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Australian-Built Hoverbike Prepares For Takeoff

Zothecula writes "Adventurous motorcyclists might be familiar with the thrill of getting airborne at the top of a rise, but the Hoverbike is set to take catching some air to a whole new level. With a 1170 cc 4-stroke engine delivering 80 kW driving two ducted propellers, the inventor of the Hoverbike, Chris Malloy, says with its high thrust to weight ratio, the Hoverbike should be able to reach an estimated height of more than 10,000 feet and reach an indicated airspeed of 150 knots (278 km/h or 173 mph). At the moment these are only theoretical figures as the Hoverbike hasn't been put through its paces yet, but Malloy has constructed a prototype Hoverbike and plans to conduct real world flight tests in a couple of months."

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  1. This would be by adeft · · Score: 2

    The most epic race series. Get this thing running and get it running NOW!

  2. NUMBER 1 APPLICATION!? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    Hoverbike Applications:

            Aerial Cattle mustering
            Search and Rescue...

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    1. Re:NUMBER 1 APPLICATION!? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2

      S&R is possible, but flight time on that thing will be extremely limited. if it gets a full hour of flight time I would be impressed.

      What do you do if you are at 10,000 feet, and run out of gas?

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    2. Re:NUMBER 1 APPLICATION!? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2

      Galactica 1980 re-enactments.

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  3. why? by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    more like "useless, but cool "
    I hope somebody with money to burn backs these guys to get it to actually work.

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  4. Re:Breaking by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 2

    Why are you flying so low you can hit a kid anyway?

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  5. Re:Breaking by xMrFishx · · Score: 2

    Just rev up and give him a hair cut on the way over.

  6. to clarify by nimbius · · Score: 2, Insightful


    # Airspeed Vne - 150 KIAS (untested)
    # Hover (out of ground effect) - >10,000ft (estimated)

    seriously slashdot, theres a difference between actual news and pure backyard bullshit.
    anyone with even the most remote fucking grasp of physics and flight
    should be comfortable debunking his claims as a complete lie.
    most commercial helicopters stall out at anything greater than 8000ft; most of the ones flying around my city stick to around 600-800 ft ceilings..
    The CH-47 Chinook twin rotor helicopter is used by the USAF to rescue climbers
    on Mount Denali (McKinley) in AK. It can reach an altitude in excess of 19000 to land at an elevation of around 18000.
    The biggest problem at that point is restarting the engines,
    so a special storage device directs pure oxygen into the engine inlet to restart.

    the highest altitude helicopter currently in existence is the AS350. A pilot named Didier Delsalle of France landed it on the summit of Mount
    Everest (8,850 meters) in 2005...and the record is entirely speculative/disputed.

    finally, A blackhawk military helicopter with a 1700 horsepower engine still only goes ~190 kias.

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    1. Re:to clarify by blair1q · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is your average helicopter ducted? No? Then its aerodynamics are not the aerodynamic comparison you're looking for.

      This thing is a lot lighter than your average helo, and the ducting makes it more efficient in generating downforce.

      Which isn't to say its claim of 10 Kft isn't an unsupportable guess. Just that your arguments are not sufficient to refute it.

    2. Re:to clarify by modecx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because a UH-60 with a max takeoff weight of over 20,000lbs, and a sectional area of a school bus is at all comparable to a single-seater with a max takeoff weight of 600lbs.

      In other news, scientists say a 600cc sportbike is faster than an unladen Freightliner tractor powered by a 600 horse Detroit Diesel. Who could have guessed.

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    3. Re:to clarify by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 3


      anyone with even the most remote fucking grasp of physics

      You used 0 physics to rebuke his claim. You only supported your argument with non-analogous airframes.

      I don't know if getting to 10K feet is possible with this thing, and I suspect it isn't--it wouldn't be matter of just air density, but also the rider would need protection, like air and temperature controls. Also the horizontal wind speeds would be a whole different factor, and it's not clear that he's taken those into account.

      But shit, if it can fly stably at 30 feet at 50 mph that would be good enough for me. I could get off the roads, and therefore avoid traffic and use line of sight to travel.

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    4. Re:to clarify by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Informative

      anyone with even the most remote fucking grasp of physics and flight should be comfortable debunking his claims as a complete lie.

      From your comments below, I take it you aren't one of those people. Here goes:

      most commercial helicopters stall out at anything greater than 8000ft; most of the ones flying around my city stick to around 600-800 ft ceilings..

