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Expense and Uncertainty Plague 'Fair Use' Defense

Andy Baio of Waxy.org recently organized a chiptune tribute project for Miles Davis' acclaimed Kind of Blue album. What was intended as a creative labor of love turned into a nightmare for Baio when a copyright claim demanded exorbitant sums while glossing over fair use. He writes, "I went out of my way to make sure the entire project was above board, licensing all the cover songs from Miles Davis's publisher and giving the total profits from the Kickstarter fundraiser to the five musicians that participated. But there was one thing I never thought would be an issue: the cover art." Despite strongly believing that his pixelated version of the original cover art fell under fair use, Baio eventually decided his cheapest option was to settle out of court, paying the original photographer $32,500. "Anyone can file a lawsuit and the costs of defending yourself against a claim are high, regardless of how strong your case is. Combined with vague standards, the result is a chilling effect for every independent artist hoping to build upon or reference copyrighted works."

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  1. And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by eldavojohn · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Wikipedia uses a non-pixelated version and accepts donations and distributes them to the people that work on Wikipedia. Why aren't they targeted by Jay Maisel?

    I'm not a fan of chiptunes and I value my music collection in its unadulterated entirety but Mr. Maisel has provided his business mailing address so I believe I will take both my CD liner and vinyl covering and mail them back to Mr. Maisel. I'll probably write something very graphic on the front of them in regards to greed and fornication. I will include a letter explaining how I thought these were derivative works but he clearly owns them and as such I am returning his property.

    How is this any different from what we've already seen:

    On appeal, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals found in favor of the defendant. In reaching its decision, the court utilized the above-mentioned four-factor analysis. First, it found the purpose of creating the thumbnail images as previews to be sufficiently transformative, noting that they were not meant to be viewed at high resolution like the original artwork was. Second, the fact that the photographs had already been published diminished the significance of their nature as creative works. Third, although normally making a "full" replication of a copyrighted work may appear to violate copyright, here it was found to be reasonable and necessary in light of the intended use. Lastly, the court found that the market for the original photographs would not be substantially diminished by the creation of the thumbnails.

    Emphasis mine. Was there some concern about the market for Maisel's original Kind of Blue image being diminished?

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    1. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by esocid · · Score: 1

      I have no idea what sort of justification he made, but the derivative work always generates renewed interest in the original, so Maisel not only received free publicity for an album for which he gets royalties, but also extorted a good chunk of change from Waxy for something that is clearly fair-use. It's a hand-made pixel art version of a photograph. There is no way in hell that a person interested in Kind of Blues would say, "Hey, you know what, I'm going to buy that chiptunes album because the album art is similar."

      Jay Maisel is a hack.

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    2. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by esocid · · Score: 1

      I have no idea what sort of justification he made, but the derivative work always generates renewed interest in the original, so Maisel not only received free publicity for an album for which he gets royalties, but also extorted a good chunk of change from Waxy for something that is clearly fair-use. It's a hand-made pixel art version of a photograph. There is no way in hell that a person interested in Kind of Blues would say, "Hey, you know what, I'm going to buy that chiptunes album because the album art is similar." Jay Maisel is a hack.

      I noticed my point was unclear. I meant, no person would buy Kind of Bloop, instead of Kind of Blues because the cover art is similar.

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    3. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia isn't sued because they'd just stop using the image, and that would cause there to be less overall infringement. The copyright owner of a little used work *wants* their copyright to be violated by someone who puts it on a physical object, so that it would be expensive to recall.

      Any decent copyright/patent/trademark law overhaul should have standards for corroborative works, so that people wishing to buy rights to a work, don't have to contract with every Tom, Dick, and Harry that contributed to a work. (T., D., and H. all deserve a cut, but a fair cut)


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    4. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wikipedia uses a non-pixelated version and accepts donations and distributes them to the people that work on Wikipedia. Why aren't they targeted by Jay Maisel?

      Because predators prey on the weak.

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    5. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Actually, because wikipedia uses an image of the album cover in representation of that album cover the same way Amazon would use it or a music reviewer would use it. They are not using it to represent a separate item that is for sale.

    6. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nature of the use. It's not being used to promote Wikipedia, simply to illustrate it. It's being used in the nature of information about the original work or the work for which it was licensed.

    7. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because part of fair use is that it doesn't damage the value of the original product. Wikipedia using the image does nothing to hurt sales or the original, using the image as part of the branding of your album, even a non-profit, for charity album, is confusing to the consumer and could very conceivably hurt sales of the original (people who know what the cover looks like grabbing the wrong one).

      While I would personally say what he did to the image was transformative, the courts have seen things differently in the past. Anyone remember the Obama Change poster? The transformation in that case was much more dramatic than in this one and they still ended up settling out of court.

    8. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's still infringement, I'm not sure why that wasn't obvious from the start. You can't use an image in this manner any more than you can use the music.

      In this case, I don't see anything about the pixelated version which should qualify it under fair use. It just looks too much like what those old school pixelated photos looked like before computers gained the memory and capacity to store larger images. It's certainly less qualified than that poster made from the AP photo of President Obama that's been all over the place the last few years.

    9. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      There is no way in hell that a person interested in Kind of Blues would say, "Hey, you know what, I'm going to buy that chiptunes album because the album art is similar."

      That'd be enough for trademark, but not copyright. For copyright the main question is whether their creative expression is part of your creative expression, if so your work is derivative. Even if it's a pixel art version of a photograph, it's clearly derivative of the original photograph. That makes it fall under copyright, and you have to look at fair use. Where it falls most flat on its face is its purpose, which is to promote another commercial work. That is pretty much never a fair use, you can talk about Google's thumbnails all day but it doesn't compare at all. That is something designed to lead you to the full image, not to lead you somewhere else. I guess you could argue the law should be less strict but from both the letter of the law and the practice of it, settling seems like a good idea.

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    10. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

      Things with even more obvious similarity are used to promote commercial work all the time, and protected as parody. That "tribute" hasn't received the same solidity of protection is simply a matter of case law being behind the zeitgeist of democratized creation and publishing.

    11. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by lgw · · Score: 2

      The key is: a tribute isn't fair use. It's a normal commercial product. It's not a parody. It's not a critical discussion. It's a product.

      This was understood for all the music, which was properly licensed, but for some reason he didn't think he needed to license the cover artwork. That's just a mistake, not some miscarriage of justice.

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    12. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by lgw · · Score: 2

      The copyright owner of a little used work *wants* their copyright to be violated

      How does that apply to one of the most successful albums in human history?

      Wikipedia isn't sued bacause they are a critical discussion of the product, not a related product.

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    13. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      It's still infringement

      No, it's not. That's why it's called the "fair use exception". The Change posters were settled out of court, as was this case, so we don't know what the court would have said if the case had gone on, however I believe this was a case of fair use (see my other comment).

