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Mozilla Ships Firefox 5, Meets Rapid-Release Plan

CWmike writes "Mozilla delivered on Tuesday the final version of Firefox 5, the first edition under the new faster-release regime it kicked off earlier this year. The company also patched 10 bugs in Firefox 5, including one in the browser's handling of the WebGL 3-D rendering standard that rival Microsoft has called unsafe. Firefox 5 looks identical to its predecessor, Firefox 4, but Mozilla's made changes under the hood. Mozilla has denied copying Google Chrome's upbeat schedule but analysts have noted the similarities and pointed out the need of all browser makers to step up the pace. Because of the shorter development cycle, Mozilla called out relatively few new features in Firefox 5."

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  1. More work for plugin developers by tom17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems this new schedule will create more work for plugin developers. My FF upgraded itself today to FF5 and I have plugins that don't work. FireGestures and VMware are two to start with.

    Will this now happen every few months?

    1. Re:More work for plugin developers by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 4, Informative

      +1. I didn't even notice I had been upgraded to FF5 until I found a plugin that wouldn't install. Back in the day, a major version number increase would have come with a couple noticeable new features, but all we get here is a speed increase and a DNT checkbox.

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    2. Re:More work for plugin developers by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 2

      This is singularly unhelpful advice because it misses the point. The point is not that it FORCES you to upgrade or that you CAN'T turn off the notices, it's that their philosophy fundamentally conflicts with what browsers are used for.

      Web developers can't and won't use new features in browsers released every 2-3 months. And without the devs, all it is, is a broken marketing philosophy dictating product development.

      Bullshit. As a web developer, you already know that we do all our coding for the lowest common denominator, which is currently IE 8 for most devs. Firefox can implement all the fancy features it wants, and neither of us can really use it. So your point is moot.

      Web browsers are normally used for browsing the web. What you use it for is Firebug. You're making up arguments for the sake of arguing. The normal user isn't going to care, and you shouldn't care because you can just not update and keep using it as you want.

    3. Re:More work for plugin developers by Pretzalzz · · Score: 2

      There is a configuration option to disable version checking for add-ons. Set extensions.checkCompatibility.<version> to false in about:config. The add-ons generally work. It might also work as just extensions.checkCompatibility set to false for all versions, but I'm not sure.

    4. Re:More work for plugin developers by Sinthet · · Score: 2

      Updates rarely truly break plugins at all. The major hindrance is the version checking Firefox does before allowing plugins to run. There's a way to disable it, but I've forgotten it.

    5. Re:More work for plugin developers by Lennie · · Score: 2

      Actually, newer plugins should be based on Jetpack, which uses a newer API of Firefox which will stay stable and thus the addon developers don't need to worry/test/set the version-check anymore or atleast a lot less. It should be handled automatically.

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  2. Do fewer things and do them better? by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's an admirable and sensible approach. What would be nice, too, is not to ship a product with all the new stuff defaulted to Enabled, a fault I continue to find with Microsoft and Google - "Hey, we like this new hack, let's foist it on our unsuspecting users and turn a deaf ear to them when they howl."

    hey, that's dangerous talk there! We need thousands of new features, right now, and damn the bugs!

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    1. Re:Do fewer things and do them better? by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the other hand, this release includes essentially zero new features. Calling it a major release and incrementing the primary version number for what is essentially a security update is confusing to the point of making version numbers useless. This release doesn't even deserve a 4.1 IMO.

    2. Re:Do fewer things and do them better? by ShakaUVM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>Calling it a major release and incrementing the primary version number for what is essentially a security update is confusing to the point of making version numbers useless. This release doesn't even deserve a 4.1 IMO

      Agreed.

      I think the FF devs are just trying to be like Google, and use major version numbers for every minor update they conduct. Terrible, terrible.