      Those two statements have little, if anything, to do with each other. Helicopters generally stick to low (sub 1,000 ft) altitudes for a couple of reasons -- namely, there's usually little reason to fly higher since it takes more fuel to climb and the jobs for which they are often used tend to require low altitude flight -- not because they are incapable of flying higher. Also, the ceiling for a helicopter is dependent upon its forward velocity through the air. The faster the helicopter flies -- to a point -- the more lift the rotor blades create, and therefore, the higher it can fly, so be careful not to confuse the hovering ceiling with the service ceiling in cruise flight. They are not the same thing.

      The CH-47 Chinook twin rotor helicopter is used by the USAF to rescue climbers on Mount Denali (McKinley) in AK.

      Uhhh...no, it's not. The Air National Guard based at Kulis in Anchorage flies Sikorsky Pavehawks (militarized S-70s) and the Army at Ft. Rich flies the Blackhawk -- basically the same airframe as the Pavehawk, but outfitted differently. In Talkeetna, AK (where most climbers fly out of to reach Denali), there is a highly modified helicopter nicknamed the "Denali Lama". IIRC, it's an Aerospatiale -- but it's definitely NOT a CH-47. In fact, I'm not aware of anyone regularly flying a CH-47 in Alaska; at least I don't see them in Anchorage very often.

      the highest altitude helicopter currently in existence is the AS350. A pilot named Didier Delsalle of France landed it on the summit of Mount Everest (8,850 meters) in 2005...and the record is entirely speculative/disputed.

      ...which is 29,035 feet -- three times the altitude this guy claims for his hover bike. While it may be a disputed record, there are plenty of verified accounts of helicopters landing and taking off well above 10,000 feet in mountain rescues (including Air Force Rescue 470, in which my brother-in-law was the PIC and for which, he won the MacKay Trophy).

      finally, A blackhawk military helicopter with a 1700 horsepower engine still only goes ~190 kias.

      And your point is? A Cessna 206 does 140 knots (the article doesn't say on what engine, but 206s typically have either a Continental O-470 at ~235 h.p. or a Lycoming O-520 at ~300 h.p.), but the amateur-built AR-5 will do 180 kts on 65 h.p. Let's see...the AR-5 has 1/5 the power and roughly 1.5 times the speed. Clearly you can't correlate h.p. to max speed on different airframes. In fact, there's a lot that determines how fast a given amount of power will propel an aircraft, for example, the drag from the rotor disk and how much of that engine power goes into lifting the aircraft. Your 1700 h.p. Blackhawk has a max take-off weight of 23,500 pounds, giving a power to weight ratio of 0.07 hp/pound. Since the designer of the hover bike is shooting to classify this aircraft as an ultralight in the U.S., that means he's limited to an empty weight of 254 pounds.

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    5. Re:to clarify by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      You used 0 physics to rebuke his claim.

      Careful! Maybe he's got a concealed carry permit and one physic in a shoulder holster and another strapped to his leg. The leg one is for close quarters rebutting/rebuking or for after the one in the shoulder holster has been handed over.

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  7. Re:PLEASE KEEP ME STABLE AND HORIZONTAL! by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 2

    And rotational inertia.

  8. Re:Breaking by mandark1967 · · Score: 3, Funny

    How exactly to they expect this thing to stop?

    I see this scenario playing out:

    1. Guy goes too fast on hoverbike
    2. Kid runs after ball, runs in front of bike, then realizes the guy is riding at least 50 ft above him, then he gets his ball
    3. Bike makes no attempts to stop since it is far above the boy on the street
    4. Bike passes kid harmlessly remaining upright and under control
    5. Kid looks at oncoming car in horror
    6. Mel Gibson runs over kid and yells, "You Abo scum will not grow up to sleep with me wife!

    FIFY

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  9. Aaah.... by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So there's my flying car. About damned time.

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  10. Lack of backup by bragr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Airplanes have to ability to glide to an extent, helicopters can auto-rotate. I seriously doubt that the rotors on this are big enough to auto-rotate, or that the designer made the calculations necessarily in order to design something that can auto-rotate.

    You could use a parachute but parachutes take time to deploy and slow your decent so while effective at higher altitudes, at lower altitudes, like say the altitude at which you would be herding cattle, an engine failure would leave you heading towards the ground without enough time to deploy the chute.

    I'd fly this is there were 2 engines such that one engine could power both fans, and 1 engine had enough power to at least hover and make a safe decent. Even then, I'd still probably bring a parachute.

  11. - Very safe. The hoverbike was designed with safety as the over-riding factor in all design. If you have ever flown and pre-flight checked a helicopter you will appreciate the simplicity of this design. With so many parts on a helicopter - and a large number of single parts that could alone cause catastrophic disaster if they should fail - it is just a matter of time. The hoverbike has as many components as possible with triple redundancy which requires at least 2 other components to fail before you might have a serious airborne failure. This combined with a massive reduction in total parts (compared to a helicopter) and the hoverbike becomes safer and cheaper.

