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How the Web's Relationship With Anonymity Has Changed

A story at the NY Times explores how the internet's involvement with anonymity has evolved over the past two decades. Quoting: "Not too long ago, theorists fretted that the Internet was a place where anonymity thrived. Now, it seems, it is the place where anonymity dies. ... The collective intelligence of the Internet’s two billion users, and the digital fingerprints that so many users leave on Web sites, combine to make it more and more likely that every embarrassing video, every intimate photo, and every indelicate e-mail is attributed to its source, whether that source wants it to be or not. This intelligence makes the public sphere more public than ever before and sometimes forces personal lives into public view. ... This erosion of anonymity is a product of pervasive social media services, cheap cellphone cameras, free photo and video Web hosts, and perhaps most important of all, a change in people’s views about what ought to be public and what ought to be private."

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  1. A challenge by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would challenge people to find out where I live or work. I think anonymity is still alive for those who care.

    1. Re:A challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Australia ;)

    2. Re:A challenge by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      I would challenge people to find out where I live or work. I think anonymity is still alive for those who care.

      I doubt I could identify you, but I am sure that many Governments have the capability to get the IP address you posted from and map that to a name.

    3. Re:A challenge by alci63 · · Score: 2

      First elements : you live in Australia and work in IT. You have done a lot of web development. I'll come back later with more...

    4. Re:A challenge by ciderbrew · · Score: 3

      Bruce, is that you?

    5. Re:A challenge by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      You don't really know what you're talking about, do you?

      aussie_a's IP address is easy to get if a government has the ability to spy on internet infrastructure in the country where slashdot is hosted. The IP address gives you his ISP. The IP and the time of the post give you his account details.

      Seems simple to me.

    6. Re:A challenge by biodata · · Score: 2

      >The IP and the time of the post give you his account details. Slight correction - they give you SOMEONE's account details.

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    7. Re:A challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      FULLNAME: MichaelRohanSmith
      MARITALSTATUS: Married
      DATEOFBIRTH: 8thofOctober,1965
      PLACEOFBIRTH: Kew,Victoria,Australia
      ADDRESS: 19ClarenceSt,EastBrunswick,Victoria3057
      TELEPHONE: 0393834540(home)
      MOBILE: 0416062898
      EMAIL: resume@netapps.com.au

    8. Re:A challenge by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      Mod parent up. That should be labelled "Fixed That For You".

      Let's be clear: my wifi router is open, and has one of the strongest signals in the neighborhood, which includes an apartment complex. So perhaps 20 households, not just people, have access to my internet, and I don't really care much whether that might piss off my ISP.

      ANYBODY in the neighborhood can get on their computer, set their browser to "anonymous" mode (so that no records are kept), and access whatever. The IP address and ISP account don't mean squat.

    9. Re:A challenge by PartyBoy!911 · · Score: 2

      Are you possibly Louis Aldum from around Perth?

    10. Re:A challenge by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      No, it means you'll be responsible for everything your neighbors do. It's not right, it's not fair, but when shit goes down, it'll be your name on the IP address, and that'll be all the cops care about.

    11. Re:A challenge by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would challenge people to find out where I live or work. I think anonymity is still alive for those who care.

      This. Anonymity is dying because corporations want it to die, and slowly but surely they are getting their way. Anonymity isn't good for the bottom line, and we are being teased and enticed and in some cases (facebook) dragged kicking and screaming out of anonymity. For those that still want to use the Internet anonymously, there aren't too many hurdles to doing so. *IF* you care. Anonymity just isn't the default any more (so few people choose it), but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

    12. Re:A challenge by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      Enjoy your new easy-open (kicked in) door and your oh so comfortable (face smashed into it) flooring in your cozy apartment! It sounds nice! http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/25/1415259/Bizarre-Porn-Raid-Underscores-Wi-Fi-Privacy-Risks

    13. Re:A challenge by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anonymity is alive in certain scenarios. I hope you realize the internet is not designed for anonymity and basically not part of that, right?

      It's designed for public sharing. You can secure things, but to think anything is anonymous online is just sheer idiocy. Whether someone cares to look at your stuff, depends on a: if you want them to and b: if it's interesting.

    14. Re:A challenge by gknoy · · Score: 2

      It's a trap! It's probably full of Bitcoins ...

  2. It's not the internet by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's society. Banks stopped accepting money unless they can trace where it comes from. Even shops want to follow you around. Surveillance cameras pop up in societies that never knew them. Your ISP has to spy on you as well. Governments pass laws to make companies spy on people if those companies do not do so voluntarily.

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    1. Re:It's not the internet by delinear · · Score: 2

      Or patched dial up. Or assuming you haven't faked the details you used to get the credit card to pay for a broadband connection. We keep seeing these articles that say "all privacy is gone" but the truth is the privacy was never there. Anonymity isn't something everyone is busy nurturing because for most people it's not something they see a value in (it's only when your identity is "stolen" or you get stalked or whatever that this suddenly becomes valuable). The truth is people could trivially maintain their anonymity online if they cared enough to do so. We're not yet at the point where you can't buy food unless you're plugged into the web - aside from banking (and then it's only an issue if you're in a small town with no local banks and no transport) there are no essential services you need to give your real details to online.