    3. Re:Do fewer things and do them better? by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      Because from a user perspective nothing had changed. A new version number is a new product, calling a minor update a new product is confusing and fragments the user base, and 10 security bug fixes is an important, but functionally minor update. If nothing else, imagine a year or two from now and Firefox is ready to put out a new release that actually is something new and exciting and they're stuck assigning it the same importance that the assigned to this security patch, because they already assigned the highest importance possible to this update.

    4. Re:Do fewer things and do them better? by ShakaUVM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>There is such a thing as modifying the product in ways which improve efficient user interaction and use of system resources. Why shouldn't such an approach be considered a valid Full Release, rather than cramming in more "New" and unwanted/unnecessary "features"?

      It's the difference between how Google has been versioning Chrome, and, well, how everyone else does it. Remember how excited people were for Firefox 4? Nationwide rollout? Interactive map showing you where all the downloads were coming from? Now try to imagine this excitement over a product whose changelog is: "We sped up javascript and 3D stuff 10% and broke some of your addons."

  3. This is getting silly by Rising+Ape · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We're at Firefox 5 already? Doesn't seem like five minutes since Firefox 4. Used to be that an entirely new version number meant it was definitely worth taking the time to upgrade, but at this frequency how do we know which are the important ones?

    1. Re:This is getting silly by cortana · · Score: 2

      They are all important, because they all fix critical security vulnerabilities.

  4. Why not 4.1? by Retron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, a few tweaks but it looks largely the same. Beats me why they didn't just call it 4.1!

    1. Re:Why not 4.1? by Teun · · Score: 3, Interesting
      1. When you buy a new computer Windows is on most pre-installed.
      2. When a European, there are some 500 million, starts up a new Windows computer he needs to select a browser from a list.
      3. The ~90% of Europeans that don't understand computers will like to get the best and select the browser with the highest number.

      4. Conclusion, Mozilla needs to get to a higher release version.

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  5. 5 FINAL??? by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Damnit, we need to get rid of this "rapid release" BS.

    I've finally gotten 4 configured the way I like; and prior to that, I completely skipped over v3.

    People don't want cutting edge web browsers. They want them to work, and they want them to look and feel the same for years at a time. Add support for new media types, tweak the rendering engine, but leave everything else alone!.

    And that doesn't even consider how this crap breaks plugins... Literally half the plugins I currently run, I had to edit the install.rdf just to get around the damned version check (after which, they all work just fine of course).

    1. Re:5 FINAL??? by Skuto · · Score: 2

      Did you actually try FF5?

      Most of the changes are under the hood. GUI looks almost identical. I'd say it fits what you're asking for almost perfectly.

    2. Re:5 FINAL??? by thermal_7 · · Score: 2

      If you use the compatibility reporter plugin they will all run regardless of the version of Firefox. Then you can flag them as compatible or incompatible which notifys the author and prompts them to either make them compatible or flag them as compatible with the new version.

      https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter

  6. How about a version 4 that people like? by Kjella · · Score: 5, Informative

    Preliminary for june 2010-2011 here. Changes from May:

    Chrome: +1.08%
    IE: -0.25%
    Firefox: -0.79%

    After six months in the lead in Europe, Firefox is now again behind IE. They're backing on every continent except Africa (+0.2%). I don't think rapid-fire will work any better if you don't have the bullets.

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  7. Seriously, a computerworld link? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Insightful

    WTF slashdot? We get a link to a computerworld writeup about the new release, instead of the release notes and download link?

  8. Re:Which dumbass analysts are these? by iteyoidar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because we need more UI changes for the sake of UI changes. In Firefox 6/Chrome 14 tabs on the side will be the new "thing". Firefox 7 will move the URL window onto the scroll bar to gain another 12 pixels of vertical space, since nobody actually uses the URL bar. By January 2012 Firefox 14 will have moved the Firefox button on top of the minimize/maximize/close buttons since Steve Jobs says nobody runs programs in windows anyway. By March 2014, we will have come in a full circle and both Firefox 65536 and Chrome infinity will both have tabs back below the address bar and old school square IE6 navigation buttons.

