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Facebook Facial Recognition Raises New Privacy Concerns

c0lo writes "Now might be a good time to check your Facebook privacy settings as many Facebook users are reporting that the site has enabled the face recognition in the last few days without giving users any notice. Once again, Facebook seems to be sharing personal information by default, instead on users having to 'opt-in'. Some other comments and an interesting reaction from Google and how to get around/disable it."

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  1. How This Happens: by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook Admin 1: It's like they'll just keep coming back, keep using our services, no matter what we do to them.

    Facebook Admin 2: Strange. Might as well take advantage of it while it lasts. Let's share more of their data by default then.

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    1. Re:How This Happens: by itchythebear · · Score: 4, Funny

      Facebook Admin 3: Hey check it out, I'm gonna reset itchythebear's notification settings again!

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    2. Re:How This Happens: by SirAstral · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is proof that you either do not work in IT or you are at the bottom of the totem pole. Admins don't make very many decisions. Admins find problems and fix them after they have approval from their managers. I have yet worked for a company that has let their Admins make a decision anywhere that big on their own.

      This was an IN YOUR FACE managerial action!

      On a side note, it also proves why people are stupid and perfectly explains why everyone keeps electing liars into office. After a couple hundred years of recorded modern history nothing new is under the sun. Politicians can flat out tell their followers that they are not taking bribes with $100 bills falling out of their stuffed pockets and the followers believe.

      Yeehaw!!!!

    3. Re:How This Happens: by causality · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is proof that you either do not work in IT or you are at the bottom of the totem pole.

      If you want to nitpick, I have the perfect solution. Copy my previous post into a text editor. Substitute "Manager" for "Admin". Now you have your own perfect copy and can move on to the point I was making about their userbase.

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    4. Re:How This Happens: by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't know how right you are.
      Check out these IM's from Zuckerberg himself:

      Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

      Zuck: Just ask.

      Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

      [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

      Zuck: People just submitted it.

      Zuck: I don't know why.

      Zuck: They "trust me"

      Zuck: Dumb fucks.

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    5. Re:How This Happens: by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They have already apologised for it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13693791

      My bet is they planned to just turn it on and apologise later because it would still be more profitable than trying to get everyone to switch it on voluntarily. Also some great free publicity for their new feature.

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  2. And the downside is? by paro12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I get that once again Facebook has opted people into a new feature, but I'm not sure I get what all the anger is about. As far as I can tell, all this does is allow people who you have already accepted as friends to make it easier to tag their photos... Please somebody explain the downside to me. Its not like the same people couldn't have tagged you anyway, they just would have had to do it manually. I know I for one am excited by this since it makes the process of uploading pictures that much quicker.

    1. Re:And the downside is? by SirAstral · · Score: 2

      How about because no matter how benign you believe some piece of information is, should you NOT have the right to dictate how its is used?

      Just saying!!!

    2. Re:And the downside is? by second_coming · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The correct way of implementing this would be the next time you log in it asks whether it is ok to turn this feature on (with a proper explanation of the pros and cons of doing so). That way the average user of Facebook would be able to make an informed decision as to whether they want it on or off.

    3. Re:And the downside is? by gnick · · Score: 2

      Once you've voluntarily handed that data to Facebook, then no, you don't get to dictate how it's used. Check the EULA. Hate to play devil's advocate, but that's the way it works, sorry. Even if somebody else shares data that bears your exact likeness, your issue is with the person that shared it, not Facebook. I'm not a huge FB fan, but I'm not sure they're stepping outside their bounds here, even though it feels uncomfortable.

      Just saying!!!

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    4. Re:And the downside is? by QuasiSteve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But facebook can already do that - this isn't related to what facebook may or may not be doing behind the scenes.

      Any third party with facial recognition software can also do this, but they'll need access to the people's profiles first.

      And that's where a major change may be. Say you 'friend' a certain festival organizer because hey, if you friend them, you can keep updated on developments, or you get a discount, or whatever.
      So you go to that festival, you have a good time, you also - unfortunately - get shitfaced.
      The festival organizer takes pictures during the event, and posts them online.
      Suddenly, you're not just some random guy in a festival picture that, albeit not impossible to find, requires a certain level of effort. No, now you're a tagged guy, and one needs but click through to get to your profile.