    14. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Fair use doen't mean "but I really want to". There are exceptions for parody, education, and critical discussion. A tribute album is non of these, and in no way falls under fair use, and there shouldn't be any confusion about that.

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    15. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      Like I said in my other comment, commercial use is NOT the sole determinant of whether a use is fair.

    16. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by mark_elf · · Score: 1

      This is the clarification I was looking for. Maybe he was just wrong. But I wonder if an argument could be made that chiptunes are a indeed a parody. It seems possible, in which case making a parody of the artwork to go along with it might be protected (?).

    17. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by lgw · · Score: 1

      The pixellated artwork did not ridicule the original artwork, so not a parody. You only get cover for the specific thing you parody, you can't use one thing while parodying another (as the Penny Arcade guys discovered a few years back in the Strawberry Shortcake incedent).

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    18. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Right, sure, but again, it wasn't a parody, nor a critical work: it was a normal product. There has never been a "fair use" exception for tribute works.

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    19. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      I believe criticism and parody are only two areas where fair use may apply, and it's really up to the judge to decide in each individual case. For example, Google raised a fair use defense for its Google Books project (and many experts agreed) -- and their use is most certainly commercial and is neither criticism nor parody..

    20. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      You are wrong about the Google Books case, actually. Search engines retaining cached copies of 100% of the content of websites is considered perfectly legitimate fair use. If Google had gone to court, there's a good chance that would have been extended to cached copies of the content of printed books.

      Also, fair use is not simply a defense, it's also an exception to copyright law (see 17 U.S.C. s 107, "the fair use of a copyrighted work...is not an infringement of copyright"). But you are correct, it's not possible to determine what is or isn't fair use until you are in a courtroom, where the burden of proof is with the accused -- which is why I think fair use is a bandaid solution to a very broken and unbalanced permission-based system.

      But I digress.

    21. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      If you're going into a legal battle with 'it seems possible' than you've already lost, you just don't realize it yet.

      If its not clearly fair use, its not fair use. You can tell pretty quickly if its fair use or not, if you have to question it, it probably isn't.

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    22. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Also, fair use is not simply a defense, it's also an exception to copyright law (see 17 U.S.C. s 107, "the fair use of a copyrighted work...is not an infringement of copyright")

      Uhm, of course its not 'simply a defense' because the 'defense' only exists because its not illegal to use certain things in certain ways.

      'fair use defense' should really be called 'application of the law defense', with the exception to that being that it should be called the 'fair use defense' in situations like this one, where it clearly wasn't fair use, but the fair use exception is what they're trying to claim.

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    23. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      The copyright owner of a little used work

      Huh? It's the cover image of a quadruple platinum album. It is quite far from a "little used work".

    24. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      What exactly is "fairt use", last time I read US copyright law the there certainly was no mentioning of it. I only hear this term on /. are you really sure "fair use" is even existing?

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    25. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      "Fairt use" was introduced with the Clean Air Act 1993.

    26. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by Devoidoid · · Score: 1

      The regulations pertaining to fair use are vague. Nothing is ever "clearly" fair use until it is judged to be so after a lawsuit. Until then, it is only not worth suing over. Yet.

    27. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by Devoidoid · · Score: 1

      Title 17 USC Section 107, described here.

    28. Re:And Why Isn't Wikipedia Being Sued? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That seems to be a court decision thing and not a "law" per se, or? No wonder it is hard to find in law.

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  2. Released in 1959? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That photo should flat out be public domain at this time regardless of whether the photographer is a live or dead.

    1. Re:Released in 1959? by dougmc · · Score: 1

      That photo should flat out be public domain at this time regardless of whether the photographer is a live or dead.

      Maybe.

      Personally, I think the guy shouldn't have settled. He should have dared the person to sue him -- yes, it's a risk, but I think things were strongly in his favor, and while yes, it would cost to defend such a suit properly, it would also cost to launch such a suit properly, and so the photographer would probably realize that it wasn't worth the risk.

    2. Re:Released in 1959? by Seumas · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope. Anything created between 1950 and 1963 has a 28 year copyright, which means that copyright on this image would have expired in 1987. However, if you renewed your copyright from between those years in 1976, you're granted another 67 years, which means this image will likely not be in the public domain until 2054.

      Anything after 1978 is copyrighted until 70 years after its creator's death or for 95-120 years for items created for hire or anonymously. For example, if I hired you to take a photo for my record album today, it would be a "fore hire" gig and the item should not reach public domain until 2132.

    3. Re:Released in 1959? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Did you notice the "should" in the parent post?

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    4. Re:Released in 1959? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      I was released before 1959, and I'm not Public Domain (yet).

    5. Re:Released in 1959? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Yes, and clearly it was an inaccurate statement.

      Unless he was offering "should" as an opinion, which is entirely unclear from his or her comment.

    6. Re:Released in 1959? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      No, he was factually correct. Not everything produced before 1960 is in the public domain, but it should be.

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    7. Re:Released in 1959? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Only on Slashdot can "IMHO" be spelled "factually correct".

      Unless you're a sitting Federal judge hearing a case involving copyright limits, your opinion has no bearing whatsoever on factual reality.

      Thanks. Happy to help clarify that.

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    8. Re:Released in 1959? by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Unless he was offering "should" as an opinion, which is entirely unclear from his or her comment.

      There's no other way to interpret his use of 'should'. If he had said it 'IS' out of copyright, he would be factually wrong. He didn't, instead (obviously deliberately) used 'SHOULD', which means that your correction of him is factually wrong.

    9. Re:Released in 1959? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Why should it be? Copyright should cover the commercial lifetime of a product, or some limited time after the death of the contributors. Successful books and (non-pop) music often sell well for many decades after publication, and sometimes take a decade or more to really catch on.

      For example, the copyright protection on Lord of the Rings should have expired, but only because the author's been dead for nearly 40 years. If Tolkien was still alive, it wouldn't be right for someone to publish his books and give him nothing.

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    10. Re:Released in 1959? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Copyright should be long enough to encourage creating works for profit, and no longer. Nobody does anything creative on the chance that it'll be worth money fifty years later; either they do it on the chance that it'll pay off much earlier, or for non-financial reasons, or both. The purpose is not to allow somebody to milk something for all it's worth, but to allow somebody to milk something long enough so that it's worthwhile to create.

      I think the old fourteen-year copyright, renewable once, was pretty good. If you can't make some money in fourteen years, you probably won't make any, and the total twenty-eight was long enough to cover any projected gains to make it all worthwhile.

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    11. Re:Released in 1959? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Federal judges don't decide right and wrong. They decide legal and illegal. If you can't tell the difference, your opinion has no bearing on factual reality.

