.g., Civil War-era letters....")

    14. Re:Bonus points for the semi-colon! by s2v16 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the very detailed explanation.

  13. You're not Zuckerberg. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You apparently can't be bothered to make the trivial motion required to use your shift key.

    You're not Zuckerberg; and holding such laziness, I doubt you're capable of brutally executing like he has. Your anecdote, good sir, is invalid.

  14. So when by mr1911 · · Score: 1

    do they compare the emails in question to Ceglia's writing style?

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  15. roofl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ignorant slashdot niggers commenting in this article

  16. the missing step by paiute · · Score: 1

    1. steal idea
    2. hack up code
    3. lawyer up
    4. profit!

    our work is done

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  17. When CmdrTaco wrote Apostrphes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think we all know he meant apostrophe's.

  18. Sig-nature by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    Pre-Investment Zuckerberg: j00 sux0r! 4ll ur B4ss R b3long 2 Z!

    "On October 24, 2007, Microsoft announced that it had purchased a 1.6% share of Facebook for $240 million, giving Facebook a total implied value of around $15 billion." - Wikipedia

    Post-Investment Zuckerberg: I, Mr. Zuckerberg, am sorry to inform you that you are inadequate for consideration. Hence force, I will purchase all of your base. To wit I declare, "For great justice."

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  19. The crux of the biscuit.... by davek · · Score: 1

    is the apostrophe

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  20. aka by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    American Standard Sociopath.

  21. Harvard Student by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

    Who woulda thunk a Harvard student would have no problems keeping track of where apostrophes go. I can't imagine proper use of the English language was something that he only recently developed...

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    1. Re:Harvard Student by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Who woulda thunk a Harvard dropout would have no problems keeping track of where apostrophes go. I can't imagine proper use of the English language was something that he only recently developed...

      There, fixed that for you.

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  22. you'll see a lot more of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anytime you see more circumstantial evidence, just remember "yep, slashdot told me this would happen."

    The fact is, the case is so watertight that the only defense Facebook has is to deny the whole thing took place in any way, shape, or form - that it is a fabrication whole cloth. But it wasn't, so you can't have Zuckerberg on the jury stand saying "I've never met the guy, never signed that contract in the hotel room, never collaborated with him on a yearbook site" because it's not true, the Zuck would be in prison for perjury before you know it. So, instead, you will have Facebook adamantly insist that the whole thing is invented out of thin air, without Zuckerberg saying so himself in front of the camera; meanwhile Facebook will start producing circumstantial arguments in line with their "whole sale fraud" position.

    Believe me, I've been on the other side of this. The facts are clear as daylight, Zuck is Fucked, and he can't say a word about it -- can't say a word matching Facebook's position. He has to hide behind facebook lawyers bringing up circumstantial refutations.

    Remember, you heard it here first guys!

  23. how come Zuckerberg doesn't come out and say he di by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how come Zuckerberg doesn't come out and say "What! I never wrote ANY of those emails". That's what a real person's reaction would be, if they were this associated with a brand. Only a guilty party would say "Actually, let's see what this forensic expert has to say about these emails".

  24. A fun version by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

    Similar in technique to this: http://iwl.me/ - give it a few paragraphs of your own writing and you'll get a comparison to some famous person or other.

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    1. Re:A fun version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That site is worthless but hilarious. Pasting in the complete text of Edgar Allen Poe's "The Raven" gets you William Shakespeare, but drop an n-bomb anywhere in any length of text and suddenly your style of authorship changes to Mark Twain. Mention Jews too often? Now you're Kurt Vonnegut. Paste in direct quotes from Hitler? Writes like Dan Brown.

  25. Simple by synapse7 · · Score: 1

    He has a better version of office than he had back then.

  26. Danegeld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cegelia looked at the following facts:
    A) Zuckerburg was rich.
    B) Zuckerburg was not trustworthy.
    C) Zuckerburg paid out danegeld to the Winklevoss Twins. If they can get a settlement over an 'idea' then surely so can I.
    D) Cegelia was able to rip Zuckerburg off in the past on the StreetFax business.
    He is just a scam artist going after what he thought was a easy target.

    I am not looking forward to Cegelia owning any sizable portion of Facebook. I use it some. I would have to switch if this guy becomes a major shareholder.

  27. This is Facebook we're takling about, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somehow, the fate of Facebook hanging on Zuckerberg's grammar skills is wholly ironic, given that his product is almost singlehandedly responsible for the downfall of the grammar skill in today's society. It'd serve him right if the court found that although the emails do have a tone not like Zuckerberg's,, they're presumptively his because "this isn't school, grammar doesn't count anymore" (yes, I've seen that as a response on Facebook).

  28. Back at least to radio telegraphy. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    The blame probably goes much further back to something like IRC.

    Back farther: To pre-internet "chat" and conferencing programs on timesharing computers. And further to Morse code radio telegraphy. (Wired telegraph didn't promote shortening words because it was billed by the word - but didn't send punctuation marks, either.)

    My take:

    On one hand some stuff (like limited size text messaging on twitter and SMS with latter's typically rotten keypad interface) promotes extreme abbreviation, rebus-style phonetic respellings, and the like.

    On the other, some of this technology actually promotes literacy. Netnews and mailing lists, along with their successors (personal web sites, blogs, and news-followup commenting, especially on controversial subjects) are prime examples. Reading comprehension helps in the formulation of an argument while good grammarand spelling helps convince the readership (much like a clear voice and high-class accent). Participants tend to realize this (or have their noses rubbed in it by their opponents) and with practice improve greatly. And integrated spelling (and even grammar) checkers in editing and posting tools helps further.

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  29. D'oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats apostrophe's, you eedjit!