      Now, yes.. you -chose- to friend the festival organizers., and by going to the festival you, implicitly or explicitly, agreed to photos of the festival to be used in publication, and so forth and so on.
      The question is, did you knowingly and willingly also allow them to - automatically or otherwise - tag you in those photos?
      The "knowingly" would certainly need scrutinizing, as the article seems to imply that facebook enabled by default and didn't particular let you know (I'm sure it can be found somewhere and you're supposed to check that every 10 minutes for whatever consent-who-needs-consent change they implemented this time) - and with it, the "willingly" part.

    5. Re:And the downside is? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I get that once again Facebook has opted people into a new feature, but I'm not sure I get what all the anger is about.

      So, let me give you a thought experiment.

      Say I don't have a Facebook account now (which I don't). But, say, Facebook has turned on facial recognition for all of the existing users (which they have).

      So, this weekend if I go downtown to where all of the bars and nightlife are, and I start snapping pictures of people doing various things. Quietly, and unobtrusively mind you.

      Now, say I create a facebook account with false profile information, solely so I can upload pictures of people I don't know doing various (and possibly stupid) things. You're no longer some random, mostly anonymous guy in a picture which could have been anywhere ... you're Bob from Detroit. And that guy with the crack pipe is your friend Dave and he's got an outstanding warrant.

      By Facebook opting you in to having facial recognition done on you ... how many random people I have never met would be covered by them doing facial recognition on my pictures and associating them with you?

      They opted you into something which potentially has fairly broad privacy implications. And, since they have it, the governments might subpoena them for the underlying data so they can feed it into their own system that keep track of citizens (and, they'll make sure Facebook doesn't tell anyone).

      Is my example somewhat contrived and a little extreme? Absolutely. Do I think it's a plausible scenario? Sadly, yes.

      The point is, they enable a lot of information gathering about people that can happen without any knowledge or consent. Which is what Facebook does every time they add a new feature. And, which is why I won't use Facebook.

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    6. Re:And the downside is? by paro12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, this weekend if I go downtown to where all of the bars and nightlife are, and I start snapping pictures of people doing various things. Quietly, and unobtrusively mind you.

      Now, say I create a facebook account with false profile information, solely so I can upload pictures of people I don't know doing various (and possibly stupid) things. You're no longer some random, mostly anonymous guy in a picture which could have been anywhere ... you're Bob from Detroit. And that guy with the crack pipe is your friend Dave and he's got an outstanding warrant.

      If this is the case, then yes I have a huge problem with it. But thats not the way facebook works (yet)...By my reading, it will work as with most other aspects of Facebook. If you have set it up so only friends can view your profile information, pictures, etc. then in only those peoples uploads will you be autotagged. If you allow friends of friends, or groups you belong to to see your information then those peoples uploads will contain your data, etc.

    7. Re:And the downside is? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If this is the case, then yes I have a huge problem with it. But thats not the way facebook works (yet)

      Well, given all of the news coverage from Facebook over the last few years ... I simply don't trust them to not suddenly make this information public in another few months. Not a little. They have a repeated pattern of deciding all of your information should be public ... the solution is to give them nothing.

      And, really, it would be naive to think they haven't done it in the background and even if they haven't (yet) decided to show information to un-linked persons ... when the DHS shows up to them with a subpoena and a picture of someone and says "give us everything you have on this and if you tell anybody you go to jail".

      Even the governments who claim to be bastions of freedom and democracy (I think we all know who I mean) have been shady about this kind of stuff. So, you'll forgive me if I have no trust whatsoever for Facebook in this regard.

      Hell, didn't Google just decide not to roll out facial recognition because it opened up too many privacy issues?

      Regardless of what it looks like to a given user, there's likely far more information sitting on Facebook's servers than they'll admit to. I think someone should start stalking Zuckerburg and his family and friends to be sure as much of their private information is made public .. that's more or less what they're doing to everyone else.

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    8. Re:And the downside is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Facebook allows you to remove you name from tags. It sends me an email when someone tags me and I then go remove the tag. I don't get many notifications of this because most people don't seem to bother doing the tags. However if the tags are automatically offered to people, then I will get more notifications and have to do more work to go delete the tags. So, I turned the feature off a couple of weeks ago when it first showed up in the profile.