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    12. Re:Released in 1959? by spectro · · Score: 1

      Copyright should be long enough to encourage creating works for profit, and no longer

      Agreed, the problem is copyright licensing income is one of the main passive income streams enjoyed by rich people including politicians, judges and lawyers. They will always legislate to keep, strengthen or expand their income streams.

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    13. Re:Released in 1959? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Of course I understand the distinction between the "right-wrong" axis and "legal-illegal" axis. I also understand that only the legal-illegal axis functionally matters in this world. I can understand why it might be different in your fantasy world, though.

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    14. Re:Released in 1959? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I disagree.

      The most best thing would have been if the guy did not have made that "mistake".

      As much as we all are sympathetic with him, he was pretty stupid not to realize that the same rules that apply to the music also apply to the cover art.

      And for what reason should the right holder simply give in and not ask for his share? Do you want to claim - in a similar situation - you yourself hat given it away?

      The photographer worked for his photo as any other guy did. Just because it was a few years (or a few decades) ago does not make his work worthless.

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    15. Re:Released in 1959? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I think the old fourteen-year copyright, renewable once, was pretty good. If you can't make some money in fourteen years, you probably won't make any, and the total twenty-eight was long enough to cover any projected gains to make it all worthwhile.

      That only means the multi billion dollar companies can starve you out now even more easy and make even more profit after that 14 years time is over.

      Copyright issues, especially in the USA, is not a problem of "time span" but of moral rights of the authors.

      Work for hire e.g. .... that idea does not really exist in europe. It does not matter if work is for hire or if an artist makes it by himself.

      In other words, if I hire you and pay you, you may contract me certain rights on your work, but in europe you don't lose your "creators rights". So if you write "Lord of the Rings" for me, you retain the right to license a movie ... and I only have the right to the book.

      In other words: for me it is completely logical that a 1910 book which I payed for and you for some strange reason still happen to live right now, gives YOU the right to decide about a movie.

      After all it is YOUR work, and the "public" has no right to interfere with YOUR work. What did the public do to gain the right that an authors work becomes public domain?

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    16. Re:Released in 1959? by dougmc · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure you understand the issue.

      The grandparent post that says the picture should be in the public domain -- buy my main point was that this may or may not be correct. If the picture is from 1959 (published in 1959), the picture would be in the public domain now if the copyright wasn't renewed (and in reality, most aren't.) But we don't know if this copyright was renewed or not -- but the fact that the author claimed to still own copyright on it suggests that it was (or maybe he didn't understand the law?) But we don't know for sure.

      If the picture is in the public domain, then that doesn't make his work worthless -- but it does remove the author's ability to claim copyright on it. You can argue against the public domain if you want, but it IS the law, and works are supposed to eventually go into it, and the laws in place in 1959 would place this work in the public domain now if it was published in 1959 and the copyright was not renewed. (But again, we don't know if this was the case.)

      Here's an even more detailed chart on when things enter the public domain.

      But even assuming that the picture isn't in the public domain, the claim that this use of it was fair use is very strong. It's not the age of the work that would matter, but how it's used. And it doesn't require the agreement of the copyright holder, or any payments to him or anything along those lines.

      Fair use (and public domain) laws are important. They aren't there to "steal" the works from the hard working artists and authors and deny them their due compensation, in spite of what companies like Disney have been telling us.

    17. Re:Released in 1959? by slashqwerty · · Score: 1

      That photo should flat out be public domain at this time regardless of whether the photographer is a live or dead.

      While I agree with the sentiment I can certainly argue otherwise. In 1959 photos were published under the 1909 copyright act. That act granted copyright for 28 years plus another 28 years if renewed. So at the time the photo was created the author could have reasonably expected to have until 2015 to recoup his expenses. He may have priced his portfolio accordingly.

    18. Re:Released in 1959? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You really seem to have a problem with that "should".

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    19. Re:Released in 1959? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That photo should flat out be public domain at this time regardless of whether the photographer is a live or dead.

      Sorry, my mistake, I ment to answer to the quote you made, lol ;D
      I agree with your position.

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    20. Re:Released in 1959? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      I have a problem with asserting any "should" as factually correct. At best, it demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of what "should" really means. At worst, it's intellectually dishonest, cloaking opinions and wishes with the color of unwarranted factual accuracy.

      "Should" is wonderful. "Should" gives us direction and energizes us to make changes for the better. But pretending "should" is some kind of natural law is disingenuous and the worst kind of begging the question.

      That's what I have a problem with.

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  3. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by Seumas · · Score: 2

    I don't see how this solves anything. A big corporation or anyone with a lot of money is in a far better position to take that risk than the average person for whom that would be financially devastating. Especially since so much of an outcome often depends on the quality of counsel you can afford, to begin with.

  4. Doesn't look like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fair use to me. IANAL, but I am an illustrator and have a descent grasp on copyright law. This does not look like faire use, it is derivative, not transformative IMO.

    1. Re:Doesn't look like... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I agree with that, I'd be pretty pissed myself if somebody did that to one of my photos asking permission. Especially since they were taking donations. It just looks way too much like the original and uses way too little creative thought to produce. All the compositional elements of the original are there, albeit in somewhat lower resolution.

      Photography in particular is a sensitive one to do that to, as the only thing which qualifies most photos for copyright protection is the compositional element, or at least that's the case for photos like the original which are more documentary in nature. There are other types which are less bound to just that one element.

    2. Re:Doesn't look like... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      If you are "pissed," you are taking yourself too seriously. Chill out, egoman.

  5. My submission by esocid · · Score: 1

    I've never had a submission used without recognition. http://slashdot.org/submission/1670128/Cant-Afford-Lawyers-Then-It-Isnt-Fair-Use

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    1. Re:My submission by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Hope Soulskill has $32,500 lying around...

    2. Re:My submission by jamie · · Score: 1

      It wasn't your submission that was used. I shared it with the Slashdot author folks a few hours before you submitted. They penned their own writeup. :)

    3. Re:My submission by esocid · · Score: 1

      Ah ok. It disappeared from the stream, so I assumed they used it. Cheers.

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    4. Re:My submission by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Weird. Are you saying that your submission, which was apparently enqueued shortly after the submission by Soulskill, was removed from queue because it was a probable dupe?

      Let me reiterate: Are you saying Slashdot editors prevented a dupe?

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    5. Re:My submission by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Actually, it probably was published as a dup, but it was probably a week to a year later and he didn't notice it.

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  6. An expensive lesson... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Perhaps Andy Baio should have consulted a lawyer before publishing said work?
    Sheeesh.

    1. Re:An expensive lesson... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My lawyers and I firmly believe that the pixel art is "fair use" and Maisel and his counsel firmly disagree. I settled for one reason: this was the least expensive option available.

      Well?

  7. Sorry by hondo77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry but he's just wrong, IMHO. Slightly altering the photograph for a commercial venture, as he did, was not fair use. Even if he didn't stand to gain from it. Not even close. Just because he believes it was fair use does not make it so (the same could be said of my opinion, of course).

