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Want iCloud With Windows? Ditch the XP

halfEvilTech writes "Microsoft isn't the only company denying equal online footing to Windows XP users. Apple will not give PC users access to iCloud – its great digital locker in the sky – if their machines are running Microsoft's aging but still popular Windows XP. Tucked at the bottom of the iCloud announcement, Apple says you'll need a PC running Windows Vista or Windows 7 to jump into Steve Jobs' version of the interwebs."

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  1. Lack of XP support isn't news anymore by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a 10-year old operating system. It was all Windows users had for a long time, and Vista was a flop, but Windows 7 is really good and has a strong adoption rate.

    1. Re:Lack of XP support isn't news anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Heck. Apple does not support their own OS after about two days. Why not XP too?

      But the point is, would windows user ditch their still working fine enough desktop/laptop to buy new shiny windows 7 just to get icloud? I think non-Apple land is little different, and people tend not to buy toys just because the master asked them to.

    2. Re:Lack of XP support isn't news anymore by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>Agreed, but will these small nudges to get users away from XP be enough to get them to change their OS?

      No. Rather than spend $200 or whatever upgrading to Windows 6.1, my operating system will remain stagnant until my P4 machine dies (which should be soon). In the meantime I'm perfectly happy to use older programs (Office97) or free alternatives for my software addons. Most of it is better than what MS or Apple offers anyway - like VLC or Winamp or Utorrent - and supports stuff as old as 98.

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    3. Re:Lack of XP support isn't news anymore by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Although all of this ultimately just hurts Apple. It drives people to buy newer PCs and newer copies of Windows. It drives sales to "the enemy".

      Does it really? If it pushes people to buy a newer PC, it also opens the option of switching to a Mac while they're at it.

      If they need iCloud for their iPhone, iPad or iPod touch, then it means they're already familiar with how Apple software works, switching to Mac OS X isn't a big leap to do and using VMWare Fusion or Parallels they'll be able to keep using their Windows software.

    4. Re:Lack of XP support isn't news anymore by Old97 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With iCloud and iOS5, Grannie can buy an iPad and toss the PC she never learned how to use or manage. iOS5 will use iCloud instead of depending on an iTunes client running on a Mac or Windows PC.

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    5. Re:Lack of XP support isn't news anymore by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No it isn't. The point is not to support any operating systems, but to support an API.

      One of the dependencies of an API is the OS. Did Java or Perl automatically run on every OS when conceived? No someone had to put in the effort to ensure that APIs work on different computer configurations. In the case of Windows programs one of the problems is the plethora of hardware and software differences. Heck there is a large set of Windows API frameworks over the years. Should Apple only write .NET 4.0? Do all users have it installed? What if they don't? Apple has to decide the minimum they will support. Going forward, it won't be XP.

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    6. Re:Lack of XP support isn't news anymore by NaughtyNimitz · · Score: 4, Informative

      3 years? Sorry buddy, the PowerPC G5 was phased out in August 2006: that makes it 5 years in my book.

      And if you really want to the latest stuff, why don't you sell your Mac every 3 to 4 years like I do! This way, i have an actual Cost of Ownership (hardware only) of around 390€ per year!

  2. Re:I have Windows 7 by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not rewarding companies that do things that people don't like is more important to some than having the latest toys.

  3. Stupid Decision. by Haedrian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a bad decision on their part.

    Granted XP is ancient and not very supported, but its still heavily used. If we're talking about end-users, its more likely to go:

    "Aww, not supported. I guess I'll use something else"

    instead of

    "Aww, not supported. Let me pay a few hundred euros to upgrade my OS (and maybe need to improve my hardware) to use this product/service."

  4. I think I'm fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    you'll need a PC running Windows Vista or Windows 7

    Is this "Windows 7 or above"? Because I'm 91 versions ahead.

  5. No surprise - it's Apple's modus operandi by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not only do they not support 98, or 2000, or XP, they also don't support any OS X older than 10.5 (example: Safari and iTunes).

    It is simply part of Apple culture not to supply software to older OSes. It forces the user to upgrade (i.e. spend money), and I'm not surprised Apple applies the same tactic to PCs that has worked so well for Macs.

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    1. Re:No surprise - it's Apple's modus operandi by dbrueck · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, it doesn't force anybody to do anything. It's actually more of an exchange - *if* you want latest features (and, granted, bug fixes and the like), *then* you have to be willing to move forward.