    9. Re:And the downside is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      I get that once again Facebook has opted people into a new feature, but I'm not sure I get what all the anger is about.

      So, let me give you a thought experiment.

      Say I don't have a Facebook account now (which I don't). But, say, Facebook has turned on facial recognition for all of the existing users (which they have).

      So, this weekend if I go downtown to where all of the bars and nightlife are, and I start snapping pictures of people doing various things. Quietly, and unobtrusively mind you.

      Now, say I create a facebook account with false profile information, solely so I can upload pictures of people I don't know doing various (and possibly stupid) things. You're no longer some random, mostly anonymous guy in a picture which could have been anywhere ... you're Bob from Detroit. And that guy with the crack pipe is your friend Dave and he's got an outstanding warrant.

      By Facebook opting you in to having facial recognition done on you ... how many random people I have never met would be covered by them doing facial recognition on my pictures and associating them with you?

      You're definitely overestimating the capabilities of current facial recognition technology. There is no way for them to sort through EVERY facebook user and figure out who was in that picture you snapped at some night club. What it can do, and what it does, is go through your list of friends and compare the faces in the pictures you took to pictures they have already posted and automatically tags them.

      Once again: This only works for your already existing friends and greatly simplifies the process of tagging your newly uploaded pictures. No real change in privacy here. Get over it.

    10. Re:And the downside is? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      And you know this because you wrote the algorithm?

      I know this as best as I can because one of the links in TFS says so.

      Facebook's more than 500 million users have been automatically included in the database, but the company is allowing each person to choose whether to be identified by toggling a pane in the account's privacy settings.

      The tool would still scan that person's face and figure out who it is, but it won't display that information. People can still manually tag friends.

      The linked article could be talking out of their ass ... but I'm not making up assertions to support my own paranoia. I'm commenting on the story as written -- I R'd TFA, and that's what I got out of it.

      Do you have a link which indicates that they won't do the facial recognition except outside of your list of Facebook friends?

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  3. Facebook account for IT pros? by AtomicJake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This could also be a Slashdot poll: How many IT pros (Web designers do not count, sorry) do you know who have a FB account?
    Personally, I do not know any ...

    1. Re:Facebook account for IT pros? by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't personally have an FB account ... but I do personally know literally dozens of professionals in the IT/consulting industry with FB accounts.

      I fear we may be increasingly in the minority for this.

      Hell, I know people who use their FB account to ask peers technical questions ... just throw out a general "anybody know this?".

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  4. Made a facebook account last night by SydShamino · · Score: 2

    I broke down, gave up, and made a facebook account last night. Apparently that's what I have to do if I want to keep up with my friends, rather than just sit home, alone but for Warcraft and Netflix.

    Their security options were extensive and relatively easy to navigate. It did seem that they were asking the same questions over and over, where they could have just asked me once about some things and been done with it. I could see that someone not so good at diligently following each and every link on the page could accidentally leave some setting at default.

    Overall it seemed fine, as long as I keep apps turned off. That I can live with.

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    1. Re:Made a facebook account last night by Dynetrekk · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know you're honest. You can't have been a facebook user for more than one night :) They'll reset and modify your settings soon enough, young one.

    2. Re:Made a facebook account last night by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you need Facebook to keep up with your friends? You could try actually spending time with them, talking to them, etc.

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  5. Re:Recognise *THIS*, motherfuckers! by guppysap13 · · Score: 2

    I never thought I'd see the day goatse might actually be a positive contribution to a discussion...

  6. Shit, this is what I feared by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My facebooktard family is always posting and tagging pics of me at family gatherings, I knew facial recognition to auto-tag people in pics was the next step...maybe next they'll make "info pages" for nonexistant users, that will practially be an "unmanned" facebook profile filled with 3rd-party information, that you can sign up to claim at any time...great...

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    1. Re:Shit, this is what I feared by Ambvai · · Score: 2

      Hi Bob,

      We just noticed that your friends and family have 4986 photos with you in it! There are embarrassing baby photos, pictures of your drunk college days and even two videos of that porno you made with that sorority girl (You might want to post on her memorial page, may she rest in peace.) too! Join today and keep everybody else from from telling what you've been up to!