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    1. Re:Sorry by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      And by naming his post "Kind of Screwed", he's just "slightly altered" the name of the album, making that a derivative work as well.

      Do you have an argument for why a photographer has rights to this kind of extortion for a fifty year-old picture? Not the actual picture, mind you, but a version that's sooo pixelated that you wouldn't recognize it except with some external context?

    2. Re:Sorry by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, but it is not that pixelated. It has a long way to go before it would be pixelated to the point that it wouldn't be recognized for what it is and at that point, it would not serve the intended point to the person using it as the tribute cover art. It's like saying that "HOPE" version of Obama is different, because "you would never recognize it as the original photo, because the real Obama is not actually red and blue!".

      As to an argument for why the photographer has the rights for a fifty year old picture? Well, the argument is pretty simple, probably. The law says so. The image was taken in 1959 and copyright law says he has copyright on it for 95-120 years or his life plus 70 years, whichever comes first.

      As to an argument as to how that implementation of copyright law is just, I have no idea. There are reams of debate and justification written over the decision and I don't particularly agree with any of it or current copyright law, but it would seem to me that the photographer is entirely within his rights under the law.

    3. Re:Sorry by esocid · · Score: 2

      It was a hand made pixel art of a likeness of Miles Davis. It wasn't just run through a filter to make a blurry copy of the photograph. That's like saying Andy Warhol's soup can is in violation.

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    4. Re:Sorry by hedwards · · Score: 1

      "Kind of Screwed" would be protected under parody, assuming it needed protection as it's not subject to copyright protection and it isn't similar enough to "kind of blue" to have to worry about infringing upon any trademark that could exist.

      The pixelated version of the image though, doesn't fall under any reasonable category of fair use, he might have gotten away with it had the venture not been taking donations, but as it is, they were using somebody elses work for donations. And the manipulations they made to it weren't significant enough to qualify it for protection. And really, I don't see why it should have received protection as it's something that you can script Gimp to do without too much thought.

    5. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you have an argument for why a photographer has rights to this kind of extortion for a fifty year-old picture?

      The "fifty year" part is what gets me. We could argue all day long, until we're dead with exhaustion, about whether what he did constitutes fair use or not, whether it's legal or not, etc.

      However, reproductions of any work of art that's fifty years old, to me, should be in the public domain. That's the problem.

      Yes, making pixelated copies of a fifty-year old work of art should be ok. Sorry if it's not fair use. IP law sucks and needs to be torn down. It's fucking ridiculous.

    6. Re:Sorry by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      On what do you base that opinion on exactly? US fair use uses four factors to test whether a use is fair or not and commercial use is only one of the four factors. Not all factors need to be met to declare a use as fair. They are as follows:

      1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
      2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
      3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
      4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

      Now IANAL, but while the use was commercial (1), it was transformative as it only used some very vague shapes from the original image thus meeting (3), and also did not affect the market of the original image (4).

      In other words, this is almost certainly fair use. Think about it rationally, if this isn't fair use then what is?

    7. Re:Sorry by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      Add to that the notion that with this $32,5000 "settlement", never mind the ridiculous extortion amount claimed, is probably the most money that this picture has ever generated in its entire lifetime.

    8. Re:Sorry by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Let's leave the issue of the law aside for a moment and use sound moral judgment and common sense to decide how it ought to be.

      Oh, wait...

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    9. Re:Sorry by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      You know that the photographer must have been squealing with glee when he saw the opportunity to sue over it--not "violated" at all.

      It's just greed. And greed is evil.

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  8. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by Hatta · · Score: 3

    Because the US isn't interested in stopping frivolous lawsuits. This is the system working as intended. Giving lip service to fairness, while giving the rich and powerful a cudgel to punish anyone who actually tries to exercise their rights.

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  9. Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by DavidinAla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you take a photo that someone else owns and you run it through a Photoshop filter, that doesn't make it a different photo. Someone else still owns it. Period. It doesn't matter whether you like copyrights or not. It is insane to claim this case has anything to do with fair use. This is a blatant case of someone using a piece of art that he didn't own and just ASSUMING that the owner of the art wouldn't object. That was stupid. He was unlucky enough that the copyright owner asserted his correct legal rights. If Baio had taken the case to court, he would have lost -- 100 times out of 100. I don't care what his motives are. I don't care that he got correct legal permissions for the recordings. ALL of those things are irrelevant. You can't rip off art and use it the way you want if it's still under copyright. There isn't a fair use exception that will magically make it so.

    1. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 2
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_on_the_Internet

      On appeal, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals found in favor of the defendant. In reaching its decision, the court utilized the above-mentioned four-factor analysis. First, it found the purpose of creating the thumbnail images as previews to be sufficiently transformative, noting that they were not meant to be viewed at high resolution like the original artwork was. Second, the fact that the photographs had already been published diminished the significance of their nature as creative works. Third, although normally making a "full" replication of a copyrighted work may appear to violate copyright, here it was found to be reasonable and necessary in light of the intended use. Lastly, the court found that the market for the original photographs would not be substantially diminished by the creation of the thumbnails.

      RTFWiki

    2. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by esocid · · Score: 3, Insightful
      learn2read

      Before the project launched, I knew exactly what I wanted for the cover — a pixel art recreation of the original album cover, the only thing that made sense for an 8-bit tribute to Kind of Blue. I tried to draw it myself, but if you've ever attempted pixel art, you know how demanding it is. After several failed attempts, I asked a talented friend to do it.

      It was hand drawn.

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    3. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      RTFA - it's obviously not a photoshop filter. It was created by a professional:

      I tried to draw it myself, but if you've ever attempted pixel art, you know how demanding it is. After several failed attempts, I asked a talented friend to do it.

      Even if it was a direct copy, fair use could still apply. In fact, that's the main purpose of fair use - to allow the original, unmodified work to be reused without the authors permission, under certain circumstances. The fact that this is a modified, derivative work only helps Baio's case.

    4. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Someone else still owns it. Period. It doesn't matter whether you like copyrights or not. It is insane to claim this case has anything to do with fair use. This is a blatant case of someone using a piece of art that he didn't own and just ASSUMING that the owner of the art wouldn't object.

      It absolutely does depend on whether you like copyrights or not. If you don't like uber long copyrights, then this guy was in the right. If you _do_ like copyrights that last for multiple decades, growing to over a century, then this guy was in the wrong.

      It wasn't plagiarised (afaik), so it's entirely about copyright. Using a piece of art that you don't "own" is entirely 100% fine... apart from copyright.

      Fair use doesn't enter into this admittedly - fair use doesn't include commercial enterprises using copyrighted images for personal gain, funnily enough.

      Basically, my point is that it's _all_ about whether you like (long) copyrights or not. Using a random image that had been around for decades, and had been used elsewhere without problems, is probably a poor idea given our current legal framework, but I don't think it's wrong.