  9. Why didn't they just call it Firefox 14? by Tridus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since the version numbering scheme is total nonsense anyway (this is hardly a major change over 4, it's more like 4.1) why not just leapfrog over everyone and call it Firefox 14? Then Chrome will have to play catchup!

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  10. Re:Benchmarks.... by f8l_0e · · Score: 2

    Parent post is a goatsex picture. Do not follow. slashgnome, you're an asshole of the proportions in that picture.

  11. Re:Are they replacing "dot" releases with full one by Bloodwine77 · · Score: 2

    They changed their numbering scheme.

    Firefox 5 is basically just Firefox 4.1

    I believe they plan to have Firefox 6 out by the end of the year as well. Three "major" versions per year.

  12. Re:Translation of meaning: by after.fallout.34t98e · · Score: 2

    I'm sorry, but the rapid release cycle does make a lot of sense. Firefox as a whole is relatively speaking not very buggy. It certainly is less so than IE or Safari (at least I don't hit any noticeable Firefox bugs on a daily basis but Safari regularly crashes [windows] and IE dev tools have so many problems that they are nearly impossible to use).

    New features/enhancements/fixes used to be implemented on trunk, with a "bake" time needed to make sure that they didn't degrade the product. Now they are done in their own branches and tested in isolation from each other then merged into trunk (now called mozilla-central) when it is felt that they are ready. This lets the end user (you) get to see new features faster than you would have before, without worrying about bugs from other things which needed to be included before, but had nothing to do with the feature which is finished.

    I think the good points of this new development schedule outweigh the bad, and the bad points that have been discovered so far can all be minimized with a bit of effort. Good:
    1. Faster features to end users.
    2. Less bugs introduced due to being able to decide not to include features right up until the moment something is actually released.
    Indifferent:
    1. Firefox is just as difficult to manage for a domain's worth of users as it was before this change; the only difference is that it is likely to be major version number increases instead of minor version number increases whenever a new release comes out. However as you pointed out, nobody cares what the difference is.
    Bad:
    1. Addons need to be managed more by their respective authors to keep them up to date with the latest version of firefox. Last time I checked AMO didn't accept setting the maxver property to a version greater than the current major release. Something might need to be changed here.

  13. FF5 release notes by Nerzhul · · Score: 5, Informative

    In case you're wondering what's actually new:

    - Added support for CSS animations
    - The Do-Not-Track header preference has been moved to increase discoverability
    - Tuned HTTP idle connection logic for increased performance
    - Improved canvas, JavaScript, memory, and networking performance
    - Improved standards support for HTML5, XHR, MathML, SMIL, and canvas
    - Improved spell checking for some locales
    - Improved desktop environment integration for Linux users
    - WebGL content can no longer load cross-domain textures
    - Background tabs have setTimeout and setInterval clamped to 1000ms to improve performance
    - Fixed several stability issues
    - Fixed several security issues

  14. Re:Tabs on top still broken by Tarmas · · Score: 2

    The only things that belong in the title bar are the close button, the dock button, and the zoom to max content size button on the left, the window title in the middle, and the toolbar button on the right.

    Are you some kind of an Apple HIG fanboy? Is this a sub-cult of the Apple cult of some sort? The way Chrome does tabs halfway in the title bar makes perfect sense. This approach leaves more screen real estate for the content, while retaining the ability to grab the top of the window to move it around. Besides, Apple breaks it's own HIG quite often. iTunes, Mac App Store - those are the main culprits in the current version of OS X. And God forbid you from using the Address Book in Lion.

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  15. Re:WebGL getting worse not better :( by kbrosnan · · Score: 2

    Microsoft was throwing stones in a glass house. Their Siliverlight implementation has the same problem http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/676134/dos-vulnerability-in-silverlight-5s-3d-similar-to-webgl-dos-vulnerability

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