    2. Re:Shit, this is what I feared by janestarz · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Person you tagged as being Jane Starz does not have a Facebook account. However: We have found these e-mail addresses, a blog, a Flickr page, twenty-nine forum accounts, pictures from their childhood and two criminal records .
      [ ] Would you like to use our handy app to contact this person?
      [ ] Would you like to create a Facebook page for this person and add all this data to the page with Just One Handy click?
      {Submit} {Cancel} (Wait, that's actually also a submit button, but never mind. Just say yes.)

  7. Very Small Inconvenience by curio_city · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Every time somebody tags a user in a photo, the user is notified and can untag him/herself.

    The algorithm uses images that have already been tagged as X person for the reference. Tagging the wall behind you, or your pants, etc., should confuse the inputs enough to prevent good matches. This affects facebook's ability to find and recognize photos of you, which is slightly separate from other users' ability to find photos of you, since facial recognition indexing will occur even if you untag yourself or "opt out".

    1. Re:Very Small Inconvenience by wjousts · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every time somebody tags a user in a photo, the user is notified and can untag him/herself.

      And if somebody tags a photo of you and you are not a user (IIRC, a Facebook user can tag any picture with your name, even if you are not a Facebook user yourself)? How does Facebook notify you? How can you untag it?

      Answer: you can't.

      Next question, if Facebook is using facial recognition, does it work on non-users? If somebody tags a photo with the name of a non-user, will it look for other photos of that non-user and try and automatically tag them?

      The scary part is that Facebook has a profile for you, even if you have never visited Facebook. Notice all those "Like" buttons on your favorite websites - unless you are never accept cookies, Facebook already has a profile built up for you just in case you decide to join sometime in the future. How nice of them!

  8. Facebook's new motto... by HikingStick · · Score: 2

    It's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

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    1. Re:Facebook's new motto... by Combatso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      when did they ask forgivness?

  9. Social network with Facial Recognition! by Combatso · · Score: 4, Funny

    holy jumpin jesus! they shold have called it FACEbook... oh wait

  10. Goodbye WitSec by sziring · · Score: 2

    It seems the government can save money by eliminating Witness Protection now that global facial recognition is available via Facebook. It's only a matter of time before someone figures out a way to scan all users, not just friends or people that opt in.

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  11. Facebook Privacy Concept is Flawed... by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...since it depends on the commons sense of all your friends. What could possibly go wrong?

    I permanently deleted my facebook account a few weeks ago: a worm was spreading very fast through facebook and for over a week I could not notify facebook about the issue.

    The worm spread via event invitations containing a link to a site that social engineered the people into copying Java script code into their browser so that it would steal their account credentials and propagate further. And facebook does not provide you with any means of contacting anybody at all, let alone from the security team! Instead, you are dependent on those buttons that let you report inappropriate messages or such. Only those event invitations did not have such buttons. I wasted dozens of hours trying to notify them about the scheme but finally gave up and deleted my account.

    I learnt one thing: the privacy concept of facebook is fundamentally flawed as your own private data that you share with friends and family is dependent on the common sense of these friends. It needs only one of them to be stupid enough to follow complex procedures of copying JavaScript code because they think they could find out who viewed their profile or such to completely compromise your privacy.

    I for one am outta there. And if you look closely enough, you find a hell of a lot worms and security vulnerabilities in facebook.

  12. Re:Maybe I'm naive, but... by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Astonishing Tribe had Recognizer, there was Face Match, think back to Operation Nobel Shield. Add in the Local Feature Analysis (LFA) vs the hinted at speed of nodal point databases and the known US populations size - public and private facial recognition is getting interesting, cheap and very fast.
    Your face and someone who is a friend of a friend ... could be on a list. A one person list, a private firm or government - once they have you connected with a pic you uploaded?

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  13. A good thing by mmcuh · · Score: 2

    All the three-letter-agencies that have access to the database almost certainly have been running facial recognition on it for years. Making it visible to users doesn't make it much worse, if anything it's good. Maybe people will start thinking about the consequences of uploading photos of themselves, their friends, their families, their homes etc.

    Or maybe not.