    5. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by eroded · · Score: 2

      It's actually not virtually identical. Pixel art takes a lot of time & skill to create a sharp, decent looking image with a limited amount of space & a limited palette. For example take a look at the tie. It took someone the time to recreate that particular pattern, which is different from the original yet looks sharp & punchy. It makes me wonder: if he altered the colours would that be enough of a change? I'd like to think so.

    6. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by idontgno · · Score: 1

      But we'll never know, will we? As it stands, the settlement is an implicit admission that the new album cover was close enough to the original to be an infringement. If someone really wanted to refute that, the time and place would have been in the course of an actual lawsuit in an actual court, with an actual opinion rendered by an actual judge establishing actual law. Until then, it's just pseudo-legal epeen waving and swarms of 5-year-olds arguing whose untested opinion best represents the "law as it should have been".

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    7. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by eroded · · Score: 1

      The photographer was asking for hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages. It would have been great of waxy to fight but it could have financially crippled him in the process. As it stands the law doesn't clearly define fair use or set any guidelines which is something we really do need to amend in this day & age.

    8. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Fair use doesn't enter into this admittedly - fair use doesn't include commercial enterprises using copyrighted images for personal gain, funnily enough.

      Yes it does. Any use may be a fair use, although not every use is necessarily a fair use. Although being a commercial use may weigh against the use being fair, that alone is not determinative.

      As it happens, there are lots of commercial fair uses; ever read Mad Magazine, for example?

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    9. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by idontgno · · Score: 1

      I have to assume the nature of Fair Use is by design. There are some guidelines, but in everything else, Congress has apparently decided to let the courts shape Fair Use case-by-case. If someone can persuade Congress to set some boundaries, more power to 'em, but I'm afraid everyone who has Congress' ear on this subject are more inclined to abolish Fair Use or carve it down to nothing by law than to fix reasonable boundaries, so forgive my lack of enthusiasm for that avenue of approach.

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    10. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      Nice to ignore the transformative nature of the argument. I can appreciate some of the elements of the Mona Lisa in a 320 x 240 reproduction, but it wouldn't be the same experience as viewing a high-res version. The same would apply for a still-copyrighted photograph (which would be covered under the ruling listed above). Now, how would you think that the artistic experience between an image and a pixelated version of it would be the same?

      Of course, you totally neglect the fact the the pixelated version was hand-drawn. You should take a little of your time and give Andy Warhol a stern talking to.

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    11. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

      Actually, Fonts are NOT copyrighted on the basis of their letter forms. It is perfectly legal to scan a font, and sell the reproduction.

      Font NAMES can be copyrighted, and digital data can be (and, by default, is).

      Not the actual letter forms.

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    12. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      learnthelaw

      It's recognizably the same work - thus it's a derivative work and not fair use. It uses the key colors, elements, proportions, and composition of the original work - thus is not a transformative work and not fair use.

      He was careful to license everything else, but he failed to license the artwork because he handwaved a "fair use" justification into place. He blew it and it cost him.

    13. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by westlake · · Score: 2

      It was hand drawn.

      Emanuel Ninger's impressionistic conterfeit $50 bills were hand drawn, one by one, rather than being engraved and printed.

      It was quite an achievement, but no less illegal.

      When your stated intent is to recreate the original album art as best you can, the tech you use no longer matters.

    14. Re:Sorry, but this was NOT fair use by zeroshade · · Score: 1

      Except the intent was not to recreate the original album art, the intent was to create a transformed version of the album art with a stylistic difference. It is sufficiently different that it is transformative and therefore fair use.

  10. Confused about what? by topham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read that earlier today. I don't understand why he's confused.

    He failed to license the image, which he should have attempted to do. He felt it was necessary to license everything else, how is it the cover art should be treated as less than the rest of the work?

    The nature of the work was not an artistic piece shown to an audience, it was a commercial venture with (likely) zero profit. Do I think it may have had artistic merit? Sure. Had it been presented in an art gallery with the music playing in front of the image in question then perhaps it would have easily fit into fair use.

    But as a CD available at a price? It's a commercial venture and requires licensing.

    1. Re:Confused about what? by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Agreed. When I first saw the writeup, my thought was "how is this fair use?". It is the same original photo, but pixelated and while it's essentially an impression of a public figure, it is not a political figure and it is an impression directly based on someone else's work of that figure. He shows a list of photos of increasing pixelation at the end of the article and asks "at what point does this become acceptable?". Well, I would say the last four photographs would have been acceptable. Everything above that is about the same as taking any other copyrighted photo and applying the "charcoal" filter in photoshop and nothing more.

      As for artistic value . . . I'm not sure that it being on a canvas on a wall in an art gallery where someone could offer you $500 for it is any different than putting it on the cover of an album of tributes and selling *that*. If one is wrong, then both are. Both are "artistic" as well as commercial (art is rarely done merely for art's sake).

      The question is whether there were chances to deal with this much earlier? It seems that a rational person might have said "please stop doing this" and that would have been it. Taking it as far as tens of thousands of dollars in compensation seems a little unfair and money-grubbing. It's not like it was used on some corporate billboard somewhere.

    2. Re:Confused about what? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      The question is whether there were chances to deal with this much earlier? It seems that a rational person might have said "please stop doing this" and that would have been it.

      Why would a "rational person" not seek recompense when his rights are violated and that's the remedy provided under the law?
       

      Taking it as far as tens of thousands of dollars in compensation seems a little unfair and money-grubbing. It's not like it was used on some corporate billboard somewhere.

      As you said, one is not different from the other - both are wrong. Why apply unequal standards to the same wrong?

    3. Re:Confused about what? by Homburg · · Score: 1

      He felt it was necessary to license everything else, how is it the cover art should be treated as less than the rest of the work?

      This confused me two, but I can think of a reason why he might have thought there was a difference. With music, you have both composition and performance rights - chiptune versions of Miles Davis songs are, I guess, much like any other cover version, in that they are derivative works of the composition, but not of the original performance. Perhaps the musician here thought that a photo was like a performance, with no equivalent to the composition rights, so that a re-creation of the same (or a similar) image wouldn't be subject to copyright, where a copy of the actual photograph itself would be.

    4. Re:Confused about what? by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Because the law provides for immoral recompense for unreasonable rights. Because he, out of greed, used the courts to extort money from a man who couldn't afford a defense.

      It may have been rational, but it was still wrong.

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  11. Get the last laugh by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    Pay the copyright holder with bitcoins.

    1. Re:Get the last laugh by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      Since they're not considered legal tender, unless the copyright holder is willing to accept them, paying a legal debt with bitcoins would not cause the debt to be considered fulfilled.

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    2. Re:Get the last laugh by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      On slashdot sometimes it's hard to tell...