    - Parachutes. With the hoverbike you have the choice to wear an emergency parachute and have two explosive parachutes attached to the airframe, with a helicopter you have no such choice. The hoverbike in it's current configuration cannot autorotate (with adjustable pitch propellers it can) but this should not be viewed as a discredit to the design. Engine failure in a helicopter or plane by no means assures you that you will survive a autorotation or glide, as air crash statistics show. The option of removing yourself from the vehicle and descending via parachute to the ground may well save your life

    - The propeller blades will have on the next revision (and certainly the final product sold) a fine mesh over the entire ducting, which will stop any wandering hands or large debri from entering the duct.

    WAH! TRIPLE REDUNDANCY WITH FEWER PARTS! ZOMG!

    THE OPTION OF REMOVING YOURSELF FROM THE VEHICLE!

    I want the optional GIANT GYROSCOPE HELMET!

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  12. Re:PLEASE KEEP ME STABLE AND HORIZONTAL! by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation_(helicopter)

    "Cannot autorotate" is a polite way of saying this thing falls like a rock.

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  13. Re:PLEASE KEEP ME STABLE AND HORIZONTAL! by Score+Whore · · Score: 2

    No that means that when the engine stops you plummet like a stone to earth. Unlike most helicopters which if they are unpowered and falling, the propellers will spin and provide some possibility of you not dying when you hit the ground. From wikipedia:

    In helicopters and autogyros, autorotation refers to generation of lift by the main rotor when it is not being driven by an engine. Should an engine fail, a helicopter may be able to use autorotation lift to slow its descent and land in a controlled manner.

  14. Re:Breaking by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why are you flying so low you can hit a kid anyway?

    The kid is playing hover ball with his jet pack you insensitive clod.

  15. Re:PLEASE KEEP ME STABLE AND HORIZONTAL! by boristdog · · Score: 2

    Yep. Some pilots are so good they say "Watch this" when you're a mile from the landing zone and they shut off their engines.

    Then they gently pilot the craft to the landing while everyone else inside pisses themselves.
    Been there, done that.

  16. Re:There might be regulatory issues in the U.S. by Nadaka · · Score: 2

    I am pretty sure its stall speed is going to be 0 laterally, and that is less than 28mph, so he may still qualify. Unless of course that stall speed accounts for vertical motion, in which case his is going to be approximately terminal velocity.

  17. *yawn* by Lazy+Jones · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'd rather take this one, because it isn't vaporware...

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  18. Re:Blade depth is rubbish? by Gubbe · · Score: 2

    For hover applications where the air doesn't need to be moved fast, maximum rotor diameter is always the best, because it lets you move the blades relatively slowly, avoiding parasitic drag (air friction) while still moving a lot of air. That's why helicopters have such big rotors. With this hoverbike, practical matters dictate that the prop diameter is very limited, meaning that in order to move enough air, you need to spin the blades really fast. In order to not waste all energy on air friction, the blades need to be very slim and low-drag.
    Think of the wings of a jumbo-jet. At low speeds for landing, slats and flaps are extended to make a big curved wing. It creates more lift, but it's inefficient. It wastes much more of the kinetic and potential energy of the plane, slowing it down. At cruise speeds the slats and flaps are retracted, making the wing very streamlined and giving it maximum efficiency.
    Finally, there's the pitch or steepness of the propeller. The propeller has the lowest drag when cutting the air at zero angle. Of course at that point it doesn't generate any lift either, so the efficiency sucks. When the angle is increased, the prop starts pushing air and creating an equivalent induced drag. The propeller is still almost parallel to the air, so the parasitic drag remains small. Since most of the drag is induced drag at that point, the efficiency is high. If the pitch is increased further, the propeller cross-section against the air increases and parasitic drag goes higher. Sure, it pushes air faster when spinning at the same speed, but since the parasitic drag is high, it can't be spun as fast anymore. High-pitch propellers are used in fast planes, because when the planes move quickly through stationary air, the effective angle of attack of the propeller (the angle at which the forward-moving prop meets the non-moving air) decreases, making it efficient again! In hover applications the prop doesn't move forward through the air at anywhere near those speeds so it's most efficient to use a low angle that provides the optimum lift and minimum drag.

  19. Re:PLEASE KEEP ME STABLE AND HORIZONTAL! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    "This one goes like a bitch, carving up the road like a frenzied lesbian with a meathook"
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