      I'm surprised more software developers aren't chiming in here because it is really, really hard to support older and older versions of stuff /and/ still try to keep adding new features. You can end up spending very large percentages of your time not really innovating at all, just trying to work around old bugs that have long since been fixed, or in aging hardware that just really isn't up to snuff anymore. That stuff kills innovation - from a developer's perspective, it's just not fun. It sucks your creativity.

      People want to have their cake and eat it too, but really there's a tradeoff - if you want a device and a feature set then buy it and stick with it. If you want to be always up to date, latest fixes and latest features, then be prepared for some instability and also for change. If you want to ride the wave of innovation and always get all the latest bells and whistles, then you have to keep buying the latest and greatest hardware because the hardware and the software are interconnected - newer hardware enables more bells and whistles in the software.

      The fact that there are *any* upgrades at all by any device vendor is remarkable to me. I think we're actually pretty spoiled. Back in the olden days you'd buy an appliance or a device and that was it - it never changed. If it had quirks, that was part of what you got. As newer features came out, they were available only in the newer models of the device or appliance. Nowadays you can buy e.g. a phone or a TV and even after you buy it, the manufacturer can come along and add new value and fix problems. That's incredible! But it's also incredible how much complaining people do when this value adding doesn't happen indefinitely, especially in the realm of computers where the life spans are traditionally very short.

  6. Re:I have Windows 7 by DdJ · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you don't use anything else from Apple, then you wouldn't want to use iCloud. It's a supplement to their other products and services, and doesn't really have any value if you don't otherwise use any of those products or services.

    That help?

    Now, if you use their other products or services... let's say you have an iPhone. If you set up iCloud on your Windows box, the photos you snap on the iPhone will automatically appear in a folder on your computer without an explicit sync step or USB connection, and you can sync the bookmarks in Safari on the iPhone to IE on the Windows machine. Similarly, there are benefits for iPad users, iTunes users, people who switch between Windows and MacOS sometimes...

    Heck, there are even benefits for people who want to use an iPhone but don't want to load iTunes or any other Apple software on their PC. You can set up the iPhone so that iCloud is the thing it backs up to and syncs with, instead of any PC. So you'd be able to use an iPhone without buying into iTunes or QuickTime and without installing anything on your PC at all. (This is true even if you're an XP user. Or a Linux user, for that matter.)

    But the service has no value on its own in isolation. If you don't touch anything else in the Apple ecosystem, best just ignore it completely.

  7. Re:I have Windows 7 by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    http://www.apple.com/apple-events/wwdc-2011/

    It's not "cloud computing", it's automatic online synching done right. It's called iCloud simply because "cloud" is today's buzzword.

  8. There is nothing wrong with running XP now by axl917 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're still on Windows XP (and you're a home user) than you are an idiot. Update and move on for the love of god. The majority of Windows XP users will be corporate sheep anyway -- and they don't need to be using iTunes/iCloud anyway.

    Times like these I wish I was more active here and had the points to spend to send your post into troll/flamebait oblivion.

    People like you are the embodiment of that "your laptop/phone/tv is already outdated" tv commercial.

    We don't need to ditch perfectly working computers simply to be on the latest-and-greatest side of things. I have XP at home, I play some older games on it, some stuff from Steam, and stream Netflix. It does what I want it to do, and I'm quite certain many others would say the same. Why should people spend money that they don't need to, just to appease some twitchy teenager on the internet who does the "OMG OLD" shtick?

  9. Re:I have Windows 7 by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the demos done on stage, it syncs everything in real time. Photos taken on an iPhone were sent immediately to the iPad and the Mac, documents edited on one device were pushed to the other devices, etc.

    "It just works" comes to mind.

  10. Re:I have Windows 7 by saider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple is a vertically integrated company. Its products work with each other pretty well as long as you follow the Apple way of things. Apple has a vested interest in making sure that has equivalents to compelling new products, like Amazon's music and books service. By controlling it themselves, they can focus on making sure that it works together with other Apple products.

    Compare that with the Microsoft way, where they write a big part of it, but rely on partners to fill in the blanks. You have all these independent companies running around doing their own thing without a cohesive vision of what the whole system should be doing.

    For people who don't want to mess with their computers and music players and websites etc., Mac is a natural choice. Windows offers a fractured broken system, and Linux is great for those who do like to mess with their computers and music players and websites, etc.

    I use all three systems, and the Mac seems to have the fewest problems with Mac stuff working together, as long as you are adhering to the "Mac Way of Doing Things".

    Easy to use, consumer stuff - Mac
    Can do what you want - Linux
    Corporate or Engineering software - Windows

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