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  12. You can help: BUY THE ALBUM. by neiras · · Score: 2

    Seriously, whether you like chiptune or not, the FLAC version is $5 and the MP3 even less. Help the man out.

    1. Re:You can help: BUY THE ALBUM. by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Help him out? When he won't even acknowledge that he ripped off the other artist's work? Why reduce the pain for someone who's that obnoxious?

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    2. Re:You can help: BUY THE ALBUM. by neiras · · Score: 1

      The guy produced an interesting album, then got caught up in a legal battle over cover art. I am not defending his misunderstanding of fair use - he clearly doesn't get it. Still, lot of good work went into the music; it would be sad if the whole project were tainted by the issue.

      The legal system will do its job on the cover art issue, but the album is still worth buying. Artists that actually produce notable works deserve encouragement, even when they screw up. They aren't lawyers or copyright wonks.

    3. Re:You can help: BUY THE ALBUM. by acid06 · · Score: 1

      I would buy it if Amazon would accept my non-US money.
      Maybe I'll just pirate it instead, since he won't accept my money...

  13. Not fair use by LS1+Brains · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IANAL, but as others have mentioned, he's attempting to profit from a work he didn't create. That does not seem like it could ever fall under fair use. Just because one can make a 5 second tweak to an image in Photoshop, using the original work someone else created, doesn't make it a new piece of work. He should have contacted the photo copyright holder up front just like he did with the music copyright holders. There is a direct correlation between the modification of works, but for whatever reason he feels the images are free, but the music is not? Perhaps that is only because we have the MAFIAA/RIAA to "thank" by putting the punishments for such actions prominently in our minds with all their deplorable legal shotgun tactics.

    Reading the article, he more or less lays out why he settled - he figured out he was indeed in the wrong. The Doors album cover recreated with Rubix cubes on a street is (to me) plainly a new work, while based on an existing work. Simply reducing the resolution of a work and using it for the same purpose (a commercial album cover), is (to me) obviously not a new work. The other examples given could be argued separately, and no info is given on whether rights or permission were sought in each case, etc.

    1. Re:Not fair use by ZJ+AJ · · Score: 1

      Reading the article, he more or less lays out why he settled - he figured out he was indeed in the wrong.

      That's not how I read it. From the article:

      "But this is important: the fact that I settled is not an admission of guilt. My lawyers and I firmly believe that the pixel art is "fair use" and Maisel and his counsel firmly disagree. I settled for one reason: this was the least expensive option available."

      How does that translate to "he figured out he was indeed in the wrong?"

      IANAL, but especially considering that the nature of the transformation spoke directly to the nature of the product it was attached to, I think there's a legitimate argument to be made that this could have been fair use. Certainly the commercial nature of it mitigates that legitimacy, but it doesn't totally undermine it.

    2. Re:Not fair use by LS1+Brains · · Score: 2

      I took that as "I'm trying to cover my butt, and my lawyers told me I can't win this one. Further, I understand it could be even more damaging to admit any guilt." Admittedly a bit of reading between the lines, but human nature isn't to come out and say "I goofed up, so I paid the guy." Look at how other entities handle cases that settle out of court. NOBODY ever offers an admission of guilt after the fact, and anything in print firmly states just that. A suit could probably offer a better explanation of the "why" on that one, perhaps it opens the door for future legal problems.

    3. Re:Not fair use by eroded · · Score: 1

      As I pointed out in another reply

      "It's actually not identical [or produced by a Photoshop Filter]. Pixel art takes a lot of time & skill to create a sharp, decent looking image with a limited amount of space & a limited palette. For example take a look at the tie. It took someone the time to recreate that particular pattern, which is different from the original yet looks sharp & punchy."

      He has a good case for fair use but the line is so fine that he has a reason to be worried about the courts ability to make a sane ruling.

    4. Re:Not fair use by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but as others have mentioned, he's attempting to profit from a work he didn't create. That does not seem like it could ever fall under fair use.

      It routinely does, as it happens. Usually fair use involves people making use of copyrighted works which they did not create, and making a profit from the use, while not really helping claims of fair use any, is not at all fatal. If the use tended to act as a substitute (e.g. people start buying the pixellated album cover instead of the original) that's pretty bad, but the mere fact that the new album is for sale is only a very mild strike against the later user.

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    5. Re:Not fair use by Toonol · · Score: 1

      he more or less lays out why he settled - he figured out he was indeed in the wrong.

      'But this is important: the fact that I settled is not an admission of guilt. My lawyers and I firmly believe that the pixel art is "fair use" and Maisel and his counsel firmly disagree. I settled for one reason: this was the least expensive option available.'


      Oddly, you quoted the piece from the article that directly refutes what you're claiming. You'd be fun to debate.

    6. Re:Not fair use by camperdave · · Score: 1

      When does a work such as this become public domain? The album Kind of Blue came out on August 17, 1959, which means that the album cover photo was taken before. At that time copyright durations were 28 years. If the copyright holder did not include a copyright notice, the work became public domain automatically. We can presume that the album had the appropriate copyright notices. The copyright holder had to renew the copyright at the end of that term (1987) or the copyright would expire and the work would end up in the public domain. Now, according to this site, Jay Maisel did submit a copyright for a work called Miles Davis Portrait (described as "'Miles Davis kind of blue' record album cover") but that was in 2005. At that point, the photo would have been in the public domain for 18 years. From what I can tell, the work is in the public domain, and Andy Baio should be in the clear.

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  14. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by jd · · Score: 1

    Given that the US appears to have a lawsuit-based economy, requiring cases to be sensible might push it further into recession. The UK is interesting in that in a few court cases, the judge has decided both parties to be in the wrong and split costs between them in proportion to their wrongness. I like the concept, as I dislike the absolutism involved in assigning one side absolute responsibility with no regard to how the responsiblity actually divides out. However, in a day and age where clear-cut rules and fixed, uniform penalties are the in-thing, it's not obvious how you'd codify such a scheme to meet modern sensibilities.

    Also, other nations also have modest (though not great) legal aid schemes to ensure that defendents can actually afford to defend. This could (and probably should) be improved such that the state actively safeguards its citizenry against lawsuit trolls (if the costs are going to be reclaimed anyway, what's the cost to the state for doing this?) but that's not currently what is done anywhere as far as I know.

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  15. The problem is the system, not the case by makubesu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am not an anarchist, but cases like this make me sympathize with them. Look at how this system is corrupting men. As the writer rightly notes, it's not about whether the image falls under fair use. Indeed, given that the writer specifically went and got permission to use the make the music eight-bit, it seems inconsistent that he should not also ask permission to use the cover art. But this is all beside the point. The main question is why did the photographer sue him for such a ridiculous amount of money, or any money at all?