    2. Re:It's not the internet by anyGould · · Score: 2

      We keep seeing these articles that say "all privacy is gone" but the truth is the privacy was never there.

      More properly, all the pieces were always there, but it was too expensive and time-consuming to connect them all. (Heck, what do you think police and private investigators do?). Computers have made it cost-effective to track everything about everyone (even if you don't really care about it), because some day you might need to know how many people with 5s in their telephone number also eat sushi take-out on Wednesdays.

  3. Not just online. by ron_ivi · · Score: 2

    Wonder what would happen if one published an anonymous pamphlet like they used to do in the past ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Sense_(pamphlet) ).

  4. Re:that's one reason I post here as AC by ciderbrew · · Score: 2

    slashdot / gmail / bbc / youporn (and the rest) / amazon. My internet history is sad sad sad.

  5. Nobody cared about hiding before now by shadowrat · · Score: 2

    20 years ago, people happily published their names, addresses and phone numbers in public directories. In those days, anyone could be found by anyone. You'd only need to visit about 2 Sarah Connors before you found the one you wanted.

  6. Re:that's one reason I post here as AC by Shikaku · · Score: 2

    http://mailinator.com/

    You're welcome.

  7. anonymity only dies if you're careless by WegianWarrior · · Score: 2

    Whatever you post online has to be assumed to be there forever. If you at some point posts embarrassing photos with one account, at another time posts something linking that account to another account, then somewhere online posts something linking the second account to your real identity... guess what? Your real identity is now easily linked to those pictures you posted while drunk all those years ago. It's not going to look good on your resume, is it?

    It don't even have to be yourself posting something you want to keep hidden... most of us have thoughtless "friends" who uploads stuff that can be linked to you. A former coworker got into lots of trouble because another coworker brought a camera to an office party - stuff that you find funny after ten beers is a lot less funny when you sober up and realize that your boss have found the pictures while browsing Facebook.

    The only way to keep your anonymity is to be careful and aware of what you do online at all time, and be paranoid to boot. Or possible be so uninteresting that no one will bother to dig too much to get your information.

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  8. That's not anonymous, this is by Joe+U · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Except (for now) with open wifi.

    Unless you bought your laptop from a major vendor and the WiFi operator gets your MAC address.

    You want to be completely anonymous? Get an old laptop, a live DVD and an old WiFi card, pay cash. Remove the HDD, throw it out. Use the live DVD for your OS. Never connect to the Internet anywhere unless you are on a random open WiFi connection that isn't near a camera, a hiking trail might be a good place. Use anonymous proxies through that connection for all your Internet access.

    Then do whatever it is you really need to be anonymous for, throw the WiFi card into a river and shred the DVD.

    If you need to repeat, burn a new DVD and buy another WiFi card.

    That's as close as you can get to being completely anonymous on the Internet.

    1. Re:That's not anonymous, this is by Joe+U · · Score: 2

      Also, you might want to contact your NSA handler and properly adjust your tin foil hat before doing this.

    2. Re:That's not anonymous, this is by yahwotqa · · Score: 2

      That also means rivers polluted with cheap plastic and metal trash. Please don't do this.

  9. Internet was always anonymous. by biodata · · Score: 2

    I'd argue the opposite. Internet use is always inherently anonymous. Yes anyone can trace your IP to a physical location if they are persistent enough, but nothing on the internet ever really proves who was using the computer or internet connection at any given time. Maybe webcams go some of the way to providing proof, but of course video can be faked. You need independent evidence not related to the internet to remove anonymity.

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  10. Depends on what you're doing by Joe+U · · Score: 2

    ANYBODY in the neighborhood can get on their computer, set their browser to "anonymous" mode (so that no records are kept), and access whatever. The IP address and ISP account don't mean squat.

    Until the people with guns show up, lock you up and start scanning MAC addresses, traffic and signal strength. Then they find the computer, lock the other person up and retrieve the data from "anonymous mode" in about 20 minutes.

    This of course depends on what they're doing. Transferring music and movies, not going to happen. Trying to do something more serious, is going to happen.

  11. Re:Anonymity is in the long run an illusion by nikunj · · Score: 2

    You do mean 'tor' and are not referring to _the_ god-access heavenly network right :-)

  12. Times change by Comboman · · Score: 2

    20 years ago, people who abused the information in those directories (telemarketers, stalkers, T-100s) where relatively rare. As the abuse increased, so did the desire for anonymity. And even back then, there were some who were willing to pay extra to be "unlisted".

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  13. Re:LinkedIn is a social engineer's wet dream by anyGould · · Score: 2

    Or better yet, train their employees to realize that just because someone knows where you work, doesn't mean they're who they claim to be.

    Hell, what happened to the rule of thumb that you never give this sort of detail to people who call you, only to people you call?