    There are two explanations: greed and pride. Greed is caused by the system. He would consider a reasonable amount for the penalty, but he knows that he can sue for more, and knows that suing for more will get him a better deal out of the settlement. Even a good man cannot resist the temptation to sue for more money. The system has corrupted him. Pride too is caused by the system. Because of the system, the photographer has an inflated view of his ownership of the image. How dare this artist not come on his knees and beg for permission to use my artwork. Thus, instead of happily agreeing to let him use the image, he feels he must use the full force of the law.

    We see then that the law has taken on a life of its own, and begun to corrupt the society it claimed it would protect. For the protection of our own morality, we should put an end to this.

    1. Re:The problem is the system, not the case by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      One major point you missed; the photographer was never asked, on bended knee or not, for permission to use the photograph.

      Another reasonable explanation is self preservation. A photographer makes his living by selling photographs and rights to photographs. If a photographer does not defend those rights by lawsuits then those rights go away. Photographs do not become public domain just because they are published.

      In my opinion this is a specially clear cut case. Using a slightly modified version of a well known album cover without permission to sell an album of similar music is clearly not fair use. This is where the issue comes in and law suits occur. Opinions differ and only courts decide who is right. Sure they licensed the songs but they didn't license the cover art.

      All lawsuits start with a threat of maximum damages as per statutes. It is the beginning bargaining position. The fact that it was settled for $32.5K means that the lawyer got most of it and very little went to the photographer.

    2. Re:The problem is the system, not the case by zeroshade · · Score: 1

      If a photographer does not defend those rights by lawsuits then those rights go away.

      Copyright is not a trademark. You do not have to defend it or lose it. Copyright does not work that way.

    3. Re:The problem is the system, not the case by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Noteworthy fallacies:

      Strawman argument

      False dilemma

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    4. Re:The problem is the system, not the case by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      technically you are correct though if one allows a copyright items to be used it is much more difficult to get a good judgment when you want one. The question a copyright holder does not want to answer in a court of law is "You didn't sue him; why are you suing me? Why are you discriminating against me". The holder may win the case but the award will probably be much lower.

    5. Re:The problem is the system, not the case by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Why should artistic works have a limit on their ability to provide income to the artist? Just because it is reproducible does not mean it should be of no value. There are great photographers such as Ansel Adams whose books sell quite well today. Why should someone be able to copy his works and make money from them?

  16. It is an either way thing by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It looks to me like a derivative work. It's a verbatim copy, and not just something included incidentally,

    It's not some ingenious reinterpretation of the original artwork, using the original purely for reference. To a casual observer, it's pretty much the same image without any new creativity being added. It's not being used as a commentary on the original, or an enhancement. Just a slightly modified version apparently chosen in order to benefit from the similarities to the original, while avoiding the requirement to pay a royalty.

    He was right to settle. It could very easily have gone against him.

    1. Re:It is an either way thing by Seumas · · Score: 1

      It would seem to me that if it were classified as fair use, then one could use any photograph for any purpose they like, as long as they save it as a 256 or 64 or 32 color GIF. That is, essentially, what is being done in this depiction, visually.

    2. Re:It is an either way thing by I(rispee_I(reme · · Score: 2

      While it may appear to be a simple downsampling of the source image, I'm fairly certain that each pixel in this image was hand-placed, as that is considered a requirement for "pixel art".

      I'm uncertain if that makes a difference... but if such is the case, none of the pixels in the alleged "derivative work" were copied from the original work, nor were they derived from the original work via software such as an image processing filter or a "save as" command.

      It is likely that such a fine subtlety would have escaped the technological philistines that populate the U.S. court system, which results in justice being short-circuited by "settling".

  17. original cover also used by slshwtw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In their demand letter, they alleged that I was infringing on Maisel's copyright by using the illustration on the album and elsewhere, as well as using the original cover in a "thank you" video I made for the album's release.

    Even if you agree that the pixelated version of the album cover was fair use (I don't), his case would have been damaged by the fact that he used the original cover elsewhere.

    1. Re:original cover also used by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It depends on how he used it in that video (it doesn't appear to be available anymore). If it was used as just a portion of the video, I actually see a stronger case for that being fair use, than for the pixel-art version. The pixel-art version is arguably using a derivative work of the original image in a straightforward commercial use, as the cover art of a new album. Displaying a photograph of the original album as one part of a video about the release of a tribute to the album seems much more like commentary. For example, if I make a documentary about Miles Davis, it is not copyright infringement for me to display the cover art of Miles Davis's albums within my documentary--- but it would be more problematic if I used one of them as the cover art of my documentary.

      Hard to say without seeing it, though.

  18. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by cfulmer · · Score: 2

    For copyright cases, we pretty much have loser pays. See 17 U.S.C. 505: "In any civil action under this title, the court in its discretion may allow the recovery of full costs by or against any party other than the United States or an officer thereof. Except as otherwise provided by this title, the court may also award a reasonable attorney’s fee to the prevailing party as part of the costs."

  19. There is a simple solution by hamburgler007 · · Score: 1

    Award treble damages to the defendant for the cost of defense. There will be lawyers lining up to take on these cases. (this will never happen)

  20. Fair use? It's a myth! by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    This isn't consistently applied in the US. Might as well get rid of it.

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  21. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by Toonol · · Score: 1

    I think a modified version is preferable: Loser pays, up to the amount that the loser themselves paid.

    For example, if a company spent a million dollars suing me, and I spent $10,000 defending, I would be on the hook for $10,000 of their legal bill if I lost. If I won, they would be on the hook for $10,000 of mine.

    Game theory-wise, this would incent people to spend approximately equivalent amounts on lawyers, which is a good thing.

  22. Re:Andy Warhol by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

    All I can say is that I'm glad public libraries were set up before modern times, because today the concept would be shot down instantly.

  23. Re:Same deal for sexual harassment by LoganDzwon · · Score: 1

    I think settlements should be illegal.

    You should sue!

  24. "chilling effect" - what a sad statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "the result is a chilling effect for every independent artist hoping to build upon or reference copyrighted works..."

    Because, hey, what we really need isn't to respect or promote new creative ideas but rehashes, reshaping of others. Lots of people can play Miles, some people can improvise around it or recast it, but who is the next Miles?

    It's a sad state when we equate the application of a photoshop filter to an image or replaying a song on computer chips to the talent required to create the original.

    Shrug. Moochers in full force with tears.

    1. Re:"chilling effect" - what a sad statement by Homburg · · Score: 1

      You're talking about jazz here, an art form that is build around the continual re-interpretation of standards. If the jazz tradition doesn't prove that "rehashes, reshaping of others" is creative, I don't know what does.

  25. Re:First sentence by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    How can you fucking own a photo? You can own prints of it, not all renditions forever and ever and ever.

    I'll bet you have a pretty active BitTorrent client at home, right?

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  26. Why license music and claim fair use for cover?? by djpretzel · · Score: 1

    http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?p=790254#790254 "In my opinion, the album art was not particularly more or less transformative than the music on the album. If the intent was commercial sale, and the music was licensed to be above board, as mentioned, the album art probably should have been treated the same way, right? I'm not saying the photographer's not being a douche, or that the sums asked for weren't inappropriate, or anything of that regard, I'm just saying, if you look at the album as comprised of two elements - the music, and the cover - the first was licensed for commercial sale, and the second was not, so if you make a fair use argument for the cover... why not the music as well? If you acknowledge that the music needed to be licensed in the first place, and hence did NOT fall under fair use, it seems odd to make the opposite argument for the album art. That's my only real point, but I feel it's worth making, because it seems like music is often treated very differently (MORE scrutiny & copyright concern) than images. My favorite example that hits close to home is video game fan art vs. video game fan mixes. Peeps been submitting drawings of Mario, Zelda, etc. to EGM before the Internet took over, but the second mixes became a thing, everyone was VERY concerned w/ copyright issues. Again, no hate. We talk about fair use a lot here, it's relevant to us, and I'm pretty sure all of us read this article as a damn unfortunate thing happening to a good person. It's just... that doesn't make him right about the law, or fair use, and I just thought the inconsistency between the music being licensed and the image not was worth mentioning."

  27. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    It helps because, if it's a bullshit lawsuit, the defendant will have no problem finding a lawyer willing to work on contingency (because the lawyer knows that if he wins or the case is thrown out, the plaintiff company will be forced to pay him). As it is now, if you get sued and don't have the money to hire a lawyer, you're pretty much fucked, even if the lawsuit is complete bullshit.

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  28. The copyright holder can refuse them by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    In the US, the only currency you are required to accept to satisfy a debt is US Dollars. You can choose to accept other currency, trade, whatever if you like but you are only required to accept dollars.

    That is the meaning of the phrase "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private." If you owe someone a debt, be it a person, company, or the government, they are required to take USD to satisfy that debt. They cannot demand payment in another currency, or demand you do something instead.

    However the corollary of that is that is ALL they are required to accept. You can't be a smartass and pay in something else and say "You have to take it!"

  29. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by scot4875 · · Score: 1

    Except from the sounds of it, this wasn't some rich and powerful entity cudgeling the little guy -- it was some douchebag photographer with a vastly overinflated need to protect his work.

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  30. Here's where he went wrong by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    My lawyers and I firmly believe that the pixel art is "fair use" and Maisel and his counsel firmly disagree. I settled for one reason: this was the least expensive option available.

    No. The least expensive option is to not pay money to a lawyer in order to hear that you should pay more money to more lawyers.

    If you think you're right, represent yourself, explain that you can't afford council, and the court will bend over backwards to help you with the procedurals.

    Or - here's a thought - just ignore the case. Get on with your life. Eventually, a warranted bailiff may - may - turn up at your door. At that point, if you've got less than $32K-and-change in seizable assets on hand, well, it still works out cheaper than paying a lawyer to hand over that amount of cash up front.

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  31. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

    But what if your lawsuit isn't bullshit but you happen to be going against someone who can afford the army of lawyers to defeat you? How is that fair? All something like that will do is making it so only the rich and powerful can ever afford to sue anyone.

  32. Copyright abolishment status quo by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    I believe more and more as time goes by that the idea of copyright is fundamentally broken and that the world would be better off if it were abolished entirely. Perhaps a more ideal solution would be copyright reform, but if the options were abolishment or status quo, I'd vote for abolishment.

    I honestly believe that the very notion of copyright is hypocritical, because it is truly impossible to create anything truly original--everything one can think of and create is partially based on and influenced by existing works and ideas. If an author is unwilling to credit and compensate those who influenced and inspired his ideas and works, then for him to require others who are influenced and inspired by his works to do so is simply hypocritical--and I have no sympathy for hypocrites. "Do as I say, not as I do" is basically evil.

    The examples he gave are well-chosen. For the Obama poster, the only person in the world who should even have a shred of a right to complain is Obama himself, because it's his face. The idea that pressing a shutter button over and over again in a press conference entitles a photographer to have a say in how someone else's face is used in other works is absurd--it's purely based on greed. The same goes for the photo he used: that photo of Davis is, what, over 50 years old, and the photographer feels "violated"? The only person who should have any right to feel violated is Miles Davis, because it's his face--but he's dead! Maisel is simply full of greed, selfishness, and pride--none of which I have sympathy for. A real artist would be pleased to see his work so acclaimed that it was replicated and reused and built upon, seen by more and more people. Someday he will pass on as Davis did and as we all do, and then it will matter nothing. Eventually his photo and all copies of it will cease to exist as well, just like the whole world will, and then it will matter nothing. What will matter is how he treated other people during his life, and in this case, it was not well.

    Maisel's lawyers should also be ashamed of their evil greed and bullying--but that's not news, is it?

    I suspect that in 50-100 years we'll either have technically-enforced copyright laws or no copyrights at all. The alternative seems to be an ever-increasing number and complexity of laws, cases, and lawsuits, and the gradual grinding-to-a-halt of creativity--except, perhaps, by "authorized" corporations who have legal armies and enormous profits, who either negotiate blanket licenses or rely on MAD to prevent litigious apocalypse.

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  33. Right on, brother by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    You are the man. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it this way.

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  34. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    Does that actually happen most of the time, or is it just an option?

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  35. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by Golddess · · Score: 1

    I can imagine people hiring the cheapest lawyer possible because, hey, even if I lose, I'm only paying a couple grand.

    And what about people who choose to represent themselves?

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  36. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by gerddie · · Score: 1

    I can imagine people hiring the cheapest lawyer possible because, hey, even if I lose, I'm only paying a couple grand. And what about people who choose to represent themselves?

    What you forget that this is only about the court costs and not about the penalty. If you lose you will still have to pay whatever penalty the court decides.

  37. Mod parent up by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    Someone, please.

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  38. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by Golddess · · Score: 1

    What you forget that this is only about the court costs and not about the penalty.

    While not apparent to me the first time I read it, upon re-reading Toonol's post, I suppose that could be what they meant with their suggestion.

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  39. Re:$32,500?!! by Xacid · · Score: 1

    SAME FUCKING THING I was wondering. I don't have 32k to piss away in lawsuits. That's insanity given the scale of the "offense". Wtf is wrong with people?

  40. WTF? by black+soap · · Score: 1

    Also: just think of all the lawsuits over pixellated versions of The White Album cover?

  41. Re:This is why the loser should pay court costs by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    If your case has merit, and you stand a good chance of winning money, you'll have no problem finding lawyers (they'll gladly work on contingency if they see money at the end of the tunnel). The problem comes when your case has merit, but you stand no chance of winning any money (i.e., when you're a defendant in a U.S. lawsuit).

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